Marion Barber=Troy Hambrick

[iceberg]

You claimed it's making your brain hurt. Maybe what hurts is hearing the truth about a player who was once a terrific player but has now been reduced to a mere shell of his former self. What I'm saying shouldn't be that hard to comprehend for anyone who's been watching the team for the last decade. I'm not going back on anything I said from the beginning of this thread. All I've done is elaborate for those who are still scratching their heads thinking I'm saying Barber has always been Hambrick. Anyone who can read and comprehend can see that my comments comparing Barber to Hambrick have to do with Barbers "recent" play.

I haven't gone overboard on anything I've had to be very thorough for those who are slow or those who still think Barber is the Barbarian. There hasn't been any last minute changes to what I've been saying. I've been saying the same thing from the beginning some either can't comprehend or they can't accept my brutal honesty. I don't come here to sugarcoat anything. I've made everything I've said as clear as can be and if you still don't understand that's your problem and if you don't agree that's your opinion. Not everyone is going to see things the same way we all have our opinions.

and i need to better comprehend? : ) be more clear perhaps.

the long run on sentences filled with pirate ships was giving me a headache. i never bothered to read the post itself.

 

[nalam]

IMO, Marions problem is in the head and not physical. I guess after stopped at the goal line 3-4 times he is doubting himself and may be the pressure is getting to him and becoming a bit tentative , waiting too long before seeing a hole or waiting for play to develop .

Better would be take him out of some 3rd and short and 4th and short situations and use the other guys , Use MB3 in the 2nd half primarily for protecting leads which he does with gay abandon.

 

[Sarge]

IMO, Marions problem is in the head and not physical. I guess after stopped at the goal line 3-4 times he is doubting himself and may be the pressure is getting to him and becoming a bit tentative , waiting too long before seeing a hole or waiting for play to develop .

Better would be take him out of some 3rd and short and 4th and short situations and use the other guys , Use MB3 in the 2nd half primarily for protecting leads which he does with gay abandon.

I think it's 2 things. I don't think he is 100% healthy and like I said previously, he is better suited for coming off the bench. It suits his style better. He's gonna be meat in 2 years if this keeps up.

 

[KJJ]

and i need to better comprehend? : ) be more clear perhaps.

the long run on sentences filled with pirate ships was giving me a headache. i never bothered to read the post itself.

I wasn't the one who put the pirate ships in there. If you didn't even bother to read my post then why are you commenting? At least read the book before giving a review. Just stick with the topic.

 

[DallasEast]

Barber has had "several" games dating back to last season where he's looked Hambrick like. In 08 he averaged 3.7 a carry which was only slightly better than Hambricks 3.5 a carry the one season he was the starter. Barber had 3 games last season where he averaged under 3 yards a carry and this was before he injured his pinky toe. I think most on this board would agree the Cowboys are not getting alot of bang out of their buck from Barber. He's being paid like a franchise back and he's anything but a franchise back. Let's be real the Cowboys would have been much better off trading Barber and drafting Mendenhall a couple of years ago if they were looking for a feature back who could carry the load. Mendenhall gives you what Barber use to give us and with alot more speed. Mendenhall took over as the starter in Pittsburgh during the season and has over a 1000 yards and is averaging 4.6 a carry. How many here wouldn't take him over Barber right now? Even when Barber was at his best 2 years ago he wasn't worth the type of money Jerry paid him.

The franchise's entire running back philosophy centered around having multiple backs to execute the rushing game. If you draft Mendenhall, you don't draft Felix Jones and/or Chris Johnson. As the fourth round dawns, you're hesitant to draft Tashard Choice because you have already invested in a feature back already in the first round.

 

[KJJ]

Some here really crack me up. I asked one poster if he was indecisive and he said he wasn't sure. :

 

[KJJ]

The franchise's entire running back philosophy centered around having multiple backs to execute the rushing game. If you draft Mendenhall, you don't draft Felix Jones and/or Chris Johnson. As the fourth round dawns, you're hesitant to draft Tashard Choice because you have already invested in a feature back already in the first round.

