Matt Jones to Dallas??

[dbair1967]

I don't really agree with this. I will say that I don't know if your wrong about Jones, you may be right but I will say that one thing he does is catch TDs at better then the average rate. Matt Jones scores TD 13.7% of the time he makes a catch. If you compare this to some of the top WRs here is what you see.

Matt Jones 13.7 TD Ratio , 102 Rec, 14 TDs, 1392 Yds.


Here are the top 10 active WRs and there TD ratios. Also, included some of the stats that are comparable in the first 3 seasons. The rest were unreal from the start.

Marvin Harrision 11.8 TD Ratio
Ike Bruce 8.5 TD Ratio
Keenan McCardell 7.1 TD Ratio , 24 Rec, 4 TDs, 374 Yds.
TO 10.3 TD Ratio
Tony Gonzales TD Ratio 8.9
Torry Holt 8.8 TD Ratio
Randy Moss 10.6 TD Ratio
Eric Moulds 6.4 TD Ratio, 116 Rec, 11 TDs, 1941 Yds.
Mushin Muhammed 7.5 TD Ratio, 120 Rec, 7 TDs, 1665 Yds.
Hines Ward 9.0 TD Ratio, 124 Rec, 11 TDs, 1556 Yds.

Just as a point of referance, here are the 3 top Rec leaders all time.

Jerry Rice 12.7 TD Ratio
Cris Carter 11.8 TD Ratio, 89 Rec, 18 TDs, 1450 Yds
Tim Brown 9.0 TD Ratio, 62 Rec, 8 TDs, 998 Yds

thats all well and good, but they have been trying to replace him basically since he got there...they thought so much of him this yr that they signed a Raider headcase to a huge deal and then traded for a Jones-esque bust in Troy Williamson..

there are a handful of players that no matter how bad they suck, people in this forum will make every excuse in the books for him...Matt Jones is one of those players

he's proven he cant play...I'd rather give the chance to others who havent

David

 

[jobberone]

I don't think Jones sux. He is inconsistent and I don't know why. And he has that very laid back personality. I think with the right coaching he can be a solid #2 or #3 WR. I don't think he's an answer for us but I would rather have him than Crayton. He's faster and bigger and does catch TDs. He would also add a big problem for defenses in the red zone with his size. We don't have anything like him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

thats all well and good, but they have been trying to replace him basically since he got there...they thought so much of him this yr that they signed a Raider headcase to a huge deal and then traded for a Jones-esque bust in Troy Williamson..

there are a handful of players that no matter how bad they suck, people in this forum will make every excuse in the books for him...Matt Jones is one of those players

he's proven he cant play...I'd rather give the chance to others who havent

David

Maybe he can play, maybe he can't. There are plenty of WRs who didn't realy develop until there 3rd or 4th year. I don't know that they have been trying to get rid of him or not. I know this. He's had three different QBs and two different OCs since he's been there. I don't think you can say that he will or won't be a good player. I think it's too early to tell as yet. Too many WRs figure it out in there 3rd or 4th year. Not saying you are wrong. I'm saying there's no way to tell that for sure, as yet. One thing is for sure. He catches TDs.

 

[dbair1967]

I don't think Jones sux. He is inconsistent and I don't know why. And he has that very laid back personality. I think with the right coaching he can be a solid #2 or #3 WR. I don't think he's an answer for us but I would rather have him than Crayton. He's faster and bigger and does catch TDs. He would also add a big problem for defenses in the red zone with his size. We don't have anything like him.

all that amazing talent, yet they team thats had him for 3yrs cant contain themselves with trying to replace him...wonder why that is?

the guy just cant play WR...he cant get open...he doesnt have quick feet...and for all that great "speed" he has, he's never had a play over 49yds in the NFL...he was a classic late in the game Gil Brandt type pick and was overdrafted by 4 or 5 rounds

David

 

[dbair1967]

Maybe he can play, maybe he can't. There are plenty of WRs who didn't realy develop until there 3rd or 4th year. I don't know that they have been trying to get rid of him or not. I know this. He's had three different QBs and two different OCs since he's been there. I don't think you can say that he will or won't be a good player. I think it's too early to tell as yet. Too many WRs figure it out in there 3rd or 4th year. Not saying you are wrong. I'm saying there's no way to tell that for sure, as yet. One thing is for sure. He catches TDs.

he's caught 13 in 3yrs...big whoopee...Crayon has almost the exact same numbers in terms of a td every 7-8 catches

