Marion Barber=Troy Hambrick

[iceberg]

He's been an outstanding blocker but the Cowboys drafted him in the second round to make plays in the passing game. You can draft blocking TE's later in the draft. Fasano was a good blocking TE he was drafted in part to help block for Bledslow but once he got benched Fasano became expendable. Parcells wanted Fasano because the kid works hard and is a Parcells type of player. I can't see Parcells wanting a lazy player like Bennett who has a poor work ethic. Parcells would have been all over Bennett. He simply hasn't produced this season and so far has not lived up to his draft status. We could have drafted Mario Manningham 34 picks later who's been very productive for the Giants. Bennetts rookie year he had 20 catches for 283 yards and 4 TD's. This season he's only produced 15 catches for 159 yards and no TD's. He's had trouble lining up in the correct spot and he's dropped balls. He sounds like an idiot in interviews. I honestly don't have a good feeling about him.

I bet if you took a poll on this board and asked how many would take a #2 pick for him right this moment it would be overwhelming in favor of it. He seems lazy and I just don't see the desire. A player can have all the athletic ability in the world but it means very little if they're lazy and don't want to work hard. There's alot of gifted players who don't pan out because they don't have a good work ethic. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys trade him during the offseason. John Phillips had one start all season against the Saints and had a better game than any game Bennett has had all season. When you have an outstanding TE in Jason Witten the Bennett selection made no sense. Bennett was suppose to be a big part our two TE offense this season and the fact that he's only produced 15 catches makes you wonder just how long he's going to be in the Cowboys plans.

and? do you play in the flavor of the moment.

you can take a poll at any given time. last year we'd have traded jenkins for a box of wheaties.

we fire wade on a weekly basis.

fans have no accountability so going by what the "instant gratification fans" such as yourself want is no way to successfully run a team.

what makes no sense is when people think the latest shiney object will always be shiney till it isn't anymore then it always sucked and time to go.

you yourself say you're worried about what you see NOW.

long term thinking just isn't for you.

 

[AtlCB]

I don't recall Barber getting tackled by blades of grass. Barber is still tough to tackle; he just seems slower and isn't finding the hole. His problems are not the same problems hambrick had.

 

[KJJ]

and? do you play in the flavor of the moment.

you can take a poll at any given time. last year we'd have traded jenkins for a box of wheaties.

we fire wade on a weekly basis.

fans have no accountability so going by what the "instant gratification fans" such as yourself want is no way to successfully run a team.

what makes no sense is when people think the latest shiney object will always be shiney till it isn't anymore then it always sucked and time to go.

you yourself say you're worried about what you see NOW.

long term thinking just isn't for you.

I doubt very seriously if you took a poll last season you would have had alot of fans wanting to trade Jenkins. We saw flashes of his potential and now we're seeing it full force. You can see how improved he is after just one season but Bennett has taken a step backwards. You would think he would at least know where to lineup by now. The concern I have with Bennett is his immaturity. I've had a few chats with him on Twitter and the dude is on another planet somewhere.

 

[Preacha Mane]

He simply hasn't produced this season and so far has not lived up to his draft status. We could have drafted Mario Manningham 34 picks later who's been very productive for the Giants. Bennetts rookie year he had 20 catches for 283 yards and 4 TD's. This season he's only produced 15 catches for 159 yards and no TD's. He's had trouble lining up in the correct spot and he's dropped balls. He sounds like an idiot in interviews. I honestly don't have a good feeling about him.

I bet if you took a poll on this board and asked how many would take a #2 pick for him right this moment it would be overwhelming in favor of it.

He seems lazy and I just don't see the desire. A player can have all the athletic ability in the world but it means very little if they're lazy and don't want to work hard. There's alot of gifted players who don't pan out because they don't have a good work ethic.

Ok let me get this right... your saying he produced last year by scoring 4 td's right? but bc he hasnt put up those numbers again he is a wasted pick? In that case, Troy should have been cut or traded after his rookie year when we only won 1 game. Players are going to go through growing pains and the problem with fans like yourself is your not willing to be patient through those times to see what can come of the player. BTW what did Manningham do to help the Giants win last year?? he had 4 cathes for 26 yrds the whole year with 0 tds!