Naturally you don't draft Felix or Chris Johnson if you draft Mendenhall. Mendenhall didn't make sense to the Cowboys because they thought he was too much like Barber. I doubt they're feeling that way now. LOL They felt Felix would compliment Barber better but I thought when we drafted Felix that he would take over the role that Julius had. The only reason Barber ever got the start in the playoff game in 07 was because Julius wasn't getting it done. JJ's game went in the toilet the final 8 games of the 07 season. The franchise has shown or should I say Jerry has shown he doesn't know how to draft. Bennett has been another wasted #2 pick so far. Fasano who we gave away to Miami has been more productive than Bennett the last two seasons. Felix was taken ahead of Mendenhall and Chis Johnson but we're not getting the most out of his ability. If the plan was to use Felix for 6-7 carries a game and as a KO returner we would have been better off using that #22 pick on another position or on a back the Cowboys felt could carry more of the load.

Personally I think Felix could possibly do what Chris Johnson is doing for the Titans if he was given the opportunity. I think he could do in the passing game what Reggie Bush is doing if we get him out in space. He has produced in the passing game when given the chance. We've seen flashes of the big plays he can make in the running game on the few opportunities he gets. We don't allow him to get into a rhythm when he's starting to make some plays. Had we drafted Chris Johnson you have to figure we would be using him exactly the same way we're using Felix. Johnson isn't a big back at only around 200 lbs. Entering the league most didn't think he could handle a full load. Before you can make an accurate judgement on a player they have to be given the "opportunity". Assuming a player can't handle a bigger load means nothing if they've never been given the chance to handle a bigger load. The past two games the Cowboys have started getting Felix more involved and Jerry made it clear he wants to see Felix get more involved. He's averaged 12 carries the past 2 games.

 

[Preacha Mane]

Bennett has been another wasted #2 pick so far.

How can you call a player a wasted pick after just 2 seasons? It generally takes 2-3 years for players to adjust to the NFL from college. Thats the problem with a lot of fans, they expect players to come in and just put up unreal stats right away.

Fasano who we gave away to Miami has been more productive than Bennett the last two seasons.

did you ever think as of why he has been more productive? its probably bc he has started the past 2 years for the cowboys jv team down in Miami. when he was wittens backup he didnt anything more than what bennett has done. and personally i think bennet brings more to the table than the rain man fasano. bennett poses more problems for defensive coordinators

 

[MetalHead]

I remember Troy Hambrick very well and if you have any recollection you'll remember almost every Cowboys fan out there wanted him to be the starter because he was breaking one run after another spelling Emmitt Smith. In 2001 he was practically doing what Barber was doing when he would come in for Julius except Hambrick showed more speed. In 2001 Hambrick averaged 5.1 a carry and had an 80 yard. Hambricks two longest runs from scrimmage of his career were 80 and 62 yards. The longest run Barber has had from scrimmage is 52 yards. Barbers career best rushing performance was 142 yards compared to Hambricks career best of 189 yards. That 189 yard day by Hambrick was the 3rd greatest rushing performance in team history. Barbers strong points have been his power and determination. Two years ago his ability to pick up short yardage and keep the chains moving was second to none. My Hambrick/Barber comparison has to do with Barbers last few games not his career. The guy has obviously declined from where he was 2 years ago. He CLEARLY doesn't have the same burst or leg drive he once had. He's also gotten slower in the open field. He's hesitating and dancing around looking for a seam instead of doing what he use to do when there wasn't anything there and that was to lower his head and drive his legs and upper body into the pile and pull his way for the required yardage. You just don't see the burst, power and leg drive we once saw and that's because the heavier workload is starting to take it's toll on his body.

