Martellus Bennett has 15 catches this season.

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nyc;3200047 said:
Phillips' catches very well could come down to defenses not respecting him as an option. I'm pretty sure if they thought he could do real damage, they would shut him down. Bennett gets a lot more defensive attention on the field than Phillips does.

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Phillips seems to be a nice player but I don't think Phillips rookie season comes anywhere close to Bennett's rookie season. I understand that Bennett only has 15 catches but he is only the 2nd TE and he plays behind a Pro Bowler. :eek: If he's not providing pass protection, he is probably the 3rd or 4th option at best on a pass play. Who's receptions do you want to take away to give to Bennett? I'd rather have Romo continue to target Austin, Witten, Crayton and even Williams before Bennett.


Bennett did receive a lot of hype coming out of training camp from the Dallas media but that is not Bennett's fault. :cool:
 

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Hostile;3200147 said:
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I am of the opinion that Bob Sturm is smarter than many critics understand.

He has become my favorite football writer this year. The guy is smart and backs up his conclusions with facts. Many in the media could take lessons from him.
 

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JBond;3200154 said:
He has become my favorite football writer this year. The guy is smart and backs up his conclusions with facts. Many in the media could take lessons from him.
Many fans too. I know I have this year.
 

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JBond;3200117 said:
There have been several articles by Bob Strum that talk about the effectiveness of the "12" and "22" packages and his role in those packages. Apparently according to the articles he is doing what is asked of him for the most part. He has had a couple of drops but so has every player on the team. He is rarely the main target for Romo because of how effective Witten and Austin have been. Those who want to complain about his 15 catches need to remember how many catches Austin had in the previous 3 seasons combined. It is way to early to give up on this guy.
It's not his catches and lack of TD's I'm upset with. It's him not making the most of his opportunities. He's had some drops, ran the wrong route a few times, and I question his route running (although on this one I'm not sure of, but Romo seems off-target with him so I'm just making an assumption).

He just hasn't been efficient with this opportunities. That's what I'm upset with. Not his numbers.
 

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chuffly;3200119 said:
Oh, I agree that he has regressed some. When I watch him play, he reminds me of Roy in that he never looks like he's where he is supposed to be in his routes and he's not doing a great job of catching the ball.

My problems with him exactly.

The goofy spin move on a fade route early in the season (Denver?) didn't help much either.

And that's why I wouldn't care if he had only 15 catches if it was just a matter of limited opportunities, or that's all anyone is asking him to do.

But it hasn't been. He's been given opportunities and blown them.

He was supposed to be a huge end zone target for us this year, and considering our red zone struggles that would have been a huge asset for us. But he lost coaches and QB trust early, and that's cost the team.


I'm not saying everyone here is labeling Marty B a bust, but a few people seem to be hinting at it.
Not calling him a bust yet either. But when the offer was there to trade him some laughed at getting a 1st or 2nd rounder for him like it was ridiculous, when so far it clearly would have been a steal.
 

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Hostile;3200157 said:
Many fans too. I know I have this year.

I know I've gone back to his blog posts a number of times. The stats he keeps track of is some good stuff.
 

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wileedog;3200170 said:
Not calling him a bust yet either. But when the offer was there to trade him some laughed at getting a 1st or 2nd rounder for him like it was ridiculous, when so far it clearly would have been a steal.

According to Hos though, that trade never existed (well at least not in the form speculated). So I'm not really losing sleep over that to be honest.
 

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bbgun;3200095 said:
Indeed he is, which explains why we took him in the sixth round and not the second. Oh wait.

Still the expectations and subsequent disappointment really aren't merited.
A waste of pick can be argument can ensue, I suppose but he's here and that's that, why expect something great from one of the games best's back up?
 

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chuffly;3200178 said:
According to Hos though, that trade never existed (well at least not in the form speculated). So I'm not really losing sleep over that to be honest.

Whether it did or it didn't, the point was there was a large majority who clearly valued his worth as more than a 1st or 2nd round pick.

I think even if Bennett was playing lights out you could make the argument he is not, if for no other reason the presence of Jason Witten on this team.
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3200052 said:
Regarding Marty, I really think if he were on another team, and was the focus guy, then he'd do really well. See Fred Davis in Washington for an example. I don't think Marty is motivated by his role. That isn't me excusing his (lack of) production. Just stating what I think is holding him back.
Interesting point and I could see Bennett reacting like that.

