Mark ingram 40

[realtick]

FYI you win by scoring points. Even if your defense holds the other team to zero your offense has to score to win the game.

We dont have people who can score in the red zone. Another year of slant plays to RW and OC getting cute with play calls inside the 10 yd line would be sad. And NO felix, Choice, and Barber are not the answer even if they had the greatest line blocking. Some RBs just have a knack for scoring unfortunely we dont have one.

Hilarious.

Where were you when in '09 when Felix averaged over 6 YPC; Choice over 5; and MBIII was averaging 4.4?

What happened in the span of one season? Did all three running backs (the oldest being just 27) just coincedently just tank in '10?

The reality is this team's offensive line got old quick.

You don't score in the redzone without an improved offensive line. You don't improve your run game without an improved offensive line.

To think Mark Ingram or any running back for that matter is going to step in with this current line and suddenly improve the team is nonsense.

Mark Ingram is not the answer to a poor offensive line.

 

[realtick]

Let's pretend we're picking from the 1990 nfl draft for this team. Do you want to take Richmond Webb (who incidentally was the 9th overall pick) or Emmitt Smith? Who makes a bigger impact? I'll take Emmitt.

You said it correct, "let's pretend."

Here's reality.

Mark Ingram is not Emmitt Smith. Saying he reminds you of him doesn't make it so.

This team's current offensive line is not the 90's offensive line

Any hypothetical questions incorporating Emmitt Smith and Richmond Webb is completely baseless.

Your whole angle is based off of one MAJOR assumption that you're forwarding as fact: Mark Ingram = Emmitt Smith

 

[realtick]

I just don't understand the love affair with Ingram.

I've never seen so much hubabaloo over a running back that failed to run for more than 900 yards in two of his three seasons.

Some would argue he's not even the best RB on his own team.

"He reminds me so much of Emmitt..."

I've seen this movie too many times over the years. Anytime an unspectacular, slow (relatively speaking) yet productive RB comes out college, he's supposedly the next Emmitt.

Anyone remember the lamenting over Michigan's Mike Hart when he came out?

 

[speedkilz88]

You said it correct, "let's pretend."

Here's reality.

Mark Ingram is not Emmitt Smith. Saying he reminds you of him doesn't make it so.

This team's current offensive line is not the 90's offensive line

Any hypothetical questions incorporating Emmitt Smith and Richmond Webb is completely baseless.

Your whole angle is based off of one MAJOR assumption that you're forwarding as fact: Mark Ingram = Emmitt Smith

Tyron Smith is no Richmond Webb either. Ingram is at least the closest you will find to Emmitt. The fact you wouldn't answer the question shows what the reality is.

 

[speedkilz88]

I just don't understand the love affair with Ingram.

I've never seen so much hubabaloo over a running back that failed to run for more than 900 yards in two of his three seasons.

Some would argue he's not even the best RB on his own team.

"He reminds me so much of Emmitt..."

I've seen this movie too many times over the years. Anytime an unspectacular, slow (relatively speaking) yet productive RB comes out college, he's supposedly the next Emmitt.

Anyone remember the lamenting over Michigan's Mike Hart when he came out?

6th round pick Mike Hart? C'mon that's the best you got? I remember Ray Rice the guy that a lot wanted to take in the 2nd instead of taking Felix or other back in the 1st.

 

[burmafrd]

No way is this guy another Emmitt. Not even in the same galaxy.

 

[realtick]

Tyron Smith is no Richmond Webb either. Ingram is at least the closest you will find to Emmitt. The fact you wouldn't answer the question shows what the reality is.

Speedy, the reason I don't bother answering the question is because it's not based in reality.

Emmitt Smith and Richmond Webb in 1990 have absolutely nothing to do with Mark Ingram and Tyron Smith or any other player you wanna name in the 2011 draft.

The fact that you're assuming Mark Ingram = Emmitt Smith as fact, is a departure from reality.

Look, if you like Mark Ingram and think he'll be a good, great or awesome player, I won't argue with you.

If you want to debate as if Mark Ingram = Emmitt Smith as if it's a fact, you're being ridiculous.

 

[TheFinisher]

Speedy, the reason I don't bother answering the question is because it's not based in reality.

Emmitt Smith and Richmond Webb in 1990 have absolutely nothing to do with Mark Ingram and Tyron Smith or any other player you wanna name in the 2011 draft.

The fact that you're assuming Mark Ingram = Emmitt Smith as fact, is a departure from reality.

Look, if you like Mark Ingram and think he'll be a good, great or awesome player, I won't argue with you.

