Marinelli Will Continue “Mixing And Matching” To Find The Right D-Line Combo

[Sydla]

The DC is involved in the entire process. He's not some 'poor schlub' who has no say in the players he gets for his defense.

He had plenty of resources invested in his defense last year, and the results were still disappointing. His 'Rushmen' have ranked no higher than 25th in sacks during his entire tenure here. The game passes everyone by at some point.

Yep. Marinelli is deep in this mess too. Let's note that it's Marinelli who decided Crawford had to go to the 3 Tech because he believed that was his best position. If Crawford plays better at DE than DT, Marinelli has some responsibility for that. Irving is another guy they have at DE when others think he's really an interior player.

So Marinelli isn't some powerless schmuck here.

 

[Clarkson]

The catch? There is no right combo.

 

[CATCH17]

I have no problem mixing and matching, but if you take a step back and look at this, we signed two DL in the offseason, both have lost their starting gigs....factor in that we now have both Crawfords at DE's with an often injured McClain and a rookie Collins who missed alot of the preseason starting inside. this doesn't sound like the right recipe for a DL.

It could get better eventually.

I haven't focused in much on Maliek Collins but he is getting a lot of praise right now.

I still like our D Tackles..

We get Lawrence back in 2 weeks. He'll help out.

Then we just need to get lucky with someone like Davis or Tapper to do something.


There is a chance to get this thing better and not just look like a complete weakness.

 

[Sydla]

I have no problem mixing and matching, but if you take a step back and look at this, we signed two DL in the offseason, both have lost their starting gigs....factor in that we now have both Crawfords at DE's with an often injured McClain and a rookie Collins who missed alot of the preseason starting inside. this doesn't sound like the right recipe for a DL.

I think at this point, one would be hard pressed to argue against the notion that the front office did a pretty terrible job at improving the DL, especially DE, something Jones claimed was a big priority for them.

The DL has to be overhauled significantly next year.

 

[CATCH17]

I think at this point, one would be hard pressed to argue against the notion that the front office did a pretty terrible job at improving the DL, especially DE, something Jones claimed was a big priority for them.

The DL has to be overhauled significantly next year.

I don't know if a complete overhaul is in order.. We are just desperate for a legit Right End.

Lawrence and the D Tackles are fine imo.

Also, some linebackers that can cover are needed. Hopefully Jaylon Smith can play next year.

 

[Sydla]

I don't know if a complete overhaul is in order.. We are just desperate for a legit Right End.

Lawrence and the D Tackles are fine imo.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with T. Crawford and if he shows he's a better DE than DT.

 

[LittleD]

If you listen to the talking heads on DC.com, Marinelli doesn't give a hoot about defensive
ranking at all. He cares about points allowed. As long as the Cowboys can keep the score
under 21, Marinelli is happy. He was the same way in Chicago. The other team can run up
and down the field all day as long as they kick field goals and that score stays below 21.

 

[Sydla]

If you listen to the talking heads on DC.com, Marinelli doesn't give a hoot about defensive
ranking at all. He cares about points allowed. As long as the Cowboys can keep the score
under 21, Marinelli is happy. He was the same way in Chicago. The other team can run up
and down the field all day as long as they kick field goals and that score stays below 21.

Maybe I am missing an obvious answer but what's the last very successful team that had a defense that just allowed massive yardage totals, didn't really force turnovers or get to the QB, but still held teams to FGs?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Maybe I am missing an obvious answer but what's the last very successful team that had a defense that just allowed massive yardage totals, didn't really force turnovers or get to the QB, but still held teams to FGs?

Oh no question to even reach "average" status a defense has to be good at something, be it turnovers or keeping the yards per passing attempt down.

 

[jazzcat22]

He's struggled to get to the QB for two years and still hasn't blitzed a lot. I don't expect him to change his stripes this year either.

Maybe he should listen to Emmitt and change the spots....

what was his quote, can't change the stripes on a leopard....

 

[gmoney112]

The DC is involved in the entire process. He's not some 'poor schlub' who has no say in the players he gets for his defense.