He is a supremely gifted athlete, no question. And it is clear he has a very high opinion of himself. He might just be bored and what we get here is just a natural side effect of his talent. But he could be an absolute nightmare if he applied himself.
 

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Hostile;3200096 said:
Sometimes I think I'm all alone on an island not giving a dang about individual stats as long as the team is winning. I'm drinking coconut milk and listening to the surf. The only time I really care about individual numbers is when milestones are reached. Like Witten climbing up the TE receptions list. Or Romo setting team yardage, attempts and completion records. I think we've become too married to fantasy football production and lose sight of the important stat and that is winning.

...a Debbie Downer and take away our chance to clatter on our keyboards and exhibit our armchair GM tendencies?
 

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davidyee;3200273 said:
...a Debbie Downer and take away our chance to clatter on our keyboards and exhibit our armchair GM tendencies?
Do you want me to say yes? :D
 

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Hostile;3200277 said:
Do you want me to say yes? :D

...I just wanted to let you know that the Cowboys would be nothing without my solidly unsupported opinions. :p:

So there!:moonbart:
 

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I will also say that I expected more from Bennett this season and I am also disappointed by the drops and penalties. I do think the drops are a symptom of trying to do too much and that he needs to just focus on making the catch. His blocking is superb and he shows great enthusiasm for this part of the game. When he is in the game, we have generally been very effective and I think our best formations are without a FB. That is 2TE/2WR/1RB and 3WR/1TE/1RB. I haven't been a big fran of 2TE/1WR/1RB/1FB but maybe the numbers show otherwise on that formation.

I don't mind spending a high pick on a 2nd TE if he is going to be used on that many snaps. I would however have probably picked one a round or two later if we were looking at the second TE as mostly a blocker, though. However, I don't think that is Garrett's intention in the long run.

In terms of Phillips, he has played well. He seems to be football smart. He is a very good blocker as both a TE and when he lines up as a FB. He has sure hands and does not look like a stiff out there at all when he is receiving. I think given what he has shown, it won't be too long before we start getting him to serve a role as something other than a release valve for Romo.

To me, we really have 3 good TEs and I do think we need all 3 of them. Some are angry with Bennett's lack of progression this year as an ominous sign and point to players like Austin and Jenkins who progressed each year. However, I want everyone to think of Anthony Spencer. Spencer actually played a bit as a rookie when Ellis was injured and played pretty well in 2007. Then Ellis came back and Spencer took the backseat for about 1.5 years and almost seemed to be regressing. I know people were quite down on him after the Ravens game last year when he was one of the major reasons they had those two long runs at the end of the game. Then he had that offseason issue and some wanted to kick him off the team. So here you have another guy who shows some promise and then seems to regress. However, the talent was still there and the coaches knew it and persevered with him and now with renewed dedication he has emerged as a force. I do think Bennett deserves the same consideration because he obviously has the talent and I do think football matters a great deal to him.

You see, the thing that makes me think Bennett is going to be good as he has the athleticism to catch the ball and has shown in the past that his hands can be good they are just inconsistent in game situations right now. This is the part of the game that someone who only seeks the limelight is going to focus on but in Bennett we actually see the opposite. It is the thankless blocking role that he excels at and he seems happy about his teammates' production and does not whine about his numbers. He is a team player. This makes me believe that when he learns to relax (like he did in preseason) when he is the target, he will emerge as a force in the receiving front as well. I think the focus he needs will come with maturity and time.

If the right offer comes along like a mid-first rounder, I would trade him. For a late second, I might but I'm not sure we're going to get a better player. For a 4th and a thug, I'll pass. I'm still convinced Bennett is a good player right now and I still see some star potential there. I think the versatility and explosiveness that we seek from this offense will depend on the development of Felix and Bennett more than improving the #2 WR position.
 

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dude can't catch.
isn't very bright.
and is a bust in the making.

like I said 8 months ago.

gimme Phillips every day, all day, especially Sunday.
 

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OMG! Anthony Spencer only had 4.5 sacks in his first two seasons.

Splat.
 

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CowboyWay;3200063 said:
15 catches isn't too bad when you consider he also had 100,000 Tweets.

LOL! That's funny no matter what anyone says.

chuffly;3200086 said:
Wasn't Vernon Davis a bust before this year?

