Marion Barber=Troy Hambrick

[KJJ]

Honestly, you need to go look up the concept of "average"

All I have to do if I want to see "average" is look at Barbers numbers and compare them to the top starting RB's in the league. Barbers numbers are "average". He should be a role player not a starter.

 

[KJJ]

That Malibu sunshine has fried yer brains.

If I couldn't think and rationalize I wouldn't be able to afford to live in Malibu. :toast:

 

[Idgit]

What do 'stupid thread' mean?

 

[Four]

barber averages 4.4 or 4.5 a carry.

what is wrong with fans that they can't just be happy the team is doing well?

 

[Four]

If I couldn't think and rationalize I wouldn't be able to afford to live in Malibu. :toast:

something tells me you may be homeless soon...

 

[Givincer]

Part of what I think people don't see anymore is Barber running people over as often as he used to.

Honestly I think that can be attributed to people knowing now exactly how not to try to tackle Barber. Occasionally we see someone make a mistake and get plowed over, but I think on the whole it has less to do with Barber and more to do with people knowing the way in which you shouldn't try to tackle him.

As has been mentioned, his average is more than respectable.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Almost identical? Better check your math Einstein he had 26 TD's as a "backup" with "fewer" carries and he had 17 TD's since as the "starter" and he's getting more carries. That comes out to 9 fewer TD's as a starter with more opportunities and you call that almost identical? :laugh2: He had 135 carries in 06 and scored 14 TD's.

Well you proved my point. What makes you or any one think that more carries wouldn't equal less yards per carry for Jones or Choice? I think the O line has way more to do with it than barber does.

 

[RS12]

Ridiculous thread and for the record I'm down on MBIII right now.

 

[KJJ]

Well you proved my point. What makes you or any one think that more carries wouldn't equal less yards per carry for Jones or Choice? I think the O line has way more to do with it than barber does.

More carries would equal less yards per carry but he wasn't talking about yards per carry he brought up the TD comparison.

 

[KJJ]

Give Felix and Choice the ball more and their numbers will likely decline.
A 4.2 average isn't bad for our offense. Maybe the coaching staff isn't sure Felix can handle much more. I still wouldn't want any of the three but Barber protecting Romo against blitzes.

Sure their averages would come down some but they both are shiftier than Barber and would provide us with more big plays as feature backs. Save Barber for the tough yards and to close. We need to keep him fresh for those situations.

 

[MetalHead]

The flawed logic of this thread is epic.
Barber sure has not been all pro this year,but to compare him to Hambrick is nonsense.
When you compare athletes,make sure you compare them at their peak performance.
Think about it...how many WRs were better than Jerry Rice in 2005?

 

[iceberg]

If I couldn't think and rationalize I wouldn't be able to afford to live in Malibu. :toast:

for living in the state going the most broke, i'd not be bragging about affording much.

 

[iceberg]

The flawed logic of this thread is epic.
Barber sure has not been all pro this year,but to compare him to Hambrick is nonsense.
When you compare athletes,make sure you compare them at their peak performance.
Think about it...how many WRs were better than Jerry Rice in 2005?

stupid people do stupid things. i've gotten tired of trying to point it out.

 

[newlander]

Chief, Emmitt and TD are right on: you can't be the hammer all the time at RB in the NFL...you guys seen poor Earl Campbell lately? That's the route MB3 is headed if he doesn't chill. It' s a shame because Choice should be in there more anyway.....oh well hope it doesn't haunt us but I'm afraid it will in the playoffs....

 

[KJJ]

something tells me you may be homeless soon...

You don't even know what Barbers average is and you're worried about me? He's averaging 4.2 carry it's not that difficult to log into NFL.com and find that out.

 

[Fletch]

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Now that is some funny stuff. I think Marion is still a beast. Let us not forget that the quad injury he suffered earlier in the year was said to be a lingering injury that could last the entire season.

Marion is better than 3/4 of the RB's in the league, and that's with one good quad.

 

[LatinMind]

i wouldnt hate seeing barber traded for a high 2nd. id love to see choice and felix get more touches.

 

[KJJ]

The flawed logic of this thread is epic.
Barber sure has not been all pro this year,but to compare him to Hambrick is nonsense.
When you compare athletes,make sure you compare them at their peak performance.
Think about it...how many WRs were better than Jerry Rice in 2005?

The point I was making when I started this thread isn't about what Barber has done his entire career it's what he's doing now and "right now" he's starting to remind me of Troy Hambrick. He looks awful running in the open field and he keeps getting stuffed when we only need a freaking yard. The Cowboys use Barber in all the same situations they used him in 07 when he was a backup but he's not nearly as effective in those situations now as he was then. In 06 and 07 he was virtually unstoppable in the redzone. Once the Cowboys got inside the opponents 5 yardline no one could keep MB from scoring. The power, burst and leg drive he had then is what made him the Barbarian. He had 24 TD's in 06-07 which proves how hard he was to stop. In 08-09 he's had 14 TD's and he gets just as many opportunities if not more in those scoring situations but he can't convert nearly as many because he's not the same player. He's not very effective on first down I bet he barely averages 3 yards a carry on first down. Someone Mentioned Earl Campbell and how he ended up.

Campbell was spectacular for 5 years but his aggressive style of crashing into defenders and trying to dish out punishment led to only 5 great seasons. His drop off was pretty shocking. He started going down alot easier and he slowed up. He couldn't run away from defenders anymore. Campbell came into the league in 78 and was washed up by 84. The lifespan of an RB isn't very long especially one who takes and dishes out punishment the way Barber does. He couldn't shake the toe injury last year and who knows maybe his quad is still bothering him but that injury was over 3 months ago. From what I'm seeing right now Barber looks about 2 years away from being done. If I were the Cowboys I would be rotating Felix and Choice and pick my spots with Barber to keep his legs fresh so maybe he get us a yard when we need it.

 

[KJJ]

i wouldnt hate seeing barber traded for a high 2nd. id love to see choice and felix get more touches.

There's isn't anyway someone would offer a high second for an RB who takes the punishment Barber has and is showing signs of decline. He's a role player who isn't very fast and is losing his power and burst. The Cowboys would be lucky to get a 4th round pick for him because I don't think there's another team in the league who would feature him. Teams would use him the way we were using him prior to the 08 season. He was an EXCELLENT player in that role. He was averaging 4.8 a carry and was scoring one TD after another and made the Pro Bowl. It was thing of beauty watching him pound defenses into submission in the 4th quarter.

 

[KJJ]

for living in the state going the most broke, i'd not be bragging about affording much.

Trust me in the area I live in no one is broke.