Crayton was a 7th rd pick from an NAIA (or some low division) school...he was a project...he hardly played his rookie yr...yet he has more catches, higher yds per catch, more big plays, more tds and more catches for first downs than Jones...this again is a classic case of people always wanting somebody elses garbage without thinking things through...Crayton has actually improved every yr in the league, Jones has gotten worse and they cant wait to replace him (and ultimately IMO, release him)...they gave him every opportunity to do something, and he never has

There are probably 20-25 WR's in this draft (and maybe more) that deserve a chance here before Matt Jones

David

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

he's caught 13 in 3yrs...big whoopee...Crayon has almost the exact same numbers in terms of a td every 7-8 catches

Crayton was a 7th rd pick from an NAIA (or some low division) school...he was a project...he hardly played his rookie yr...yet he has more catches, higher yds per catch, more big plays, more tds and more catches for first downs than Jones...this again is a classic case of people always wanting somebody elses garbage without thinking things through...Crayton has actually improved every yr in the league, Jones has gotten worse and they cant wait to replace him (and ultimately IMO, release him)...they gave him every opportunity to do something, and he never has

There are probably 20-25 WR's in this draft (and maybe more) that deserve a chance here before Matt Jones

David

Jones has the speed to fit the need that we have at WR. I'm not all in favor of getting him, however i'm not sure you can say he won't work for us.

 

[Jake0]

hopefully this is just another random rumor... this guy would make cowboy fans rip their full head of hair out with his dropped passes and overall pansiness.

 

[lane]

Jones has the speed to fit the need that we have at WR. I'm not all in favor of getting him, however i'm not sure you can say he won't work for us.

agreed..

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

he's caught 13 in 3yrs...big whoopee...Crayon has almost the exact same numbers in terms of a td every 7-8 catches

Crayton was a 7th rd pick from an NAIA (or some low division) school...he was a project...he hardly played his rookie yr...yet he has more catches, higher yds per catch, more big plays, more tds and more catches for first downs than Jones...this again is a classic case of people always wanting somebody elses garbage without thinking things through...Crayton has actually improved every yr in the league, Jones has gotten worse and they cant wait to replace him (and ultimately IMO, release him)...they gave him every opportunity to do something, and he never has

There are probably 20-25 WR's in this draft (and maybe more) that deserve a chance here before Matt Jones

David

I don't disagree that Crayton has done well. I don't disagree that he catches TDs well. However, that doesn't change the fact that Crayton can't do what a WR like Jones may be able to do. Crayton can not stretch the field. Simple as that. Further, your comparisons to Crayton don't validate the issue. At this point in Jones' career, you can not say for a fact that he is or is not going to turn into a good player. If you wish to continue with this position, that's fine but it's not any sort of definative statement on Jones, the player. It is your opinion and you are entitled.

Jones may or may not be a good WR. Had we followed the advice you support now, with Crayton, he would be gone and religated to a player that could not play. Crayton is developing into a good WR. I doubt he will ever be great but he is progressing. I mean, honestly, your comparing Crayton to this player with an additional season under his belt and a full year of starting experience.

At this point, I don't think anybody here can tell one way or the other.

 

[Stash]

I think something worth factoring in is what kind of coaching Matt Jones has received in Jacksonville.

Anyone ever hear of receivers coach Todd Monken before?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think something worth factoring in is what kind of coaching Matt Jones has received in Jacksonville.

Anyone ever hear of receivers coach Todd Monken before?

There have been changes in Jax on the coaching staff. You bring up a good point IMO. Not because I know if he is good or not but you know that whatever the coaching, it has not been present or consistant since he has entered the NFL. I think the other thing you have to consider is the fact that the offense, in Jax, is run first. Jax is one of the very few teams, in the NFL who actually have more offensive running plays then passing plays offensively. Jax ran 522 run plays vs 469 pass plays last season.

They were the second leading rushing team in the NFL last year. I mean, if you look at all of there WRs for the last few years, Nobody had more then 45 catches on the team. Ernest Wilford had 45, Northcutt had 44, Williams had 38, Lewis had 37 and Jones had 25. Also have to remember that 5 games with injuries last year.

I mean, even if you look at previous years, in 06, high man for Jax was Williams with 52 catches. Second was Jones with 41, Wrighster with 39 and Wilford with 36.

Year before that, it was Jimmy Smith with 70, Wilford with 41, Jones with 36 and Williams with 35. Smith was really the last big season they had for WRs. The next year, Jones-Drew was drafted and Jax started throwing to him a lot.

I don't know that the drop in production is really anything more then just a injury filled season. I don't know. I just think there are reasons for why Jones has developed the way he has. Not saying that he will ever be great but I think he's far from having a good situation in which to become a good WR.

 

[ZB9]

certainly not a "wow" move

Stanback, Hurd, and Miles have better potential than Matt Jones imo