Mark My Words (MMW): Draft Edition

[Cowboyny]

Good post, but I think Jeanty is about as can’t miss as it gets at the RB position. As long he doesn’t go to a team that doesn’t have a terrible OL I’d be shocked if he doesn’t run for 1200ish yards as a rookie.

My adds:

- Pearce could be a better Edge in the pros than Carter

- Walker is overrated

- Josh Simmons will the best OT from this class

- Jahdae Barron MIGHT be Brian Branch

- Harmon will have a similar career to Graham

- Scourton will be a bust

- Shemar Stewart will be a much better pro than college player

I think many are sleeping on Pierce as an edge rusher, I have some reservations as a run defender, but he is no doubt an elite rusher

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

What do you think happens for at least next 2 years (while he is putting on the weight) to the defense with 2 DEs at below 250 lbs in Pearce and Parsons?

Parsons was 243 when drafted and 246 now in 3 years

This is a recipe for disaster

We have not seen what he shows up at (weight wise) the Combine.

He also has a much bigger frame (purported to be 6’-4” to 6’-5”) than Parsons. I don’t think he has any issue getting to 260+ lbs.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I don’t understand so much love for Henderson, his vision is questionable at best and has durability concerns

Tyler Warren is another player who is getting overrated, Bowers was the far better prospect and it isn’t close.

Where are you getting this with his (Henderson) vision? He averaged 7.1 YPC last year. Are you suggesting he left meat on the bone, lol?

Bowers is a glorified h-back in the Cris Cooley mold. That’s not a slight on him but treating him like he’s a typically sized TE is apples-to-oranges.

 

[cnuball21]

What do you think happens for at least next 2 years (while he is putting on the weight) to the defense with 2 DEs at below 250 lbs in Pearce and Parsons?

Parsons was 243 when drafted and 246 now in 3 years

This is a recipe for disaster

You’re equating size to run defense instead of actual ability and metrics…Tank was small when he was drafted and he’s been the best run defending DE in football for several years.

Also - with a quality NFL strength program and diet 15 pounds in 6-9ish months is not difficult at all.

 

[cnuball21]

Where are you getting this with his (Henderson) vision? He averaged 7.1 YPC last year. Are you suggesting he left meat on the bone, lol?

Bowers is a glorified h-back in the Cris Cooley mold. That’s not a slight on him but treating him like he’s a typically sized TE is apples-to-oranges.

Agree - Henderson is RB2 for me and I’ll die on that hill if I need too.

He has arguably more juice than anyone in the class and is also above average as a receiver and in pass pro.

 

[visionary]

You’re equating size to run defense instead of actual ability and metrics…Tank was small when he was drafted and he’s been the best run defending DE in football for several years.

Also - with a quality NFL strength program and diet 15 pounds in 6-9ish months is not difficult at all.

Micah has put on 3 lbs in 3 years and Green will put in 18 in 1 year?

DLaw wasnt the 12 pick

 

[cnuball21]

Micah has put on 3 lbs in 3 years and Green will put in 18 in 1 year?

DLaw wasnt the 12 pick

Micah has put on 3 lbs in 3 years and Green will put in 18 in 1 year?

DLaw wasnt the 12 pick

I don’t see what Micah has to do with anything so that’s completely irrelevant.

And I’ve been talking mostly about Pearce who has an easy frame to bulk up. Yes, him getting up to 260ish in a year is completely feasible.

 

[Cowboyny]

Where are you getting this with his (Henderson) vision? He averaged 7.1 YPC last year. Are you suggesting he left meat on the bone, lol?

Bowers is a glorified h-back in the Cris Cooley mold. That’s not a slight on him but treating him like he’s a typically sized TE is apples-to-oranges.

Talk to osu fans they will say the same thing about Henderson, he also has durability concerns which is why they brought in Junkins. No doubt he had a good playoff run, but there is a reason why he isn’t being considered a 1st rd prospect.

As for Warren, I live in Pa and my sister in law is a Penns state alum, have watched every game he has played. He is a player that needs some development as a route runner and as a blocker. I think he eventually will be a good player, but I don’t think it happens right away. If you are going to consider a 1st rd te, he better be ready to make a impact now, which is why those h back types have had an easier transition then those true te prospects

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Talk to osu fans they will say the same thing about Henderson, he also has durability concerns which is why they brought in Junkins. No doubt he had a good playoff run, but there is a reason why he isn’t being considered a 1st rd prospect.

As for Warren, I live in Pa and my sister in law is a Penns state alum, have watched every game he has played. He is a player that needs some development as a route runner and as a blocker. I think he eventually will be a good player, but I don’t think it happens right away. If you are going to consider a 1st rd te, he better be ready to make a impact now, which is why those h back types have had an easier transition then those true te prospects

Talk to fans?

I can see with my own eyes.

RBs that supposedly don’t have vision don’t average more than 6.8 YPC in two different seasons.

I don’t know what your contention is about him. I’m not advocating for taking him at #12. That said, I definitely could see a team at the backend if R1 drafting him.

 

[Cowboyny]

Talk to fans?

I can see with my own eyes.

RBs that supposedly don’t have vision don’t average more than 6.8 YPC in two different seasons.

I don’t know what your contention is about him. I’m not advocating for taking him at #12. That said, I definitely could see a team at the backend if R1 drafting him.