He had plenty of resources invested in his defense last year, and the results were still disappointing. His 'Rushmen' have ranked no higher than 25th in sacks during his entire tenure here. The game passes everyone by at some point.

I find it hard to believe Jason really has that much control over the personnel, much less someone further down the totem pole.

I think Jason has more control over FA, as evidenced by the complete switch in FA approach. And I also think if you asked Rod, he'd tell you he'd 'make it work' with the bunch in 2013. That's why we have head coaches in GM. To acquire talent.

I'm not really sure what resources you're talking about. Our talent on defense has been terrible his entire tenure. If you're actually looking at it objectively, it's hard to argue that he's had anything better than bottom 5 just about every year. 2013 was a sideshow.

You can't have Rushmen that can't rush. He got Hatcher paid. Hardy was actually a solid effort, too bad he was insane and getting singled by late round rookies late in the year. Other then that, the pass rushers we've had on the line year after year has been one of, if not the, worst in the league. I can't think of any teams off the top of my head right now that have had worse. If you can objectively name a team that has worse, I'll give you props, because I watch a ton of football. I guarantee you can't name 3.

People seem to have short memories, or they don't really pay attention to the league. Chicago was arguably a better defense than Seattle every year he had influence there. As DC they were basically leading the league in every meaningful stat each year. That defense was insane to watch, and it wasn't loaded with talent.

Get some guys that can actually play. Stop signing Mayowas and wasting 2nd round picks. Half the guys in the front 7 couldn't start on a mediocre defense.

 

[Idgit]

I find it hard to believe Jason really has that much control over the personnel, much less someone further down the totem pole.

I think Jason has more control over FA, as evidenced by the complete switch in FA approach. And I also think if you asked Rod, he'd tell you he'd 'make it work' with the bunch in 2013. That's why we have head coaches in GM. To acquire talent.

I'm not really sure what resources you're talking about. Our talent on defense has been terrible his entire tenure. If you're actually looking at it objectively, it's hard to argue that he's had anything better than bottom 5 just about every year. 2013 was a sideshow.

You can't have Rushmen that can't rush. He got Hatcher paid. Hardy was actually a solid effort, too bad he was insane and getting singled by late round rookies late in the year. Other then that, the pass rushers we've had on the line year after year has been one of, if not the, worst in the league. I can't think of any teams off the top of my head right now that have had worse. If you can objectively name a team that has worse, I'll give you props, because I watch a ton of football. I guarantee you can't name 3.

People seem to have short memories, or they don't really pay attention to the league. Chicago was arguably a better defense than Seattle every year he had influence there. As DC they were basically leading the league in every meaningful stat each year. That defense was insane to watch, and it wasn't loaded with talent.

Get some guys that can actually play. Stop signing Mayowas and wasting 2nd round picks. Half the guys in the front 7 couldn't start on a mediocre defense.

Yep. We've gotten basically mediocre play with bottom-10 talent under Marinelli. Not good enough, but it's hard to blame the DC for it when we make mistakes in player acquisition.

Meanwhile, we spend all offseason knowing the DL is going to be bad and knowing we're missing our best front-7 player the first four weeks and people are somehow caught by surprise that we're rotating players and positions after week 2. There's not a lot of mystery here. Our DEs have under delivered early. Russel's off the roster entirely, Mayowa has been reduced to situational rushing, Tapper can't get on the field, and Irving did not take advantage of his opportunity. Marinelli likes Collins a lot at the 3 tech, so he's juggling the lineup to get him on the field because Crawford has the flexibility to move out to end. Jack Crawford--who many didn't want to resign at all in the offseason--is putting in quality snaps again this year just like he did last year and is earning the reps at end. And when Lawrence comes back, it'll change again.

The DL is going to be based on a heavy rotation anyway no matter what we do, so I imagine we'll be changing players from week to week as we figure out which combinations give us what. As long as we do a better job against the run this week than we did against the Giants, I can live with this.

 

[Stash]

I find it hard to believe Jason really has that much control over the personnel, much less someone further down the totem pole.