Injuries are starting occur and he's having trouble shaking them. These are all things that started happening to Earl Campbell. Two years ago comparing Barber to Hambrick was laughable but the last few games Barber has been looking Hambrick like. He's stumbling in the open field and he can't pick up an important yard. It's not looking pretty with him "right now". Barbers best rushing average the last 4 games has been 3.7 a carry. In the 14 games Barber has played this season he's been under 4 yards a carry in 7 of those games. Bottom line the Cowboys need a more productive, explosive back as their feature back. Barber is a role player and is best suited for the role we had him in prior to 08. It kept him healthy, fresh and he was scoring lots of TD's and was able to keep the chains moving when we needed an important yard on 3rd and 4th down. Right now he's a shell of the player he use to be.

Anyone can be stat hero in garbage time

 

[iceberg]

I wasn't the one who put the pirate ships in there. If you didn't even bother to read my post then why are you commenting? At least read the book before giving a review. Just stick with the topic.

NO!!! REALLY?????

you must be kidding me.

 

[iceberg]

Some here really crack me up. I asked one poster if he was indecisive and he said he wasn't sure. :

you talk to yourself much? : )

 

[KJJ]

How can you call a player a wasted pick after just 2 seasons? It generally takes 2-3 years for players to adjust to the NFL from college. Thats the problem with a lot of fans, they expect players to come in and just put up unreal stats right away.



did you ever think as of why he has been more productive? its probably bc he has started the past 2 years for the cowboys jv team down in Miami. when he was wittens backup he didnt anything more than what bennett has done. and personally i think bennet brings more to the table than the rain man fasano. bennett poses more problems for defensive coordinators

I said "so far"! Are you going to deny Bennett hasn't been a wasted #2 pick so far? His blocking has been good but his production is down from last season. They drafted him that high to catch passes not just to block. He was suppose a big part of our two TE passing game. He's dropped balls and he looks lazy. He seems more interested in streaming himself yapping on Twitter or doing ridiculous YouTube video's than concentrating on football. John Phillips can do what Bennett is doing. Personally I would have traded Bennett when we had the chance. The Cowboys don't know how to properly use their talent. It made absolutely no sense using TWO #2 picks on TE's within 2 years when you have a Pro Bowl TE in the prime of his career. Fasano is producing more in Miami than he was in Dallas because Miami doesn't have a Jason Witten on their roster.

 

[KJJ]

you talk to yourself much? : )

Stick with the topic or move on!

 

[iceberg]

Stick with the topic or move on!

the forum police they going into my mind...the forum police....

i'll post my way thank you.

 

[KJJ]

the forum police they going into my mind...the forum police....

i'll post my way thank you.

If you want to exchange wisecracks you're more than welcome to PM me.

 

[Preacha Mane]

I said "so far"! Are you going to deny Bennett hasn't been a wasted #2 pick so far? His blocking has been good but his production is down from last season. They drafted him that high to catch passes not just to block. He was suppose a big part of our two TE passing game. He's dropped balls and he looks lazy. He seems more interested in streaming himself yapping on Twitter or doing ridiculous YouTube video's than concentrating on football. John Phillips can do what Bennett is doing. Personally I would have traded Bennett when we had the chance. The Cowboys don't know how to properly use their talent. It made absolutely no sense using TWO #2 picks on TE's within 2 years when you have a Pro Bowl TE in the prime of his career. Fasano is producing more in Miami than he was in Dallas because Miami doesn't have a Jason Witten on their roster.

Yeah im going to deny it bc i dont see it that way. He has been an outstanding blocker, he has made some plays and yes hes dropped some passes, but everyone does. Bennett brings the element of size and speed to the table that DC have to prepare for. He is too big for CB and safties to cover and too fast for lb's. If he draws a little bit of extra attention then that opens up things for other players, which increases his value as a player. Besides you just said they dont know how to use their talent, which tells me that you know Bennett can be an asset to this team.And as you mentioned Fasano is making more plays bc he doesnt play behind witten, then there ya go theres your answer as to why bennett doesnt make a ton of big plays. Not to mention the fact Bennetts been banged up this year which has cut down on his opportunities.

