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[CanuckCowboysFan]

I don't get the Emmit comparisons...

No offense, but I think if you took an average running back, put him behind the best offensive line in NFL history, gave him a hall of fame QB, a hall of fame receiver, one of the leagues top fullbacks, and an above average TE, he'd put up Emmit type numbers aswell.

Ingram reminds me of a MJD/Frank Gore.

 

[realtick]

And what you will never get is that reaching for a "need" position will always come back to haunt you. Just like when Parcells reached for Carpenter and Jacob Rogers. Plus RT is a lot easier to find than a LT which the Cowboys have found. They may have one already on the roster with Young and they could easily find a real good one at #40 or a quality G/C.

So your assumption is that any OL in the 1st is a reach?

Parcells didn't reach for Carpenter. At the time, the consensus was Carpentar was going to be a decent player. He simply turned out to be a bust.

Jacob Rogers wasn't a reach either. He was considered by many to be the 2nd best OT in the draft. What he did have was a history of injuries. It was simply a boneheaded pick by Parcells where they ignored all the red-flags.

Glibly thinking "hey, we'll just pick up a lineman or two in the middle rounds" is foolhearty. How did guys like Robert Brewster and James Marten work out for us?

The fact is this team is suffering currently because of its chronic reluctance to invest high draft picks in the offensive line.

Here are some bullet-points that illustrate what I'm talking about:

- Since 2004, the "best" offensive lineman Dallas has drafted is Doug Free, a fourth-rounder in 2007.

- Since 2005, they've drafted 48 players and Free is the most productive lineman of all those picks.

- The best O-lineman Dallas has taken in the last 10 years is Andre Gurode in 2002, whom they got in the second round.

- The Cowboys haven't drafted an offensive lineman within the first two rounds since 2004, when they picked Jacob Rogers out of USC. Rogers got hurt and was quickly out of the league.

- Before Gurode, the last offensive lineman the Cowboys picked who really panned out was the once-great Flozell Adams, who they grabbed in the second round … in 1998.

This is all really silly.

You're making a lot of unsubstantiated assumptions like "we can pick a quality G/C in the 40s...RT is easy to fill...Sam Young might be the answer" all in an effort to simply rationalize drafting a position that is obviously not a need to get a RB who you think is close-to or on par with Emmitt Smith.

Why are we not making this argument for drafting A.J. Green or Julio Jones with our 1st pick?

Finally, it's seems as if you think Mark Ingram would the feature back on this team as if Felix Jones and Tashard Choice didn't exist. The reality is Felix Jones isn't going anywhere and the same might be said about Tashard Choice. Even if we are to imagine Choice being jettisoned, you're advocating selecting Ingram (for all the wrong reasons highlighted above) to become a glorified part-timer along with Felix?

 

[Kevinicus]

I don't get the Emmit comparisons...

No offense, but I think if you took an average running back, put him behind the best offensive line in NFL history, gave him a hall of fame QB, a hall of fame receiver, one of the leagues top fullbacks, and an above average TE, he'd put up Emmit type numbers aswell.

Ingram reminds me of a MJD/Frank Gore.

You didn't watch the Cowboys in the 90's at all did you? Nobody who followed the team back then would say that with any seriousness.

 

[speedkilz88]

So your assumption is that any OL in the 1st is a reach?

Parcells didn't reach for Carpenter. At the time, the consensus was Carpentar was going to be a decent player. He simply turned out to be a bust.

Jacob Rogers wasn't a reach either. He was considered by many to be the 2nd best OT in the draft. What he did have was a history of injuries. It was simply a boneheaded pick by Parcells where they ignored all the red-flags.

Glibly thinking "hey, we'll just pick up a lineman or two in the middle rounds" is foolhearty. How did guys like Robert Brewster and James Marten work out for us?

The fact is this team is suffering currently because of its chronic reluctance to invest high draft picks in the offensive line.

Here are some bullet-points that illustrate what I'm talking about:

- Since 2004, the "best" offensive lineman Dallas has drafted is Doug Free, a fourth-rounder in 2007.

- Since 2005, they've drafted 48 players and Free is the most productive lineman of all those picks.

- The best O-lineman Dallas has taken in the last 10 years is Andre Gurode in 2002, whom they got in the second round.

- The Cowboys haven't drafted an offensive lineman within the first two rounds since 2004, when they picked Jacob Rogers out of USC. Rogers got hurt and was quickly out of the league.

- Before Gurode, the last offensive lineman the Cowboys picked who really panned out was the once-great Flozell Adams, who they grabbed in the second round … in 1998.

This is all really silly.

You're making a lot of unsubstantiated assumptions like "we can pick a quality G/C in the 40s...RT is easy to fill...Sam Young might be the answer" all in an effort to simply rationalize drafting a position that is obviously not a need to get a RB who you think is close-to or on par with Emmitt Smith.

Why are we not making this argument for drafting A.J. Green or Julio Jones with our 1st pick?

Finally, it's seems as if you think Mark Ingram would the feature back on this team as if Felix Jones and Tashard Choice didn't exist. The reality is Felix Jones isn't going anywhere and the same might be said about Tashard Choice. Even if we are to imagine Choice being jettisoned, you're advocating selecting Ingram (for all the wrong reasons highlighted above) to become a glorified part-timer along with Felix?

All you got is "they've missed on most all their middle round picks so lets reach for a guy in the top ten" and don't support that your picking a top ten player.:laugh2:

 

[realtick]

All you got is "they've missed on most all their middle round picks so lets reach for a guy in the top ten" and don't support that your picking a top ten player.:laugh2:

And all you have is zilch. Yet that doesn't stop you from incessantly and irrationally trying to work the Mark Ingram = Emmitt Smith angle.

You've got about a dozen posts in this thread and probably 1,200 words of complete nonsense.

Ask one of the mods if you can go back and revise each one of your posts to simply say "waaaaah, I hate reality. I want Mark Ingram no matter whuuuut!" because that's all you've effectively said.

 

[TheFinisher]

I don't get the Emmit comparisons...

No offense, but I think if you took an average running back, put him behind the best offensive line in NFL history, gave him a hall of fame QB, a hall of fame receiver, one of the leagues top fullbacks, and an above average TE, he'd put up Emmit type numbers aswell.

Ingram reminds me of a MJD/Frank Gore.

C'mon man!