As far as your poll goes, ive noticed the lack of love towards bennett on here and id take that and use it as toliet paper for the simple fact that people are quick to pop off at the mouth when things are going wrong. Like berg pointed out... how many ppl on here have called for wades head, romo's, jenkins, newman's, etc.

You say he seems lazy and doesnt work hard, thats to you! Last year when hard knocks was airing and since then ive heard nothing but good things about bennett come out of the organization. Himself as well as coaches pointed out hes not a rah rah guy thats going to do a bunch of jumping up and down screaming b4 a game. But that doesnt mean he doesnt care. YOur going off of body language and sterotyping that as lazy/no work ethic. Ohh and whats an interview have to do with anything concerning playing football??

 

[KJJ]

Ok let me get this right... your saying he produced last year by scoring 4 td's right? but bc he hasnt put up those numbers again he is a wasted pick? In that case, Troy should have been cut or traded after his rookie year when we only won 1 game. Players are going to go through growing pains and the problem with fans like yourself is your not willing to be patient through those times to see what can come of the player.

What I'm saying is Bennett produced more his rookie year than he did this year. Where's the improvement from last year to this year? He's still having trouble lining up correctly that's basic football. You're trying to compare Troy's struggles his rookie year with Bennetts? Troy was a QB who was stuck on a talentless team that was terrible when he arrived. The Cowboys traded the best player the team had to the Vikings for a slew of draft picks and that move left Troy with literally no one to turn to in the backfield. Walkers departure left the Cowboys with no running game to help bail Troy out. To make matters worse Troy lost both his starting WR's for the season. Even with all that Aikman still showed the great potential that eventually help lead the Cowboys to 3 SB wins. Against the Cardinals that season Troy passed for a then rookie record 379 yards. Even as dreadful as that 1-15 season was you could clearly see the potential of Troy Aikman so much so that Steve Walsh was traded the very next season. Troy showed alot of improvement during his second year so I don't see anything comparable with Troy and Bennett. One of the problems with Bennett is the position he plays. We have a great TE ahead of him and as long as Witten is here it's going to limit Bennetts opportunities. John Phillips can do the job and the smart thing would be to trade Bennett for a player who could possibly start for us at position of need. Bennett is playing for a playoff team with a talented QB who's on the verge of passing for more yards than he ever has and there's no excuse for Bennett not being more productive in this offense.

BTW what did Manningham do to help the Giants win last year?? he had 4 cathes for 26 yrds the whole year with 0 tds!

He produced hardly anything "last" year but this year he produced 57 catches for 822 yards and 5 TD's. He torched the Cowboys for 10 catches and 150 yards in week 2. That was almost Bennetts season in one game. LOL You can see the vast improvement in Manningham from his rookie year to this year. Would you not take Manningham over Bennett if you could make that swap? I bet there's alot of fans on this board who would make that swap in a heartbeat and you're talking to one. Rookies are suppose to show at least some improvement from their first year to their second and Bennett has regressed.

 

[Daudr]

Who's RJ?

Red ***** aka Jason Garrett.

Imagine the ***** as a Christian diety - apparently it's considered a "dirty" word on this board.

 

[Preacha Mane]

haha the comparison of troy and bennett wasnt meant to be taken that serious. Of course your talkn about two totally different postions and teams. I made that statement to show that you cant give up on young guys as quick as your wanting to give up on bennett.

As far as the decrease in production, players are going to have off years and young guys are going to go through growing pains. Idk if its bc youve read over it the times ive mentioned it, if you just choose not to acknowledge it, or ive over looked your response, but you have to credit MartyB's decline in production to him being injuried and missing games.

All im tryn to say is you cant judge a player off of 2 season especially when that player hasnt had a ton of opportunities and has missed time due to injury. Time will tell.

 

[KJJ]

haha the comparison of troy and bennett wasnt meant to be taken that serious. Of course your talkn about two totally different postions and teams. I made that statement to show that you cant give up on young guys as quick as your wanting to give up on bennett.

As far as the decrease in production, players are going to have off years and young guys are going to go through growing pains. Idk if its bc youve read over it the times ive mentioned it, if you just choose not to acknowledge it, or ive over looked your response, but you have to credit MartyB's decline in production to him being injuried and missing games.

