Marvez: Cowboys Used Senior Bowl As Intelligence Experiment

[noshame]

Give me a guy who shows up to practices rested and ready to work every day. A guy who gives me 60 minutes evey game and coach him up! It would be a new concept for us on offense.

But that does explain the outcome of the senior bowl

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes they are run by people like every general manager and scouting director in the NFL that feels that the Senior Bowl is as valuable as a preseason game and the practices and interviews leading up to the game mean the most.

Most of these players have years worth of file for scouts to dissect, they could care less about a game where players are subbing in and out like a preseason or Pro Bowl game.

Care less? I doubt it. If a QB goes 3-15 with two picks and doenst move the ball as compared to 15 for 18 with 2 TD's that will certainly be noticed and noted.

Now is the practice part more important than other bowls or what not? For sure.

 

[warroom]

Too bad they didn't do that with Mo. We would have avoided that dumpster fire

You do understand that Morris Claiborne has a learning disability... right? The 4 on the Wonderlic test had everything to do with how his brain processes written language and absolutely nothing to do with his overall character or intelligence. He doesn't read or probably write as efficiently as you or I might. There no correlation between this skill set and playing CB for an NFL team.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/What-you-should-know-about-Claibornes-test-score

 

[CowboyRoy]

They're just trying to see if these players can execute under normal conditions in Dallas with normal minimum coaching.

They have play books in Dallas do they not? I guess you are saying that it was all about evaluation and nothing to do with the players showcasing their abilities for scouts? Sorry, I just cant wrap my head around that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You do understand that Morris Claiborne has a learning disability... right? The 4 on the Wonderlic test had everything to do with how his brain processes written language and absolutely nothing to do with his overall character or intelligence. He doesn't read or probably write as efficiently as you or I might. There no correlation between this skill set and playing CB for an NFL team.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/What-you-should-know-about-Claibornes-test-score

There is a correlation between a learning disability and a possible confidence problem. Which he apparently had here in Dallas. And we traded up for that guy? Its insane.

 

[CowboyRoy]

LOL. For those claiming the Senior Bowl game, itself, is really important. Note from this article from the AP that most teams leave after the practices are over, but there is one team that puts a ton of value in the actual game results..........



Hahahaha. So after ripping Garrett and saying the game is the best gauge of the talent here, it seems the one team who actually puts more value in the game than practices is......... the Cowboys.

Wow.........So it looks like the exact guy you were trying to defend just flushed your theory about the game down the toilet.

So either Garrett is a moron or people do watch the film from the games for scouting purposes? Which is it?

 

[MikeT22]

They have play books in Dallas do they not? I guess you are saying that it was all about evaluation and nothing to do with the players showcasing their abilities for scouts? Sorry, I just cant wrap my head around that.

It doesn't really make sense to me either. I'm sure there are other ways of finding out if a player is intelligent. And my post was sort of tongue in cheek about the lack of coaching we have on our staff.

 

[warroom]

There is a correlation between a learning disability and a possible confidence problem. Which he apparently had here in Dallas. And we traded up for that guy? Its insane.

Confidence problem because he couldn’t read well or because he kept being burnt on double moves? I’d be interested in reading the differential diagnosis…

 

[CowboyRoy]

Confidence problem because he couldn’t read well or because he kept being burnt on double moves? I’d be interested in reading the differential diagnosis…

Well, Im not a doctor, but I would think that having a learning disability might give you some insecurities. You might be more apt to crawl back into victim mode and feel sorry for yourself when something happens bad to you. He got hurt and got burnt a few times and all of a sudden its happening all over again. Maybe he was having trouble getting down the coverages or the scheme because of that. We can only guess.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Lots of high school and college teams do it this way.

Then we certainly would qualify!
The note-taking idea is gold!

 

[warroom]

Well, Im not a doctor, but I would think that having a learning disability might give you some insecurities. You might be more apt to crawl back into victim mode and feel sorry for yourself when something happens bad to you. He got hurt and got burnt a few times and all of a sudden its happening all over again. Maybe he was having trouble getting down the coverages or the scheme because of that. We can only guess.

If this is what you think people living with disabilities think, you my friend have issues that this thread can't address...

"I would think that having a learning disability might give you some insecurities. You might be more apt to crawl back into victim mode and feel sorry for yourself when something happens bad to you.

My recommendation would be that you go spend some time in the pediatric ward of any major hospital or better yet a local VA hospital. Let me know how may people seeking to be "victims" you run into. As for this discussion - I'm done.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Maybe after the note-taking experiment, Jason will get out of the habit of calling all his players "intelligent."