And when it comes to your quandry of us drafting TE's in the second round so close together, Parcells is the only reason we drafted Fasano, he LOVED him. Why do you think Bill immediately traded for him when taking over the phins'. Also you have to have solid player that can pose a threat if your started goes down, which IMO bennett can do.

 

[tyke1doe]

Put me in the minority that sees him as a great back. He catches well, picks up the blitz, and fights for every yard.

He isn't 100%, the line is terrible blocking in short yardage situations, and RJ isn't maximizing his potential as a closer.

Who's RJ?

 

[casmith07]

I remember Troy Hambrick very well and if you have any recollection you'll remember almost every Cowboys fan out there wanted him to be the starter

Stopped reading right there.

 

[KJJ]

Stopped reading right there.

When Emmitt was showing obvious signs of decline almost every Cowboys fan out there wanted to see Hambrick as the starter because everytime he spelled Emmitt he made some very nice gains. As I mentioned he averaged 5.1 a carry in relief of Emmitt. I know it's hard to imagine now but at the time Hambricks play was once of the deciding factors in releasing Emmitt. Jerry said at the time he was comfortable going with Hambrick full time. That situation was very similar to when Barber was spelling Julius. Everytime Barber entered the game in relief of Julius he made plays and after awhile everyone wanted to see what he can do as a starter. Since he's become the starter he hasn't been as impressive as he was when he was backing up. It was the same thing with Hambrick. Funny how soon some of you forget. :

 

[KJJ]

Yeah im going to deny it bc i dont see it that way. He has been an outstanding blocker, he has made some plays and yes hes dropped some passes, but everyone does. Bennett brings the element of size and speed to the table that DC have to prepare for. He is too big for CB and safties to cover and too fast for lb's. If he draws a little bit of extra attention then that opens up things for other players, which increases his value as a player. Besides you just said they dont know how to use their talent, which tells me that you know Bennett can be an asset to this team.And as you mentioned Fasano is making more plays bc he doesnt play behind witten, then there ya go theres your answer as to why bennett doesnt make a ton of big plays. Not to mention the fact Bennetts been banged up this year which has cut down on his opportunities.

And when it comes to your quandry of us drafting TE's in the second round so close together, Parcells is the only reason we drafted Fasano, he LOVED him. Why do you think Bill immediately traded for him when taking over the phins'. Also you have to have solid player that can pose a threat if your started goes down, which IMO bennett can do.

He's been an outstanding blocker but the Cowboys drafted him in the second round to make plays in the passing game. You can draft blocking TE's later in the draft. Fasano was a good blocking TE he was drafted in part to help block for Bledslow but once he got benched Fasano became expendable. Parcells wanted Fasano because the kid works hard and is a Parcells type of player. I can't see Parcells wanting a lazy player like Bennett who has a poor work ethic. Parcells would have been all over Bennett. He simply hasn't produced this season and so far has not lived up to his draft status. We could have drafted Mario Manningham 34 picks later who's been very productive for the Giants. Bennetts rookie year he had 20 catches for 283 yards and 4 TD's. This season he's only produced 15 catches for 159 yards and no TD's. He's had trouble lining up in the correct spot and he's dropped balls. He sounds like an idiot in interviews. I honestly don't have a good feeling about him.

I bet if you took a poll on this board and asked how many would take a #2 pick for him right this moment it would be overwhelming in favor of it. He seems lazy and I just don't see the desire. A player can have all the athletic ability in the world but it means very little if they're lazy and don't want to work hard. There's alot of gifted players who don't pan out because they don't have a good work ethic. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys trade him during the offseason. John Phillips had one start all season against the Saints and had a better game than any game Bennett has had all season. When you have an outstanding TE in Jason Witten the Bennett selection made no sense. Bennett was suppose to be a big part our two TE offense this season and the fact that he's only produced 15 catches makes you wonder just how long he's going to be in the Cowboys plans.