Marion Barber=Troy Hambrick

[Go Big D!]

Marion Barber=Troy Hambrick

That's quite a stretch there. My feeling is that you truly don't remember Hambrick's contribution as a player. While I get frustrated with MB3 on occasion it's never with the disgust I had for Hambrick. Barber is still a positive force for this team.

 

[KJJ]

Barber has only rushed for 100 yards once this season. He hasn't even sniffed 100 yards in 5 straight games. He went over 100 yards 3 times last year and was injured the last 4 games of the season. Barber is not very productive for a starting running back. He's not a game changer and doesn't give you the homerun threat. Now he can't even get you a yard when you need it. He was a MUCH better player in the role we had him in prior to the 08 season. In 07 he was a backup and made the pro bowl. He had 975 yards that year on only 4 more carries than he currently has. He was averaging 4.8 a carry and scored 10 TD's. The guy was money in 3rd and short situations and you couldn't keep him out of the endzone from the one yardline on even one attempt much less three. He's not even close to the player he was in 07 and that's a FACT! Everyone was in love with him then now you have guys who want to trade him.

 

[Zman5]

My main concern with Barber is how he's easily tackled now by a one defender. He was one of the hardest people to tackle in the open field but I've seen single DB tackle him with ease this year several times.

 

[jchap]

This guy deserves a ban for putting those two names together in the title.

 

[trueblue1687]

Somebody's been smoking crack again. Troy Hambrick??? You've gotta be kidding. Barber's failure in getting the 1 yard so many times the past few games is for one reason: failure of the O-Line. Take a physics lesson....230lbs vs. 700lbs (two or three defenders). Not gonna happen. Kinda like the "knock down power" myth surrounding guns. There's no way a 180grn bullet would "knock down" a grown man...or a child for that matter (barring one scenario). Barber hasn't lost anythng to speak of. He's never been fast. He is still a rough runner who isn't afraid of contact. Use him up, because he won't last too many years....that is true.

 

[Sarge]

Barber was more effective coming off the bench and still would be - it suits his style of running. But........they're paying him too much money now so he will continue to start (much like RW).

 

[gimmesix]

Most of those short yardage situations are being horribly called. You don't call trap plays or have guards pulling. You run straight downhill. Man on man blocking. Take out your wideouts and put in extra beef.

Plus, we're going to the well too much. This is not the 1990s with Emmitt Smith and that offensive line. We could line up and win that battle almost every time.

Sunday, we said ours can beat yours and Haynesworth proved that wrong because he's a physical mismatch for Kosier. They overloaded against the run in those situations and we NEVER tried to make them pay for it.

Blaming Barber is a very simplistic view of what happened. Barber only had the blocking he needed on those short-yardage plays once, and after the earlier unsuccessful plays, he hesitated instead of trusting the hole to be there. Who can really blame him for that?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Short yardage needs good blocking, has any one seen that? I know I haven't.
Barber is the best back we have on this team. No knock on Felix or Choice but Barber is #1.

 

[iceberg]

Barber hasn't shown much burst since his quad injury in week 2. His legs appear to be going dead especially later in games as the season goes on. You could clearly see this on the one break away run he had last night where he stumbled down without being touched. He looked exactly like Troy Hambrick on that play. Remember how effective Hambrick was when he use to come in and spell Emmitt but once he became the starter he wasn't as good. Everytime Hambrick would break into the open field he would start to stumble down without being touched. Barber is looking almost the same way in the open field. He runs very stiff legged in the open field and is starting to stumble without any contact. His quad injury occurred without any contact. You don't see the same burst and leg drive he use to show when he was the backup. His punishing billy goat rockem sockem style is starting to take it's toll on him with the more carries he gets. It's CLEAR he's not the same player he was in 07.

Teams are ready for him on short yardage and he simply doesn't have the burst or leg drive to pick up a yard anymore. I would either go with the wildcat in those 3rd and short situations with Choice or try Felix or Choice on conventional running plays. They both have some burst and can find small seams to squeeze out at least a yard. Braber use to be money in those situations but not anymore he's become more of a liability in those situations. This short yardage problem is going to come back to bite us in the butt if we don't stop giving Barber the ball on the same play everytime. How many times does it have to fail before we stop going to him?

people screw up a valid point by extreme stupid comparisons.

barber has already buried any career hambrick could have hoped to have in his time. but your need to get a dig/slam in takes away from the validity of your point.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

people screw up a valid point by extreme stupid comparisons.

barber has already buried any career hambrick could have hoped to have in his time. but your need to get a dig/slam in takes away from the validity of your point.

