Marinelli and his 1 Tech

[Verdict]

I don'r think MCollins is used ony as a run stopper he did get 5 plus sacks.
We could use more talent on the D/line. I assume thats on the way.
Marinelli's sysytem works fine.His done a tremendous coaching job with the players his handed.

Collins most likely got his sacks at the "3".

 

[Verdict]

Wilfork and Poe really play the 3-4. And both are incredible athletes at that size that can penetrate.

I don't think this aspect of the game has passed Marinelli bye. I think the game plays more to what Marinelli has always done. Teams run less these days so you need a pass rusher instead of a run clogger. WE just don't have that superior talent at either the 3-tech or the 1-tech. But the DE's don't beat their guys either, so it's easier to pinch the A-gap and stop the DT's on the pass rush.

YR

While your post is a reasonable interpretation of the facts, I do not think it is accurate, since Marinelli himself has said that he prefers smaller quick twitch athletes, not behemoths who can collapse the pocket. Both Wilfork and Poe could easily do that in a 4-3 defense at the 1 tech. Marinelli has gone on record as saying the guys he has are good enough and that was before the draft speech, not politically motivated after the draft commentary. Based on Marinelli's own statements I think it is fair to question his mindset, scheme and method.

 

[Verdict]

I know some think Collins is a "solution", but I think his production was a little overstated. To me, he looks like a rotational player, not a cornerstone. At least in terms of what this defense expects from the 3-T role.

I am very ready for Marinelli to move along and perhaps we get a more aggressive defense that is capable of multiple looks.

I think Collins will get even better as he was only a rookie. I am open to the possibility that coaching is part of our problem. since our dbs played much better this year which was probably due to a change in coaching.

 

[Zman5]

How is it a prevent defense when we got 2 sacks in the 4th QTR on safety blitzes and outscored GB by 11 points in the quarter?

I think he's talking about the last play of the game where we only rushed 3 and dropped everyone else into coverage.

 

[Zman5]

Big DT/NT is not needed to have a good pass rush. Wade Phillips usually prefers quick smaller NT for his defense. In fact, we lead the league in sacks and were good pass rushing team with Ratliff only weighing around 280LBS at NT.

 

[BAT]

Any DT not 320 plus plays small against the run. Aaron Donald isn't exactly Damon Harrison

Thats why Aaron Donald plays 3 tech. But it's interesting to note that 280 lbs Irving got more looks than 310 lbs Collins at 1 tech.

 

[DandyDon52]

We need so many new players on defense, maybe it's time to bring in a new DC so that he can build his unit from the ground up. We need somebody that will advocate for talent rather than someone that hides behind the fact that he's asked for none.

there you go !
also marinelli gets the players and uses them how he sees fit, and it is his schemes and play calling, and it was his subs that rodgers
caught late off the field.
I now think we could have played atlanta a better game than GB did.
I Think we probably lose due to our coaches though.
Dallas has a lot of good players, but the coaching and game plans etc, make it hard for them to excel.
But we are stuck with the ones we have, unless one of them wants to leave for another job.

Coaches are like players, and when better coaches become available jerry should go after them, just like he would a player.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Why not Collins at 1-tech and Crawford at 3-tech? Collins is the biggest DT on the roster.

Collins is natural 3 Tech and the best on our roster. He has the ability to be a Geno Atkins level player at the 3 which is the most catalytic spot on the line in our line scheme.

Personally I rather pair him with Thornton and play Crawford at DE on run downs and 1 Tech on passing downs. Crawford is a decent but not great rusher, and I'd rather have someone better the most critical spot on the line

 

[stilltheguru88]

Thats why Aaron Donald plays 3 tech. But it's interesting to note that 280 lbs Irving got more looks than 310 lbs Collins at 1 tech.

And Irving wasn't good there either. McClain was good there and we need a Benie Logan to be there

 

[camaro69]

I like Kawann Short.