Hey you were the one who brought up Aikman and Bennett in the same breath. LOL Players are going to have off years but it's a concern when a second year player who didn't have a "great" rookie season takes a step back their second year. Coaches aren't going to be critical of Bennett to the media especially not Wade who has his players backs no matter how poorly they play. What Wade says to the media about a player means very little. He use to defend RW31 all the time no matter how bad he played. He refuses to say anything negative about RW11. If you bring up a drop Roy had Wade will bring up a catch he made. Jerry is the same way he never says anything negative about his players or coaches. If someone in the media points out a negative with the team Jerry will attempt to turn it into a positive. He's the ULTIMATE homer.

All im tryn to say is you cant judge a player off of 2 season especially when that player hasnt had a ton of opportunities and has missed time due to injury. Time will tell.

Bennett's missed some games but he hasn't produced in the games he's played in. His most productive game this season was 3 catches for 43 yards. John Phillips had 3 catches for 40 yards in one of his only starts and that was against the undefeated Saints. Bennett isn't getting alot of opportunities because he's not getting open and when he has he's dropped balls. The fact that he's had trouble lining up correctly says alot about his work ethic and that he's not a stickler for detail.

 

[Preacha Mane]

haha yeah i know i brought it up. it was an over the top statement lol it was to try n show you cant judge a player after one or 2 seasons. a better more realistic one would be vernon davis out of San Fran. When he came into the league his coaches wanted him to learn how to run smoother routes and then of course we all know about the singletary rant towards davis last year. He struggled early, but now that he has matured and has adjusted to the NFL he is 2nd in the league with 12 TDs.

Honestly i think phillips had a good game against the Saints bc he was the guy they were concerned about beating them. Im sure romo, austin, witten, barber, felix, etc were way ahead of phillips when it came to game planning. Im not trying to discredit his contribution to the game, bc he definately helped us win, but at the same time i dont think he brings as much to the table as bennet.

 

[Sickwitit]

ok so in your way of thinking we shoulda got rid of romo a long time ago, he sat on the bench and didnt do anything for us ohhh and also miles shoulda been long gone because he didnt come his rookie year and lead the league in catches and make the pro bowl right?? Seriously man you have to let these guys develop if anything theres proof in romo and miles that you have to let these guys adjust to the game and get better over time not right away. If any thing having a great tight end like witten for bennett to play under and learn is the best thing for him. just give him time bro.

 

[KJJ]

ok so in your way of thinking we shoulda got rid of romo a long time ago, he sat on the bench and didnt do anything for us ohhh and also miles shoulda been long gone because he didnt come his rookie year and lead the league in catches and make the pro bowl right?? Seriously man you have to let these guys develop if anything theres proof in romo and miles that you have to let these guys adjust to the game and get better over time not right away. If any thing having a great tight end like witten for bennett to play under and learn is the best thing for him. just give him time bro.

Here we go with another QB/TE comparison. What you're saying is not my way of thinking. Seriously man Romo was an undrafted FA QB who played for a division AA school. He wasn't signed to contribute his first or second season for crying out loud. LOL He was a project coming from such a small school and not having competed against top talent. The odds on an undrafted QB developing into a starting NFL QB is slim and none. There's only been 4 undrafted QB's to ever amount to anything Warren Moon, Kurt Warner, Joe Kapp and Jake Delhomme and now Romo. Matt Moore may have a chance to join that list who knows! Any QB is going to go through growing pains and it's going to take awhile for an undrafted QB to ever see the field in a regular season game. Bennett was a second round pick who was brought to Dallas to contribute immediately. Obviously he had some polish to him being drafted as high as he was. He did contribute last season but this season he's taken a step back. There's no question the guy has talent but he has to step up and improve his work ethic. As for Austin he worked his butt off to be a player in this league. He sounded mature from the day he got here. No one had to push him to work hard and now he's reaping the benefits. Kudos to him!

 

[Starsandstripes]

Barber has really had a hard time on running for gains on short yards recently.

I remember what Emmitt was saying about Marion. What he was speaking of at the time is showing right now.