I think Jason has more control over FA, as evidenced by the complete switch in FA approach. And I also think if you asked Rod, he'd tell you he'd 'make it work' with the bunch in 2013. That's why we have head coaches in GM. To acquire talent.

If you don't think that Marinleii has a significant say in the players added to his defense,Moore either naive or lying to yourself as an excuse.

Is he lovable loser, who simply takes the garbage given to him and tries to make it work?

Or is he the guy who's just collecting a paycheck and going along to get along?

Neither one paints him in a positive light. He's had significant say over who's been drafted, who's been signed, and who's been resigned.

He's no babe in the woods here.

I'm not really sure what resources you're talking about. Our talent on defense has been terrible his entire tenure. If you're actually looking at it objectively, it's hard to argue that he's had anything better than bottom 5 just about every year. 2013 was a sideshow.

You can't have Rushmen that can't rush. He got Hatcher paid. Hardy was actually a solid effort, too bad he was insane and getting singled by late round rookies late in the year. Other then that, the pass rushers we've had on the line year after year has been one of, if not the, worst in the league. I can't think of any teams off the top of my head right now that have had worse. If you can objectively name a team that has worse, I'll give you props, because I watch a ton of football. I guarantee you can't name 3.

He had two guys the team used two 2nd and a 3rd round lucks to acquire, and a Pro Bowl pass rusher who's had an 11 and 15- sack season. And Marinelli's results were still poor. Despite a scheme that puts rush above all else.

People seem to have short memories, or they don't really pay attention to the league. Chicago was arguably a better defense than Seattle every year he had influence there. As DC they were basically leading the league in every meaningful stat each year. That defense was insane to watch, and it wasn't loaded with talent.

And how many years ago was that? The game passes everybody by.

Get some guys that can actually play. Stop signing Mayowas and wasting 2nd round picks. Half the guys in the front 7 couldn't start on a mediocre defense.

Again, Marinelli signed off on all of these guys. He's no victim.

 

[gmoney112]

Yep. We've gotten basically mediocre play with bottom-10 talent under Marinelli. Not good enough, but it's hard to blame the DC for it when we make mistakes in player acquisition.

Meanwhile, we spend all offseason knowing the DL is going to be bad and knowing we're missing our best front-7 player the first four weeks and people are somehow caught by surprise that we're rotating players and positions after week 2. There's not a lot of mystery here. Our DEs have under delivered early. Russel's off the roster entirely, Mayowa has been reduced to situational rushing, Tapper can't get on the field, and Irving did not take advantage of his opportunity. Marinelli likes Collins a lot at the 3 tech, so he's juggling the lineup to get him on the filed because Crawford has the flexibility to move out to end. Jack Crawford--who many didn't want to resign at all in the offseason--is putting in quality snaps again this year just like he did last year and is earning the reps at end. And when Lawrence comes back, it'll change again.

The DL is going to be based on a heavy rotation anyway no matter what we do, so I imagine we'll be changing players from week to week as we figure out which combinations give us what. As long as we do a better job against the run this week than we did against the Giants, I can live with this.

Pretty much. I just feel bad for Tony.

It's easy to get wrapped up in your own team with your vested interests, but all it takes is a quick look around the league, and you start to quickly get a picture of just how talent deprived our defense really is. The back 5 in the secondary are actually okay, I'd have preferred an upgrade at SS but it's a group you can compete with. A little better than league average.

The front 7, and in particular the DL, is just a disaster. I get what they were trying to do, but it was a huge risk at an area where it's not exactly been inconspicuous that we've needed help at every year. Especially when you're the FO and you know one of the few talents you have on the line can't seem to pass a drug test.

It's frustrating to me because it's repeatedly been about as glaring a need as you could possibly have for years now, and we really don't do much about it.

Especially when you think of opportunity cost. I like Heath, and I think he's probably one of our best ST players, but Wilcox is making almost 2 mill, and between church/Wilcox/Heath we have almost 8 mill locked up in cap, with mayowa/gachkar/Wilber accounting for another 5.5. I understand the need for depth, but it's like death by a thousand paper cuts, 13.5 mill in cap can get you some talent. You gotta churn some of these guys to get players on your club that can play.