This.

 

[KJJ]

That you even think this comparison is valid tells me all I need to know about where this "argument" is going. 43 TD vs. 9 TD is pretty much all you need to know.

I got news for you 29 of Barbers 43 TD's came when he was a backup from 05 to 07. His TD production has come way down since he became the starter. He was a productive player in the role we had him in prior to the 08 season. He was averaging almost 5 yards a carry in 06-07. He showed tremendous power and leg drive and you don't see that now. Last year he only averaged 3.7 a carry which shows the more carries he gets the worse he gets. His average is a little higher this year because he's been spitting time with 2 other backs. Hambrick only started one season and had 972 yards which was only 3 yards less than Barbers best season. Hambrick had three 100 yard games in 03 including 189 yards against Washington. That's 47 yards more than Barbers career best game. Hambrick was playing on a Cowboys team that didn't have near the talent that this Cowboys team does. Barber is still a better player than Hambrick but there are some similarities at the present and Barbers game has clearly declined.

 

[KJJ]

people screw up a valid point by extreme stupid comparisons.

barber has already buried any career hambrick could have hoped to have in his time. but your need to get a dig/slam in takes away from the validity of your point.

I'm talking about the "present" and RIGHT NOW Barber is starting to resemble Hambrick in "some" ways. Some of you need to learn to comprehend. Hambrick didn't play for near as good a Cowboy team as Barber plays for but at the "present" Barbers game has declined. Hambrick was more productive the one year he started in 03 than Barber has been this year. Hambrick rushed for 972 yards in 03 and Barber currently has 841. Hambrick had three 100 yard games that year compared to Barbers one 100 yard game. Barbers most productive game this season was 124 yards. Hambrick had 189 yard game in 03 which was the third highest rushing performance in team history. Barber was a TERRIFIC player 2 years ago but he's clearly not the same player he was then.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm talking about the "present" and RIGHT NOW Barber is starting to resemble Hambrick in "some" ways. Some of you need to learn to comprehend. Hambrick didn't play for near as good a Cowboy team as Barber plays for but at the "present" Barbers game has declined. Hambrick was more productive the one year he started in 03 than Barber has been this year. Hambrick rushed for 972 yards in 03 and Barber currently has 841. Hambrick had three 100 yard games that year compared to Barbers one 100 yard game. Barbers most productive game this season was 124 yards. Hambrick had 189 yard game in 03 which was the third highest rushing performance in team history. Barber was a TERRIFIC player 2 years ago but he's clearly not the same player he was then.

Hasn't he been nagged by an injury most of the season? He is also more of the feature back and keyed on more than ever. Our O line hasn't been stellar with run blocking either. I would also rather have him blocking for Romo than any other back on the roster. I would like to see him in more of a closer role but I still think he is the best and most durable of the three backs we have.

 

[iceberg]

I'm talking about the "present" and RIGHT NOW Barber is starting to resemble Hambrick in "some" ways. Some of you need to learn to comprehend. Hambrick didn't play for near as good a Cowboy team as Barber plays for but at the "present" Barbers game has declined. Hambrick was more productive the one year he started in 03 than Barber has been this year. Hambrick rushed for 972 yards in 03 and Barber currently has 841. Hambrick had three 100 yard games that year compared to Barbers one 100 yard game. Barbers most productive game this season was 124 yards. Hambrick had 189 yard game in 03 which was the third highest rushing performance in team history. Barber was a TERRIFIC player 2 years ago but he's clearly not the same player he was then.

no one said you didn't have a point that barber isn't looking like himself, but it's your seeming desire to slam him vs. talk about his falling production that puts you where you are.

barber is now and always will be a better back than hambrick could ever hope to be. but when you go off and say something extreme to be 1) funny 2) try and make a point or 3) cause you really believe it - don't be surprised if valid convo is hard to come by.

you didn't start off with valid comparisons so it's not likely you'll get there from here.

like someone else said, the post seems to be more about you and your "dig ability" than talking about barbers current state of production

 

[gimmesix]

Let's place blame where it belongs

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips was unhappy with the short-yardage difficulties, and owner Jerry Jones promised the situation would be addressed. When asked if he was worried about the situation, Jones said:
“No, I really don’t if we’ll just quit walking back seven yards and handing it off and just hand it off from about a foot to make the foot. That’s elementary.”