He plays on a loaded offensive team, where he shares the carries with another back. Has missed several games on the college level which all suggests he isn't able to become a bell cow type of back. In my opinion, he is more of a weapon like a Kamara then he is a traditional running back. If you draft him, you are going to have to pair him up with another runner and limit his touches.

He could very well get drafted in rd 1, but probably to a team that already has a stable back to add more explosiveness to their positional group.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

He plays on a loaded offensive team, where he shares the carries with another back. Has missed several games on the college level which all suggests he isn't able to become a bell cow type of back. In my opinion, he is more of a weapon like a Kamara then he is a traditional running back. If you draft him, you are going to have to pair him up with another runner and limit his touches.

He could very well get drafted in rd 1, but probably to a team that already has a stable back to add more explosiveness to their positional group.

I don't disagree with most of that. However, fans that need a "traditional" RB need to get their heads out of the 90s. Teams should be multiple at RB. I'm not interested in giving a single back 22-30 carries a game. You should have some sort of rotation (doesn't have to be 50/50) where you're keeping your RBs fresh.

What Henderson is a dynamic playmaker ala J. Gibbs in Detroit. A guy that can flip the field which is what Tony Pollard offered most of his career here pre-injury. If he's there in the 2nd round, I wouldn't blink if we drafted him.

 

[Cowboyny]

I don't disagree with most of that. However, fans that need a "traditional" RB need to get their heads out of the 90s. Teams should be multiple at RB. I'm not interested in giving a single back 22-30 carries a game. You should have some sort of rotation (doesn't have to be 50/50) where you're keeping your RBs fresh.

What Henderson is a dynamic playmaker ala J. Gibbs in Detroit. A guy that can flip the field which is what Tony Pollard offered most of his career here pre-injury. If he's there in the 2nd round, I wouldn't blink if we drafted him.

Pollard is a good example, a situational type of back. These type of players have had durability issues on the NFL level. He worked best as a #2 back with limited touches throughout a game. Gibbs is another example, he has Montgomery taking on most of the inside the tackle runs. Kamara had Ingram do the same. Pollard had Zeke.

Adams our new OC and former Cardinals OL Coach said he wants a physical run game. Look at his backs with Arizona: James Connor, Trey Benson. Big physical, power type of backs. Cowboys have always had that bell cow with a change of space type, Pollard, Randall, McFadden, etc. Remember, both Pollard and Randall were day 3 picks, I can see that happening more then taking Henderson first and then more of a every down workhorse type.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Pollard is a good example, a situational type of back. These type of players have had durability issues on the NFL level. He worked best as a #2 back with limited touches throughout a game. Gibbs is another example, he has Montgomery taking on most of the inside the tackle runs. Kamara had Ingram do the same. Pollard had Zeke.

Adams our new OC and former Cardinals OL Coach said he wants a physical run game. Look at his backs with Arizona: James Connor, Trey Benson. Big physical, power type of backs. Cowboys have always had that bell cow with a change of space type, Pollard, Randall, McFadden, etc. Remember, both Pollard and Randall were day 3 picks, I can see that happening more then taking Henderson first and then more of an every down workhorse type.

You mean the workhorse David Montgomery that got injured last year? He was done after Week 14 and Gibbs proceeded to reel off three straight 100+ games in his place, averaging 121 yards/game on 21 carries. That’s not including the playoff game where he ran for another 105 yards and 2 TDs.

Kamara’s been w/the Saints since 2017. Ingram left New Orleans after 2018, so the claim that he was reliant on Ingram is overstated and inaccurate.

RBs get injured. Name your favorite RB and his list of injuries can be pointed out.

If your contention is He detain should be paired with another RB, I agree.

 

[cnuball21]

I don't disagree with most of that. However, fans that need a "traditional" RB need to get their heads out of the 90s. Teams should be multiple at RB. I'm not interested in giving a single back 22-30 carries a game. You should have some sort of rotation (doesn't have to be 50/50) where you're keeping your RBs fresh.

What Henderson is a dynamic playmaker ala J. Gibbs in Detroit. A guy that can flip the field which is what Tony Pollard offered most of his career here pre-injury. If he's there in the 2nd round, I wouldn't blink if we drafted him.

Im with you…He feed on would’ve have stupid production if his vision wasn’t good.

Also as good as Gibbs is he’s still
splitting caries in Det.

Henderson is a weapon…he doesn’t need 30 carries a game to justify an early pick. I’m ready to use our 2nd on him bc I think he’s that big of a playmaker.

 

[Cowboyny]

You mean the workhorse David Montgomery that got injured last year? He was done after Week 14 and Gibbs proceeded to reel off three straight 100+ games in his place, averaging 121 yards/game on 21 carries. That’s not including the playoff game where he ran for another 105 yards and 2 TDs.

Kamara’s been w/the Saints since 2017. Ingram left New Orleans after 2018, so the claim that he was reliant on Ingram is overstated and inaccurate.

RBs get injured. Name your favorite RB and his list of injuries can be pointed out.

If your contention is He detain should be paired with another RB, I agree.

My point is, he has to be in a two back system as he won’t hold up.

 

[cnuball21]

My point is, he has to be in a two back system as he won’t hold up.

In todays NFL that is perfectly fine…pair Hendo up with Rico or someone like Martinez and let’s ride.

 

[Cowboyny]

In todays NFL that is perfectly fine…pair Hendo up with Rico or someone like Martinez and let’s ride.

You have to pair him up, at is my point.