If you want to debate as if Mark Ingram = Emmitt Smith as if it's a fact, you're being ridiculous.

I don't understand your point, of course Mark Ingram is not the same person as Emmitt Smith but as far as comparisons go Ingram looks like an Emmitt clone in everything he does. The reason you keep hearing the comparison to Emmitt is because it's an extremely accurate one.

 

[TheFinisher]

No way is this guy another Emmitt. Not even in the same galaxy.

I'd like to hear the major difference you see that makes the comparison so outrageous.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't understand your point, of course Mark Ingram is not the same person as Emmitt Smith but as far as comparisons go Ingram looks like an Emmitt clone in everything he does. The reason you keep hearing the comparison to Emmitt is because it's an extremely accurate one.

Yep, nobody I've seen is saying he's going to equal Emmitt. But he is the closest that you find to him with Ray Rice being the closest prior. Ingram should at least (imo and by the fact that Ingram is a 1st round talent) be better than Ray Rice which is pretty dang good.

 

[realtick]

6th round pick Mike Hart? C'mon that's the best you got? I remember Ray Rice the guy that a lot wanted to take in the 2nd instead of taking Felix or other back in the 1st.

Lol, what do you mean is that the best I got?

The fact you take umbrage with Mike Hart only proves my point. That is, every couple of years it seems like this guy is surely the next Emmitt Smith. And I assure you it surely was argued that Mike Hart was the next Emmitt in '08.

What's funny is, at least with Hart you had a guy with a prolific college career: Three seasons of at least 1350+ yards.

Again, Ingram is a guy who in three seasons had 728, 1658 and 875 yards.

With all the hubub you would think we were talking about Herschel Walker coming out of Georgia or even Darren McFadden.

You bring up Ray Rice. Fine. I think we could all agree that Ray Rice is a good/great running back. Is he Emmitt Smith though?

I say all of this with regret because it sounds as if I don't like Ingram as a player, which is entirely not true. I just don't think he's that great a back, let alone the next Emmitt Smith

 

[realtick]

I don't understand your point, of course Mark Ingram is not the same person as Emmitt Smith but as far as comparisons go Ingram looks like an Emmitt clone in everything he does. The reason you keep hearing the comparison to Emmitt is because it's an extremely accurate one.

To make a rough comparison is one thing. I see the resemblence to a certain extent.

To operate under the assumption as if they are one in the same is an entirely different thought. To further argue that we would be in effect passing up the next Emmitt is a notion that isn't based in reality.

 

[TheFinisher]

Lol, what do you mean is that the best I got?

The fact you take umbrage with Mike Hart only proves my point. That is, every couple of years it seems like this guy is surely the next Emmitt Smith. And I assure you it surely was argued that Mike Hart was the next Emmitt in '08.

What's funny is, at least with Hart you had a guy with a prolific college career: Three seasons of at least 1350+ yards.

Again, Ingram is a guy who in three seasons had 728, 1658 and 875 yards.

With all the hubub you would think we were talking about Herschel Walker coming out of Georgia or even Darren McFadden.

You bring up Ray Rice. Fine. I think we could all agree that Ray Rice is a good/great running back. Is he Emmitt Smith though?

I say all of this with regret because it sounds as if I don't like Ingram as a player, which is entirely not true. I just don't think he's that great a back, let alone the next Emmitt Smith

I can't remember any recent prospect that compares to Emmitt the way that Ingram does, who are you talking about?

 

[realtick]

Yep, nobody I've seen is saying he's going to equal Emmitt. But he is the closest that you find to him with Ray Rice being the closest prior. Ingram should at least (imo and by the fact that Ingram is a 1st round talent) be better than Ray Rice which is pretty dang good.

Lol, please.

When you pose the would you bypass Emmitt for Richmond Webb scenerio, you are completely implying that Mark Ingram is on par with Emmitt Smith.

If not, then why make the argument?

 

[TheFinisher]

To make a rough comparison is one thing. I see the resemblence to a certain extent.

To operate under the assumption as if they are one in the same is an entirely different thought. To further argue that we would be in effect passing up the next Emmitt is a notion that isn't based in reality.

You're assuming that people are arguing that Ingram will duplicate the success that Emmitt had in the NFL, which is simply not the case. When people say we'd be passing up the next Emmitt, they mean that Ingram has the same type of style and tendencies as a runner. Essentially, you know what you're getting with Ingram, a tough nosed smart runner who has tremendous balance and vision. Like Emmitt, Ingram won't be flashy but I guarantee he'll be highly productive for whichever team drafts him because of how he runs.

I think you're also underrating how good of a runner Ingram is, but that's your opinion I'm not going to argue that.