 

[BigStar]

One of the reasons they loved Chaz Green was because he took notes during his initial interview with Pollack and was then able to go back to them when they interviewed him again later. Seems like they're trying to apply that strategy to the entire draft.

So THAT was why RB was neglected in the 3rd? This makes it even worse...

 

[CowboyRoy]

If this is what you think people living with disabilities think, you my friend have issues that this thread can't address...

"I would think that having a learning disability might give you some insecurities. You might be more apt to crawl back into victim mode and feel sorry for yourself when something happens bad to you.

My recommendation would be that you go spend some time in the pediatric ward of any major hospital or better yet a local VA hospital. Let me know how may people seeking to be "victims" you run into. As for this discussion - I'm done.

I had a brother with a learning disability so thank you. And I have a mother that at times can play the victim because certain things in her childhood. Dont presume to know me or anyone else on here. And take note of my words like "might" and "I am not a doctor".

Yah, this conversation is over.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So THAT was why RB was neglected in the 3rd? This makes it even worse...

They would rather have an injury prone, GREAT NOTE TAKING guard, then a great RB that doesnt take notes and needs a play book. LOL

 

[802dave]

It is odd though. Observers noted Dallas ran the better practices, up tempo and energetic, the South less structured and regimented.

On the other hand, the South team obviously used a playbook and won the game. Who wins is not important of course, but the two approaches were very different.

I suppose it helps identifying the smarter players, etc. But sometimes the smarter players are not the better players.

I am more of a fan of molding the scheme around the players, not try to find players that fit the scheme.

Being coachable is a separate construct to me, that their ability to take notes. Everyone learns differently.

And then sometimes we out-think and outsmart ourselves. Finding the RKG's, smart guys, etc is not a bad idea, but then you have to find the guys that lined up and beat the guy across from them consistently. Guys like Zach Martin that started 4 years in a major program. It the Boys were doing it right all along, they'd have had more success than they've had.

I agree with you! Sometimes the smarter players are not the better players.

 

[LittleD]

This is a lot of hogwash. If you want to test someone's "intelligence" then stick to the Wonderlic....that's what it's there for. The Senior Bowl is for these kids to showcase their talent and the coaches jon is to help these kids prepare for the Senior Bowl. Not throw a pop quiz on them from Day 1.

And I agree at some point the cream rises. If Garrett had some skins or some success, maybe I'd be more forgiving and folks would look at this as something innovative. At the end of the day, the kids didn't perform well enough to win. Matter of fact, from the looks of things, they didn't perform very well at all. Your coach should help you win but Garrett has shown the same thing at the Senior Bowl that he has in 5 years as a HC; he offers you no coaching advantage on gameday. Garrett was just being Garrett and fans like you will fawn over his "innovative" ways to do things that still end up as a loss.

Nonsense. The Wonderlic only shows that you can study questions for a test. Most of these players study tests that provide
past Wonderlic questions. These don't test the ability to read, understand, and act on concepts, plays and formations. The coaches
want to know if these kids can think well and reason. Football at the NFL level is much more than x's & o's.

 

[ajk23az]

If the Patriots did this, everyone would be praising how unique and genius it is.

 

[VACowboy]

Then we certainly would qualify!
The note-taking idea is gold!

It's actually a good way to teach the fundamentals of an offensive system.

 

[LandryFan]

I think it's stupid for a number of reasons and it's just another example of a coach that thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. I'm not sure how you properly evaluate players on the field when some of those players may not know the plays. Sure, it may tell you which players are more book smart or have better study habits but it won't tell you which player can pick up the playbook, learn it and execute it.

And it also strikes me as very selfish (for lack of a better term) on Garrett's part. These players are playing for their future and their livelihoods. The least our red headed dolt can do is to get these kids prepared to play and execute in front of scouts and other NFL teams. There was only a limited amount of time to practice and it just seems like wasted time trying to get the team on the same page. It's really not surprising to me Garrett's team lost and Wentz and company looked so ineffective. Just stupid.

I see your point, but I had a completely different take on the tactic. For one, every player there was a Senior, so most, if not all had played college ball for four years. No scout/GM worth a sack of beans is going to put much stock into the actual results of one "all-star" game...that's what four years of collegiate football was for...that's where all the real value is. About the only thing of value in these types of games, and even the combine, is getting a first hand look at their work ethic, their athleticism, measurables, and so on. I think it was shrewd of JG to try to evaluate some things that wouldn't otherwise get evaluated. I sure would not change my opinion of a player one way or the other based on how he played in one all star game. It would be the other things I would be looking for, and I think that's what Garrett did. That's just my amateur opinion.