Jones then laughed and said, “That’s Coach Jones. No, that was Emmitt Smith sitting right in front of me saying why we are taking it so deep in the backfield to make a foot? But we can clean that up.”

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Let's place blame where it belongs

Well if any one would know I would bet Emmitt.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm talking about the "present" and RIGHT NOW Barber is starting to resemble Hambrick in "some" ways. Some of you need to learn to comprehend. Hambrick didn't play for near as good a Cowboy team as Barber plays for but at the "present" Barbers game has declined. Hambrick was more productive the one year he started in 03 than Barber has been this year. Hambrick rushed for 972 yards in 03 and Barber currently has 841. Hambrick had three 100 yard games that year compared to Barbers one 100 yard game. Barbers most productive game this season was 124 yards. Hambrick had 189 yard game in 03 which was the third highest rushing performance in team history. Barber was a TERRIFIC player 2 years ago but he's clearly not the same player he was then.

During 2003, a fully healthy Hambrick shared the lion's share of carries with the likes of Richie Anderson and Aveion Cason (sp?) and racked up 998 yards--while starting all seventeen games.

This season, Barber missed a game due to injury while splitting carries with Tashard Choice and Felix Jones practically every game and is only 157 yards short of matching him. His complete recovery from his early season injury is constantly questioned.

...but Barber 'equals' Hambrick?

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[Dave_in-NC]

During 2003, a fully healthy Hambrick shared the lion's share of carries with the likes of Richie Anderson and Aveion Cason (sp?) and racked up 998 yards--while starting all seventeen games.

This season, Barber missed a game due to injury while splitting carries with Tashard Choice and Felix Jones practically every game and is only 157 yards short of matching him. His complete recovery from his early season injury is constantly questioned.

...but Barber 'equals' Hambrick?

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Facts,facts,facts. You should be ashamed, you.

 

[Angus]

This. I was never prepared to go with him as a starter, I thought it was asking too much of him, but he's still a productive back. Felix has his holes too, not sure you really want to see 20 carries by him a game.

Choise is really the only complete back I see, but there are issues there too.

What 'issues'?

 

[KJJ]

no one said you didn't have a point that barber isn't looking like himself, but it's your seeming desire to slam him vs. talk about his falling production that puts you where you are.

barber is now and always will be a better back than hambrick could ever hope to be. but when you go off and say something extreme to be 1) funny 2) try and make a point or 3) cause you really believe it - don't be surprised if valid convo is hard to come by.

you didn't start off with valid comparisons so it's not likely you'll get there from here.

like someone else said, the post seems to be more about you and your "dig ability" than talking about barbers current state of production

The facts are he's starting to resemble Hambrick. He still brings things to the table that Hambrick didn't but if you compare Barbers 09 season with the one year Hambrick started in 03 their stats are similar. Statistically Barber is pretty much on par with the production Hambrick gave us in 03. Barber has 2 more TD's than Hambrick had in 03 and he's averaging 4.2 a carry compared to Hambricks 3.5 a carry. Barber has been much better as a receiver than Hambrick ever was but this year Barber does not look good running the ball. Personally I think Barber is an awful open field runner. He's not very quick, shifty or fast and now he's not giving us the short yardage runs that he was so good at a couple of years ago. I'm not trying to bash him but you have to be blind not to see that his game has declined alot the past 2 seasons.

Hambrick wasn't that bad a player in a backup role. His production as a backup helped Jerry's decision to cut Emmitt and go with him as the starter. Like Barber Hambrick wasn't near as effective a starter as he was a backup. Barber made the pro bowl as a backup and his game is clearly not what it was then. He's now playing against fresher players earlier in games and he ends up having alot of no gains and negative plays. When teams want to shut him down they can do it because he's not shifty, he hesitates and he can't get outside and turn the corner.