 

[lspain1]

When Emmitt was showing obvious signs of decline almost every Cowboys fan out there wanted to see Hambrick as the starter because everytime he spelled Emmitt he made some very nice gains. As I mentioned he averaged 5.1 a carry in relief of Emmitt. I know it's hard to imagine now but at the time Hambricks play was once of the deciding factors in releasing Emmitt. Jerry said at the time he was comfortable going with Hambrick full time. That situation was very similar to when Barber was spelling Julius. Everytime Barber entered the game in relief of Julius he made plays and after awhile everyone wanted to see what he can do as a starter. Since he's become the starter he hasn't been as impressive as he was when he was backing up. It was the same thing with Hambrick. Funny how soon some of you forget. :

KJJ, you're taking a lot of heat but landing a few blows in the exchange of "ideas" IMO. Unlike a lot of others here who are are having an attack of selective memory I agree with this part of your reasoning. For this part of your argument, Barber resembles Hambrick.

I don't recall Barber getting tackled by blades of grass. Barber is still tough to tackle; he just seems slower and isn't finding the hole. His problems are not the same problems hambrick had.

Here is where most people disagree with the comparison and I will join in as well. I have seen a couple of instances where Barber has been tackled by blades of grass and I understand your "Barber resembles Hambrick" idea. That said, I agree with AtlCB (and you I think) that Barber has slowed down some. Barber has been affected by injury this season where Hambrick had the blades of grass problem even when healthy.

When Dallas cut Hambrick did he work another day in the NFL? If Dallas were to cut Barber, he would find a spot on another roster pretty easily.

 

[Yeagermeister]

When Dallas cut Hambrick did he work another day in the NFL? If Dallas were to cut Barber, he would find a spot on another else roster pretty easily.

He signed with AZ to be Emmitt's backup again. :laugh2:

 

[jackrussell]

When Emmitt was showing obvious signs of decline almost every Cowboys fan out there wanted to see Hambrick as the starter because everytime he spelled Emmitt he made some very nice gains. As I mentioned he averaged 5.1 a carry in relief of Emmitt.

That's a VERY broad statement there, and I don't recall that at all. There seemed to be more Emmitt hangeronners than anything, and most of them used Hambrick's bloated 5.1 yard avg (see 85 yard TD run) as an abberation.

Huge argument that if you took his big run away he wasn't that much better than Emmitt's avg.

 

[Alexander]

Bennett has been another wasted #2 pick so far. Fasano who we gave away to Miami has been more productive than Bennett the last two seasons.

Fasano also has started in Miami the last two seasons, so he is going to naturally produce more. I am not defending Bennett, who I feel is rapidly becoming an all glitz no substance disappointment, but comparing a starter and a mentally challenged backup flake is not exactly a fair comparison.

 

[DallasDomination]

It seems Barber was at the top of his game real fast after college and then shortly after fell off. It doesnt seem like his run lasted that long. Oh well a Power running back like that rarely does in todays NFL.

 

[KJJ]

Fasano also has started in Miami the last two seasons, so he is going to naturally produce more. I am not defending Bennett, who I feel is rapidly becoming an all glitz no substance disappointment, but comparing a starter and a mentally challenged backup flake is not exactly a fair comparison.

Fasano is a good player that's why Parcells wanted him and that's why he's starting. I liked Fasano when he was here. He made a TERRIFIC catch his rookie year against the undefeated Colts in 06 on a big third down that helped us eat up the clock and hang on to that win. It made no sense to me to practically give him away with another player for a 4th round pick then immediately turn around and use another second round pick on another TE. In the 2 seasons Fasano was in Dallas he put up 28 catches with Bledsoe and a developing Romo. That's only 7 catches fewer than Bennett has put up and we implemented a plan the entire offseason to utilize Bennett. Fasano doesn't have a Tony Romo throwing to him in Miami. He's had Pennington and he's having to deal with the growing pains of Henne. His Dolphins teams revolves alot around the wildcat formation and that team isn't as talented as the Cowboys. In my opinion the Cowboys would have been much better off keeping Fasano who was a very good blocker and using that #2 pick on a position of need. Manningham who was taken 34 picks after Bennett would have been a much better fit on this team than a lazy TE who sits around in his spare time acting like an idiot making stupid YouTube video's.

 

[zrinkill]

Man ...... who bumped this negative thread again.

 

[iceberg]

Man ...... who bumped this negative thread again.

mr " i see hambrick-people " himself.