Marinelli to take over as DC

Risen Star said:
I would react the same. It would be another sign of how insane the owner is.
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Exactly. We would be laughing at the dysfunction, pointing out all the ways it was a typical Snyder move, making fun of their fans for defending it.

Edit: Perhaps some of us would be pointing out that it *could* work because it isn't totally crazy but in all likelihood it was bound to flop.
 
Snyder went out and hired the Awesome OC from Cincinati ... Jay Gruden ... oh wait
 
Idgit said:
The problem in WAS hasn't really been the coaches, either. Their problem is higher up.
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OMG. The irony is strong in this post.

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Do you not at least recognize the possibility that that could be the problem here as well?
 
Risen Star said:
Assistant head coach/defense.

I'll let you figure it out or you could just chalk it up as "Jerry Jones".
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Right in line with 'official play caller". What the.......?

Churn jerry, churn! You'll find that(your) way
 
fanfromvirginia said:
OMG. The irony is strong in this post.

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Do you not at least recognize the possibility that that could be the problem here as well?
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I'm not sure why I have the reputation for defending Jerry Jones. Sure, I'll go to bat for him when someone claims he causes cancer or global warming, or whatever, but he's clearly been a dysfunctional force in the organization here from the moment he bought the team.

But that situation is never going to change until he's dead, so the interesting question really is 'how do we get a competitive team with Jerry as the owner/GM.' The answer to that might be 'we don't,' but, short of that, we need to have the right coach who can steer the team despite Jerry's interference and build a culture and provide a stable platform for multiple drafts while we clean up the cap. I'm in the distinct minority, but I think that person is Jason Garrett. If it's not, I don't have the foggiest clue who it might be, instead.
 
Idgit said:
I'm not sure why I have the reputation for defending Jerry Jones. Sure, I'll go to bat for him when someone claims he causes cancer or global warming, or whatever, but he's clearly been a dysfunctional force in the organization here from the moment he bought the team.

But that situation is never going to change until he's dead, so the interesting question really is 'how do we get a competitive team with Jerry as the owner/GM.' The answer to that might be 'we don't,' but, short of that, we need to have the right coach who can steer the team despite Jerry's interference and build a culture and provide a stable platform for multiple drafts while we clean up the cap. I'm in the distinct minority, but I think that person is Jason Garrett. If it's not, I don't have the foggiest clue who it might be, instead.
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I was once in JG's corner. I just don't see much evidence that JG will every be any good as a HC anymore. He remains intelligent. He didn't all of a sudden become stupid. But it doesn't show up on gameday, so what good is it? His week-to-week management of the team used to be promising but part of managing a team well from week to week is having them ready to play well at the end of the year. He has yet to show he can do that.

These moves, to me, very much look like typical Jerry and, honestly, you have that reputation because you much more often than not immediately (seemingly instinctively) defend his moves, as you're doing here. Of course, others instinctively deride them.

I completely understand that this might work. I also substantively understand, if it winds up working, why it would. But, overall, this looks much more like another Jerry-derived Rube Goldberg contraption than a cunning move that will pay dividends.
 
The move on defense doesn't bother me at all. Marinelli and Kiffen are a team and have been for a long time. Marinelli wants Kiffen around as a consultant/friend and/or is unwilling to take the job if Kiffen has to be fired. I doubt very much that there's tension between them, and since there's no salary cap for coaching staffs, what do I care?

Now the offensive side? That's just weird.
 
Alexander said:
He takes the speaker on the headset down and then spits. That is more impressive.
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It's those subtle nuances that you don't really appreciate until it's pointed out to you.

Props. What a pro...
 
jimnabby said:
The move on defense doesn't bother me at all. Marinelli and Kiffen are a team and have been for a long time. Marinelli wants Kiffen around as a consultant/friend and/or is unwilling to take the job if Kiffen has to be fired. I doubt very much that there's tension between them, and since there's no salary cap for coaching staffs, what do I care?

Now the offensive side? That's just weird.
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That's a fair assessment.
 
Isn't Kiffin the one that trained Marinelli? Why would you promote Marinelli over him?
 
fanfromvirginia said:
I was once in JG's corner. I just don't see much evidence that JG will every be any good as a HC anymore. He remains intelligent. He didn't all of a sudden become stupid. But it doesn't show up on gameday, so what good is it? His week-to-week management of the team used to be promising but part of managing a team well from week to week is having them ready to play well at the end of the year. He has yet to show he can do that.

