Marinelli's Legacy of Misevaluation

[CalPolyTechnique]

Been listening to some of the team's podcasts (Draft Show and the Break) over the past few months and couple of things have popped out to me....Rod Marinelli has been directly been involved with at least two (more likely 3) significant prospect evaluations flubs:

1. Nick Eatman talked about how during the 2019 Draft the Cowboys the debate in the war room was whether to take DT Trysten Hill at #58 or one of the safeties still on the board (Adderley, Rapp, or Thornhill). Eatman said that Marinelli went to bat for "his guy" Hill and the team rolled the dice thinking they could grab one of the safeties with their next pick at pick #90.
2. On the Feb. 9, Draft Show Broadduss was once again rehashing the 2016 Draft debate between Jalen Ramsey and Zeke. You'll remember this was when the team had almost identical grades ("tags were touching") between the two players. The interesting bit to me was not that Marinelli (and McClay) advocated for taking Zeke, but rather that they had misevaluated Ramsey as a safety and not a corner.

*#3 I don't have insider info to 100% validate it, but I think we all suspect in the 2017 Draft that Marinelli was a primary voice in the room that misevaluated TJ Watt as a 3-4 OLB, which was ultimately a factor in passing on him in favor of Taco Charlton.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Garrett in a interview said, "we trust Marinelli and try to give him whatever he wants...player wise".

So the problem was Garrett going with Marinelli and Jerry going with Garrett. Shiites rolls down hill. Damn you Jerry! Quit hiring guys you can get alone with! Hire someone with some chops.

 

[ChuckA1]

Both one and three are real screw-ups. Both by the same defensive "guru" is ridiculous!

 

[Carson]

If I’m not mistaken, McClay was the one the one who advocated for Taco over Watt

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If I’m not mistaken, McClay was the one the one who advocated for Taco over Watt

I believe he said it was a group decision. Either way, I don’t think for a second McClay would get on the podcast and say “Taco? That wuzn’t me man. Go talk to Rod.”

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Cowboys were abandoning the safety position long before Maranelli came along. They can use him as the scapegoat if they want but I'm sure they didn't have that hard of a time passing up a safety in favor of Hill.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If I’m not mistaken, McClay was the one the one who advocated for Taco over Watt

I heard Babe Laufenberg speak on this as well. Basically was saying Maranelli got scapegoated for the Taco pick......but he wasn't the only voice and wasn't the loudest either. He didn't go into who actually was though. I figured it was either Jerry or someone else.

 

[ClappingCarrot]

Every insider in Dallas will tell you that Marinelli had entirely too much juice in that draft room.

I can absolutely understand the thought process with the Taco and Zeke picks, but the Trysten Hill one still befuddles me.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Every insider in Dallas will tell you that Marinelli had entirely too much juice in that draft room.

I can absolutely understand the thought process with the Taco and Zeke picks, but the Trysten Hill one still befuddles me.

The point is not that they took Zeke. It’s that they misevaluated Ramsey as a safety.

 

[Brax]

Been listening to some of the team's podcasts (Draft Show and the Break) over the past few months and couple of things have popped out to me....Rod Marinelli has been directly been involved with at least two (more likely 3) significant prospect evaluations flubs:

1. Nick Eatman talked about how during the 2019 Draft the Cowboys the debate in the war room was whether to take DT Trysten Hill at #58 or one of the safeties still on the board (Adderley, Rapp, or Thornhill). Eatman said that Marinelli went to bat for "his guy" Hill and the team rolled the dice thinking they could grab one of the safeties with their next pick at pick #90.
2. On the Feb. 9, Draft Show Broadduss was once again rehashing the 2016 Draft debate between Jalen Ramsey and Zeke. You'll remember this was when the team had almost identical grades ("tags were touching") between the two players. The interesting bit to me was not that Marinelli (and McClay) advocated for taking Zeke, but rather that they had misevaluated Ramsey as a safety and not a corner.

*#3 I don't have insider info to 100% validate it, but I think we all suspect Marinelli was a primary voice in the room that misevaluated TJ Watt as a 3-4 OLB in the 2017 Draft, which was ultimately a factor in passing on him in favor of Taco Charlton.

This is classic blame game, McClay is the talent evaluator and Jerry has final say so WM the talent guru is to blame for the poor draft picks, as for Zeke I would of preferred Ramsey but how soon folks forget that Zeke carried the team for 3 seasons and why he got the big$$$$ contract that most do not like. So it is WM and JJ’s fault and no one else’s for the poor drafting.

 

[ClappingCarrot]

The point is not that they took Zeke. It’s that they misevaluated Ramsey as a safety.

Yeah that's goofy as hell.

But it's not like this team has an elite scouting record when it comes to defense.

 

[Carson]

Every insider in Dallas will tell you that Marinelli had entirely too much juice in that draft room.

I can absolutely understand the thought process with the Taco and Zeke picks, but the Trysten Hill one still befuddles me.

The sad part is, Broaddus tweeted immediately after round one, he would be our pick on day 2. Didn’t matter who was available

 

[Plankton]

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The point is not that they took Zeke. It’s that they misevaluated Ramsey as a safety.

Which is mind-blowing. One of the best CBs in the game and Rod would have played him out of position... just like with Byron Jones at first.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Which is mind-blowing. One of the best CBs in the game and Rod would have played him out of position... just like with Byron Jones at first.

Great point.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Looool.

 

[Carson]

Ahhh. The mighty Joey Ivie pick

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

I heard Babe Laufenberg speak on this as well. Basically was saying Maranelli got scapegoated for the Taco pick......but he wasn't the only voice and wasn't the loudest either. He didn't go into who actually was though. I figured it was either Jerry or someone else.

I want a war daddy! Waitress brings back a soft taco.

 

[Dre11]

I believe he said it was a group decision. Either way, I don’t think for a second McClay would get on the podcast and say “Taco? That wuzn’t me man. Go talk to Rod.”

Well if you went by the draft analysis on both players, Taco was rated higher and projected to go higher.

https://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/scoutingreport2017tcharlton.php



https://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/scoutingreport2017tjwatt.php#:~:text=Similar to his older brother,batted and two forced fumbles.

 

[cowboyec]

trust your scouts to do the job.
trust your board....its what you pay them for.