You can't rely on your QB having an MVP season and your RB rushing for 1800 yards to get a playoff win.

 

[gmoney112]

If you don't think that Marinleii has a significant say in the players added to his defense,Moore either naive or lying to yourself as an excuse.

Is he lovable loser, who simply takes the garbage given to him and tries to make it work?

Or is he the guy who's just collecting a paycheck and going along to get along?

Neither one paints him in a positive light. He's had significant say over who's been drafted, who's been signed, and who's been resigned.

He's no babe in the woods here.



He had two guys the team used two 2nd and a 3rd round lucks to acquire, and a Pro Bowl pass rusher who's had an 11 and 15- sack season. And Marinelli's results were still poor. Despite a scheme that puts rush above all else.



And how many years ago was that? The game passes everybody by.



Again, Marinelli signed off on all of these guys. He's no victim.

Sorry I forgot you worked in the cowboys FO. Please continue

 

[Idgit]

Pretty much. I just feel bad for Tony.

It's easy to get wrapped up in your own team with your vested interests, but all it takes is a quick look around the league, and you start to quickly get a picture of just how talent deprived our defense really is. The back 5 in the secondary are actually okay, I'd have preferred an upgrade at SS but it's a group you can compete with. A little better than league average.

The front 7, and in particular the DL, is just a disaster. I get what they were trying to do, but it was a huge risk at an area where it's not exactly been inconspicuous that we've needed help at every year. Especially when you're the FO and you know one of the few talents you have on the line can't seem to pass a drug test.

It's frustrating to me because it's repeatedly been about as glaring a need as you could possibly have for years now, and we really don't do much about it.

Especially when you think of opportunity cost. I like Heath, and I think he's probably one of our best ST players, but Wilcox is making almost 2 mill, and between church/Wilcox/Heath we have almost 8 mill locked up in cap, with mayowa/gachkar/Wilber accounting for another 5.5. I understand the need for depth, but it's like death by a thousand paper cuts, 13.5 mill in cap can get you some talent. You gotta churn some of these guys to get players on your club that can play.

You can't rely on your QB having an MVP season and your RB rushing for 1800 yards to get a playoff win.

Pretty much exactly how I feel about it. How many seasons ago was it we were talking about the worst defense in team history? And how little has actually been done to address it? It's not like we haven't spent some picks along the DL, but they're always 2nd and 3rd rounders or injury or character long-shots. I'm all for having a SEA like rotation of players, but you still need to have the good players to rotate or you're not accomplishing anything. Meanwhile, we waste time complaining about the QB coaches or the play calling or the offensive 'scheme.' It's kind of ridiculous if you stop and think about it.

 

[haleyrules]

Wish he would mix in some more blitzes from different areas.

Blitz...whats that?!!

 

[Stash]

Sorry I forgot you worked in the cowboys FO. Please continue

Sorry I forgot you worked in the cowboys FO. Please continue

You keep those blinders firmly in place.



Poor Rod Marinelli is just an unfortunate victim of circumstance. Circumstances he has no control overweight are completely beyond his control. Poor guy...

 

[Doomsday101]

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with T. Crawford and if he shows he's a better DE than DT.

Hope it makes a difference that is why Marinelli is putting him there. Yes he feels Crawford has a chance to help us put pressure on the QB on the outside since no one else is but does not mean in the long term he feels Crawford inside is the better fit. Given that he has 3 players on suspension and 2 who will not be playing this season all he can do is move people around and find a combination that is decent. No easy task

 

[Sydla]

Hope it makes a difference that is why Marinelli is putting him there. Yes he feels Crawford has a chance to help us put pressure on the QB on the outside since no one else is but does not mean in the long term he feels Crawford inside is the better fit. Given that he has 3 players on suspension and 2 who will not be playing this season all he can do is move people around and find a combination that is decent. No easy task

Make no mistake, I am not suggesting or thinking that Crawford is going to turn into some great DE.

But he's been pretty much a non factor at DT. If he proves to be more effective at DE than DT and helps this team more at DE than DT, it absolutely calls into question what Marinelli was thinking making him an undersized 3 Tech.