 

[realtick]

You're assuming that people are arguing that Ingram will duplicate the success that Emmitt had in the NFL, which is simply not the case. When people say we'd be passing up the next Emmitt, they mean that Ingram has the same type of style and tendencies as a runner. Essentially, you know what you're getting with Ingram, a tough nosed smart runner who has tremendous balance and vision. Like Emmitt, Ingram won't be flashy but I guarantee he'll be highly productive for whichever team drafts him because of how he runs.

I think you're also underrating how good of a runner Ingram is, but that's your opinion I'm not going to argue that.

It doesn't have to be explicitly stated that Ingram will have Emmitt's success. It's being implied. You don't compare a player to Emmitt and assume he'll have Curvin Richard's production.

The problem with a lot of Cowboy fans is that they have an underlying psychosis that constantly wants to attempt to resemble the 90s Cowboys.

That sounds great in theory, but unfortunately not possible in reality.

This team shouldn't be looking for players who resemble players of former glory days. Instead, they should be looking for great players who can start their own winning tradition in their own fashion.

Now we have a running back in Ingram that "resembles" a player of greatness from well over a decade ago, and at a position that is not hardly a need. But because he appears to be "the closest thing to Emmitt," we have people advocating taking him with our 1st round pick.

That's silly.

I don't think I'm underestimating Mark Ingram at all. I'm taking him and what he's accomplished for face value.

 

[speedkilz88]

It doesn't have to be explicitly stated that Ingram will have Emmitt's success. It's being implied. You don't compare a player to Emmitt and assume he'll have Curvin Richard's production.

The problem with a lot of Cowboy fans is that they have an underlying psychosis that constantly wants to attempt to resemble the 90s Cowboys.

That sounds great in theory, but unfortunately not possible in reality.

This team shouldn't be looking for players who resemble players of former glory days. Instead, they should be looking for great players who can start their own winning tradition in their own fashion.

Now we have a running back in Ingram that "resembles" a player of greatness from well over a decade ago, and at a position that is not hardly a need. But because he appears to be "the closest thing to Emmitt," we have people advocating taking him with our 1st round pick.

That's silly.

I don't think I'm underestimating Mark Ingram at all. I'm taking him and what he's accomplished for face value.

Even Parcells said that he looks at a player and compares him to previous guys he coached looking for the same abilities.

 

[speedkilz88]

Lol, please.

When you pose the would you bypass Emmitt for Richmond Webb scenerio, you are completely implying that Mark Ingram is on par with Emmitt Smith.

If not, then why make the argument?

No I wasn't. I was taking those guys out and inputing known quantities. Richmond Webb was an pro bowl LT but he sure wouldn't help this team more than Emmitt. Just like Tyron Smith (who isn't anywhere near the prospect of Webb by the way) isn't going to help the team more than Ingram.

 

[realtick]

No I wasn't. I was taking those guys out and inputing known quantities. Richmond Webb was an pro bowl LT but he sure wouldn't help this team more than Emmitt. Just like Tyron Smith (who isn't anywhere near the prospect of Webb by the way) isn't going to help the team more than Ingram.

Emmitt Smith and Richmond Webb have no relevance in any shape, form or fashion to the Cowboys presently or in the future.

Tyron Smith doesn't have to be better Richmond stinkin' Webb. He's simply got to be better than 2011's Marc Colombo.

I'm not sure what your fascination is with Tyron Smith is anyways. Ingram doesn't make Free, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, and Colombo better players.

Or running back trio was fantastic in '09. What was the issue in 2010?

Of course, I'm sure you'll assume he will. Based off of what though? His incredible college production? Or really, is it an assumption based off of him wearing #22 and resembling Emmitt Smith?

 

[speedkilz88]

Emmitt Smith and Richmond Webb have no relevance in any shape, form or fashion to the Cowboys presently or in the future.

Tyron Smith doesn't have to be better Richmond stinkin' Webb. He's simply got to be better than 2011's Marc Colombo.

I'm not sure what your fascination is with Tyron Smith is anyways. Ingram doesn't make Free, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, and Colombo better players.

Or running back trio was fantastic in '09. What was the issue in 2010?

Of course, I'm sure you'll assume he will. Based off of what though? His incredible college production? Or really, is it an assumption based off of him wearing #22 and resembling Emmitt Smith?

And what you will never get is that reaching for a "need" position will always come back to haunt you. Just like when Parcells reached for Carpenter and Jacob Rogers. Plus RT is a lot easier to find than a LT which the Cowboys have found. They may have one already on the roster with Young and they could easily find a real good one at #40 or a quality G/C.