These moves, to me, very much look like typical Jerry and, honestly, you have that reputation because you much more often than not immediately (seemingly instinctively) defend his moves, as you're doing here. Of course, others instinctively deride them.

I completely understand that this might work. I also substantively understand, if it winds up working, why it would. But, overall, this looks much more like another Jerry-derived Rube Goldberg contraption than a cunning move that will pay dividends.
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It's impossible to say what's Jerry and what's Jason, honestly. This looks like Jason on offense, and what's most-likely a part of a strange scaled plan on defense.

As to the Jerry stuff, the thing is, of the things Jerry's criticized for, probably a quarter to a third of the things are made up, unsourced rumors, or never happen at all for any of a variety of reasons (Houston Nutt, trading up for Manziel, whatever). Another 50% are either middling moves or solid moves or even, sometimes, great moves that are simple second guessed because Jerry's involved in any shape or fashion whatsoever. Adding Scott Linehan to the offensive staff is a perfect example of this. There's no actual reason for anybody to be disappointed about that particular move, but, you get what we have here today, which is a failure to keep the hiring of an experienced offensive coach in any sort of useful perspective. I'd stick up for Jerry, or Jason, or the organization in general for any and all of the sorts of complaints that fall into those first two categories. And rightly so.

The third category is just dumb, bad, weird, or unnecessary moves. You can throw drunken interviews in, as well. I'm all on board with the criticism for those. There's a lot of it, and it's warranted. Taking play calling from Jason and announcing it publicly instead of letting the coach handle it. Ousting Rob to hire Kiffin (probably Jerry, maybe not). Not sticking to his draft board and trading down in the first round with a top-5 player on your board. etc, etc.

The reality is, we're really not that dysfunctional an organization. We're just dysfunctional enough to not be one of the truly competitive teams. And the primary reason for that is Jerry-related. But it doesn't follow that everything we do or everything he touches is bad or wrong by default. We do just enough things wrong to never be good enough. That's the simplest and best explanation of what's happening. If we really were as dysfunctional as the average CZ public poster chooses to believe, we'd be a lot worse than a 500 team right now.
 
Idgit said:
It's impossible to say what's Jerry and what's Jason, honestly. This looks like Jason on offense, and what's most-likely a part of a strange scaled plan on defense.

As to the Jerry stuff, the thing is, of the things Jerry's criticized for, probably a quarter to a third of the things are made up, unsourced rumors, or never happen at all for any of a variety of reasons (Houston Nutt, trading up for Manziel, whatever). Another 50% are either middling moves or solid moves or even, sometimes, great moves that are simple second guessed because Jerry's involved in any shape or fashion whatsoever. Adding Scott Linehan to the offensive staff is a perfect example of this. There's no actual reason for anybody to be disappointed about that particular move, but, you get what we have here today, which is a failure to keep the hiring of an experienced offensive coach in any sort of useful perspective. I'd stick up for Jerry, or Jason, or the organization in general for any and all of the sorts of complaints that fall into those first two categories. And rightly so.

The third category is just dumb, bad, weird, or unnecessary moves. You can throw drunken interviews in, as well. I'm all on board with the criticism for those. There's a lot of it, and it's warranted. Taking play calling from Jason and announcing it publicly instead of letting the coach handle it. Ousting Rob to hire Kiffin (probably Jerry, maybe not). Not sticking to his draft board and trading down in the first round with a top-5 player on your board. etc, etc.

The reality is, we're really not that dysfunctional an organization. We're just dysfunctional enough to not be one of the truly competitive teams. And the primary reason for that is Jerry-related. But it doesn't follow that everything we do or everything he touches is bad or wrong by default. We do just enough things wrong to never be good enough. That's the simplest and best explanation of what's happening. If we really were as dysfunctional as the average CZ public poster chooses to believe, we'd be a lot worse than a 500 team right now.
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I mostly agree with your last paragraph. I'd say our playoff futility makes our dysfunction worse than most.

Which category does Jerry not hiring a GM fall into?
 
Idgit said:
If we really were as dysfunctional as the average CZ public poster chooses to believe, we'd be a lot worse than a 500 team right now.
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If we played in just about any other division in football, or if we lost Romo for any significant stretch of time, we would not have been a .500 team this year.

If next year's schedule plays out how it looks on paper right now (and I understand it rarely does, but humor me), I have a hard time seeing how we make it next year unless our division remains in the toilet.
 
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