With all that said, Marty B has been a major disappointment this year. He may not be getting a lot of opportunities, but some of that is because he isn't doing a lot with the opportunities he has been getting.

Yep. Until this year everyone thought Vernon Davis was an enormous bust. Now there are people just falling in love with the guy. Not necassarily anyone on these boards but you get the picture.


Hostile;3200096 said:
Sometimes I think I'm all alone on an island not giving a dang about individual stats as long as the team is winning. I'm drinking coconut milk and listening to the surf. The only time I really care about individual numbers is when milestones are reached. Like Witten climbing up the TE receptions list. Or Romo setting team yardage, attempts and completion records. I think we've become too married to fantasy football production and lose sight of the important stat and that is winning.

Winning is all I care about. If before the season someone told me Dallas would go 11-5 and have a shot to do something in the playoffs but the trade off was that Bennett would only have 15 catches, no TDs, and would be making some fans upset I'd have taken it all day long and never thought twice about it.
 

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Eskimo;3200288 said:
I will also say that I expected more from Bennett this season and I am also disappointed by the drops and penalties. I do think the drops are a symptom of trying to do too much and that he needs to just focus on making the catch. His blocking is superb and he shows great enthusiasm for this part of the game. When he is in the game, we have generally been very effective and I think our best formations are without a FB. That is 2TE/2WR/1RB and 3WR/1TE/1RB. I haven't been a big fran of 2TE/1WR/1RB/1FB but maybe the numbers show otherwise on that formation.

I don't mind spending a high pick on a 2nd TE if he is going to be used on that many snaps. I would however have probably picked one a round or two later if we were looking at the second TE as mostly a blocker, though. However, I don't think that is Garrett's intention in the long run.

In terms of Phillips, he has played well. He seems to be football smart. He is a very good blocker as both a TE and when he lines up as a FB. He has sure hands and does not look like a stiff out there at all when he is receiving. I think given what he has shown, it won't be too long before we start getting him to serve a role as something other than a release valve for Romo.

To me, we really have 3 good TEs and I do think we need all 3 of them. Some are angry with Bennett's lack of progression this year as an ominous sign and point to players like Austin and Jenkins who progressed each year. However, I want everyone to think of Anthony Spencer. Spencer actually played a bit as a rookie when Ellis was injured and played pretty well in 2007. Then Ellis came back and Spencer took the backseat for about 1.5 years and almost seemed to be regressing. I know people were quite down on him after the Ravens game last year when he was one of the major reasons they had those two long runs at the end of the game. Then he had that offseason issue and some wanted to kick him off the team. So here you have another guy who shows some promise and then seems to regress. However, the talent was still there and the coaches knew it and persevered with him and now with renewed dedication he has emerged as a force. I do think Bennett deserves the same consideration because he obviously has the talent and I do think football matters a great deal to him.

You see, the thing that makes me think Bennett is going to be good as he has the athleticism to catch the ball and has shown in the past that his hands can be good they are just inconsistent in game situations right now. This is the part of the game that someone who only seeks the limelight is going to focus on but in Bennett we actually see the opposite. It is the thankless blocking role that he excels at and he seems happy about his teammates' production and does not whine about his numbers. He is a team player. This makes me believe that when he learns to relax (like he did in preseason) when he is the target, he will emerge as a force in the receiving front as well. I think the focus he needs will come with maturity and time.

If the right offer comes along like a mid-first rounder, I would trade him. For a late second, I might but I'm not sure we're going to get a better player. For a 4th and a thug, I'll pass. I'm still convinced Bennett is a good player right now and I still see some star potential there. I think the versatility and explosiveness that we seek from this offense will depend on the development of Felix and Bennett more than improving the #2 WR position.

Good post. He's certainly got talent as he's shown before:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?id=14CB805B-C8BD-D9D6-AD4E86F8FA8CC1FE

Hopefully he can eventually harness it all. At least he seems to have the blocking down, which like it or not is a pretty huge part of the responsibilities of his position.
 

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BraveHeartFan;3200305 said:
Yep. Until this year everyone thought Vernon Davis was an enormous bust. Now there are people just falling in love with the guy. Not necassarily anyone on these boards but you get the picture..

Vernon Davis got a coach that busted his ***.

Anyone see Wade pulling on Bennett what Singletary did on Davis?
 
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