Marvez: Cowboys Used Senior Bowl As Intelligence Experiment

[big dog cowboy]

So we get us some more Caleb McSurdy types?

Just another 7th round/FA player we drafted. All 32 teams do this not just us.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Football is a very simple game. Garrett just doenst get it. Thats why he gets beat week in and week out by guys a lot dumber than him.

I thought the general consenses is that JG is the dumbest HC in the league.

 

[BAT]

LOL.... Really, this was a job interview and not about winning a football game. Nobody cared who won the game. This was about
who is ready to be an NFL player and who isn't. You have to have more than athletic talent to succeed in the NFL and the Cowboys
now have a pretty good idea who does at least on their side of the ball.

That's the problem with Garrett and all his supporters, care too much about the process, RKG, or whatever else he's borrowed from Coach K, Bellichick or Jimmy. Garrett needs to place more value in production, in winning.

Jimmy liked smart guys but he valued winners even more.

 

[DandyDon52]

I don't think note taking is really the best test of smarts.

yes I agree, even if all the players were studious , some would be better than others at note taking, but they would
not for sure be the better players.

 

[DandyDon52]

I thought the general consenses is that JG is the dumbest HC in the league.

some would say that, but I think he is in the middle, just avg
In fact at HC position most of the 32 are pretty similar, and not all that good at it.
Some are good at offense or defense though , so they are better than the ones that are avg at that too.
I think JG is a little below avg in offense and defense, so that might put him a little below avg as HC.

There are a few that are above the rest.

 

[Bullflop]

I don't think note taking is really the best test of smarts.

It would be a pretty good indication of how well they listen, though. Having something to refresh their memories months removed from the experience can be valuable as well.

 

[kazzd58]

Unless your last name is Jones.

lolol

 

[CowboyRoy]

Wrong. If the Cowboys DIDN'T use that opportunity to get a leg up in evaluations they would have been absolute idiots. They had ZERO, literally zero obligation to showcase those kids' talents. Their college careers have done all the talking about their play that needs to be said at that point. The Cowboys coaching staff knew all they needed to know about these kids' physical talent through scouting and coaching them throughout the week. They got insight that NO OTHER TEAM in the league got that week: how smart is this guy and does his talent align with his football smarts?

At least you can say you learned something today and were humbled. Here are Garretts own words on the senior bowl:

THE GAME MATTERS: Most NFL staffers headed out of town after Thursday's practices, but North coach Jason Garrett of the Dallas Cowboys said the game still is probably the most important gauge. Garrett says he and his staff watch the tape "over and over and over again." ''It's really important to see guys in the meeting room and see how they respond," Garrett said. "It's important to see how they respond in the walk-through. It's important to see how they practice. But ultimately it's about evaluating them in the game."

 

[CowboyRoy]

I am not defending Garrett at all. Frankly, I wish he had been fired. But I don't see anything wrong with his approach to how he handled practices and dealing with the team that week. I am not programmed like some of you to just ****** ***** about every single thing Garret does.

But the fact is, you went on and on about how important the game results are, about winning, etc............... and the guy you want to hate is apparently the only freaking coach in the entire league who apparently thinks there is real value in the game performances.

This isn't rocket science. You made a big deal about the game performance, want to rip Garrett and yet Garrett agrees with you and puts emphasis in the Senior Bowl game performance.

Here's the reality. Most teams and scouts put more emphasis on the practices and interviews than the actual game. Garrett for some reason puts a lot of emphasis on the game results. The whole issue with how he got the players to digest the playbook for the week is inconsequential at this point.

Ok, lets just agree that the practices are very important. No issue there. More important than most of these type of events. But the game does matter and its the coaches job to get them ready to play and win the game. Perform well. People are watching and scouting. So am I nit picking about Garrett? Sure, but you know what.................he lost another game he coached. And maybe the reason was that the other team had playbooks and he had some bad note takers on his team with no playbooks.

So lets just say I jumped the gun on the senior bowl thing. But to me, its just another coaching decision where Garrett tries to act smart and his team pays the price on the field. Nothing genius to me.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I thought the general consenses is that JG is the dumbest HC in the league.

Football dumb, I dont think intelligence dumb. He has no feel for the game. No 6th sense about it. Like Jerry Jones, he takes from others and parrots what they do but doesnt truly understand why and when to use it. Always a step behind instead of step ahead. No creativity what so ever in his game plans or in game management. Long on theory and short on application. Does that clarify my opinion better?

 

[Kevinicus]

It would be a pretty good indication of how well they listen, though. Having something to refresh their memories months removed from the experience can be valuable as well.

I dunno. I think people listen a lot better when they're not taking notes. I certainly do.

 

[Bullflop]

I dunno. I think people listen a lot better when they're not taking notes. I certainly do.

Possibly, but if they DO take notes, they'll have something to refer to over time and not be hindered by their recollection of what was said being forgotten or foggy.

Stanford linebacker, Blake Martinez, commented on that very thing and mentioned this being helpful to him after his time at the Senior Bowl with the Dallas staff was over with.

 

[Alexander]

Just another 7th round/FA player we drafted. All 32 teams do this not just us.

He was also considered a smart, intense player that picked up things fast. Tragically, he could not keep up athletically. That is what I was alluding to.

 

[Alexander]

Possibly, but if they DO take notes, they'll have something to refer to over time and not be hindered by their recollection of what was said being forgotten or foggy.

Stanford linebacker, Blake Martinez, commented on that very thing and mentioned this being helpful to him after his time at the Senior Bowl with the Dallas staff was over with.

It needs to be weighed appropriately. I would hate it if the coaching staff falls in love with a player because they did well in the study hall sessions, but the scouts have a different grade based on the tape. The tape should trump everything.

But when coaches get involved late in the process and start falling in love with certain players, that can be problematic.

 

[Alexander]

"Learning is a really interesting thing to study and one of the things that we always talk about is the importance of writing things down," Garrett explained Wednesday while at the NFL Scouting Combine. "Years ago my understanding is Paul Brown didn't give out playbooks. They made their own playbooks as it went along.

"So we kind of took a little bit of that approach during the week of the Senior Bowl - is bring those guys in and we'll install stuff on the board. We'll ask those guys to follow along in their notebooks, write the stuff down and take the notes necessary to understand what we're asking them to do in all three phases and so that was the approach that we took for the most part and I thought it was good. It was good to be able to see how they could respond to that and learn in that environment."
http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...on-garrett-give-senior-bowl-players-playbooks

 

[conner01]

Lots of high school and college teams do it this way.

And Garrett got the idea from Paul Brown
It's really nothing new in football, just another way to see what a player is capable of

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Jason was assuming a lot: for one that players could actually write. And, if so, that they knew how to take notes. Likely these athletes, Martinez, excluded, were tutored, mentored and hovered over by grad assistants at their universities and . . . phffffffft, note taking . . . that's for suckers and regular students.

You might say I am cynical, because i am, mates, but at least I am realistic.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

And Garrett got the idea from Paul Brown
It's really nothing new in football, just another way to see what a player is capable of

A better method would be to give each a cake recipe and ingredients. Can they follow instructions? Can they read? Do they know measurements? Can you operate an oven? All these things take aptitude, mates. But if someone leaves the cake out in the rain, they'll never have that recipe again. Again.

 

[Parcells4Life]

This is NOT true. I've talked to 2 of the players on the North team and Carson Wentz said today in his PC that the playbooks they were given had basic plays in them. Not sure what the disconnect is in this statement or why the kid would say this.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So it is Romo who is calling all the plays

Come on...... you always suspected as much. It's OK to admit it.

;-)