Me too, I hear a lot of fans saying lets trade for a DE? is there a team that has a surplus of young 10 plus sacks a game DE just sitting on the bench! I
I also like the Addison as a free agent DE

 

[Chuck 54]

Thornton and Irving can both play the 1....keep Collins and Crawford at 3.....not sure what happens regarding resigning McClain.

 

[xwalker]

While your post is a reasonable interpretation of the facts, I do not think it is accurate, since Marinelli himself has said that he prefers smaller quick twitch athletes, not behemoths who can collapse the pocket. Both Wilfork and Poe could easily do that in a 4-3 defense at the 1 tech. Marinelli has gone on record as saying the guys he has are good enough and that was before the draft speech, not politically motivated after the draft commentary. Based on Marinelli's own statements I think it is fair to question his mindset, scheme and method.

Poe is a freak athlete. I think he would be great in Marinelli's defense.

Dontari Poe
6-4, 346
Forty: 4.98
Ten: 1.69

Here is a comparison to some NFL penetrating type DLinemen. All players weighed under 300 when
this times were measured except Poe at 346.

Ten Yard Times:
Nick Fairley 1.75
Sheldon Richardson 1.75
Geno Atkins 1.75
Dontari Poe 1.69
Fletcher Cox 1.66
Aaron DOnald 1.63

Kawaan Short (Ten not listed, but 5.08 forty compared to Poe's 4.98 forty)

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Poe is a freak athlete that would do well in any defense, when healthy.

I also worry about Poe's back. He's listed at 346 but probably hasn't seen that number since the combine. I doubt he can see his feet when he ties his shoes. Big guys with bad backs scare me. As a NT it's a recipe for disaster. Poe will get a 5-year deal from someone and will be lucky to play in 40 of those 80 games.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

"Has the game passed him by?" It's interesting, I recall threads upon threads on this very board, over the years. The interesting part was that it was not about Defense but about Offense instead. Don't get me wrong, there have been plenty of threads on Defense as well, as evidenced by this very thread but the point I would make is that those discussion on Offense were those who believed in the Run Game and those who felt like we just needed to continue forward and improve our passing game and just kinda ignore the Run Game. The thought process was that the Modern NFL has made the Run Game obsolete. Well, I think that the past few seasons, certainly this past season, has kinda put that to rest.

The point I am trying to make is that things don't really "Pass you by" in the NFL. At least not the staples of the game. What happens is that they come back around. I've said it many a time, the NFL is a copycat league. Organizations kinda follow like sheep, if you will. One team has success with something and the next year or two, everybody is trying to do it. Marinelli hasn't gotten more stupid over the years. His Defensive philosophy is not inferior. It can still be effective and even dominating, if it has the right personnel. This defense struggles because we have no ability to generate pressure. What we really need is pressure off the edge. If we have that, then all of a sudden, the interior play becomes much more effective IMO. We've had really good DTs over the years but we really haven't had a guy you need to account for off the edge since DWare. We need that guy IMO. We don't need to get rid of Marinelli.

JMO

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So it is like our line with Vic Beasley.

The Cowboy DT's are better.

 

[CF74]

Poe is a freak athlete that would do well in any defense, when healthy.

I also worry about Poe's back. He's listed at 346 but probably hasn't seen that number since the combine. I doubt he can see his feet when he ties his shoes. Big guys with bad backs scare me. As a NT it's a recipe for disaster. Poe will get a 5-year deal from someone and will be lucky to play in 40 of those 80 games.

Yikes!!! Buyer beware. Had no idea dude has back issues..

 

[mahoneybill]

The Falcons only rushed 4 but they were in Rogers face the whole game. It makes a difference when you only have 2.5 seconds to make a play versus 7 seconds. The reason we had better play in the second half was we started to play press defense against the receivers. The Falcons played 5 secondary the whole game. Again, A good pass rush up the middle is worth a dozen 1st round picks in the secondary.

Also they tied up the lineman with Lineman, and blitzed at times with secondary people..... Just like us when we got home against him

 

[Kaiser]

The point I am trying to make is that things don't really "Pass you by" in the NFL.

Exactly, the game passed by Linehan until we drafted Zeke and Dak Prescott. Then he was a genius again.