Matt Jones Video of his QB play back in Arkansas

[Bob Sacamano]

Wow.

Seriously...
is Matt Jones like your cousin? ... or baby daddy?

Just not seein' why that bum is worth all this.... lol

hitting post 100 is the only noteworthy thing to happen in this thread

 

[Stash]

then it's a moot point? ok, that's I wanted to hear

Yeah, a moot point made into some big deal - by you.

I just wonder why you have so much faith in Ray Sherman, but feel that we have to upgrade from the WRs he's currently developing...

Because none of them have the size and raw ability that this guy does. None of them have run a 4.38, none are 6'6" tall. None of them were heralded big game players like Jones was. And none of them have shown as much as Jones has.

having a career year, doesn't necessarily mean it was a good one, just the best one that particular player has ever had, the point is that every WR on the Jag roster stepped up their game, whle Matt Jones went backwards

Like 2006 was for Jones? Jones was in the coaches' doghouse for the 2007 season, so he got little chance to show what he could or couldn't do. He did get to play in that one game and played well, but you don't like to hear about it.

Was it deserved? Who knows? Del Rio and Monken obviously thought so. But my opinion is that I have little respect for their opinions on receivers, given the track record in Jacksonville.

They let their leading receiver from 2007 walk out the door and brought in two more 'answers'. That doesn't scream that Monken's doing such a good job down there to me.

no 50 catch, at least 700 yard receiving season, a TD total of 5, 3 years ago

dude would be walking if production merited vehicles

And if Crayton doesn't fall into a starting role? He's got a grand total of 7 TD's over three years.

I hope you're not suggesting that Matt Jones is the better player? he's not even the 4th best receiver on his own team

He put up better numbers during the same span of his career than Crayton did - with less surrounding talent. That's fact. Based on that, it's reasonable to think he could put up better numbers than Crayton in the same situation.

Switch roles, where would Crayton rank in Jacksonville right now? Starter? I don't think so.

He wouldn't have to replace Crayton, but merely add to what's already here. I'm not arguing over #2 or #3 receiver.

 

[Stash]

Wow.

Seriously...
is Matt Jones like your cousin? ... or baby daddy?

Just not seein' why that bum is worth all this.... lol

That's fine.

You're entitled to your opinion.

You cross your fingers on Terry Glenn and the rest of the question marks.

:crossed:

I'm looking for alternatives.

 

[Stash]

hitting post 100 is the only noteworthy thing to happen in this thread

And yet you stick around and keep coming back.....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, a moot point made into some big deal - by you.

you point your fingers at me, and say, "look, he's the bad guy"

Because none of them have the size and raw ability that this guy does. None of them have run a 4.38, none are 6'6" tall. None of them were heralded big game players like Jones was. And none of them have shown as much as Jones has.

you don't have to be 6'6", and run a 4.38 to be a physical specimen, Austin is a great talent too

heralded, big-game player? when??

Like 2006 was for Jones? Jones was in the coaches' doghouse for the 2007 season, so he got little chance to show what he could or couldn't do. He did get to play in that one game and played well, but you don't like to hear about it.

he played ok in that one game, not well enough to convince anyone that he's legit, and he landed in the dog-house because he wasn't performing well in practice or in games

Was it deserved? Who knows? Del Rio and Monken obviously thought so. But my opinion is that I have little respect for their opinions on receivers, given the track record in Jacksonville.

They let their leading receiver from 2007 walk out the door and brought in two more 'answers'. That doesn't scream that Monken's doing such a good job down there to me.

maybe Matt Jones wasn't getting it? isn't that possible?

And if Crayton doesn't fall into a starting role? He's got a grand total of 7 TD's over three years.

but he did, and played quite well

He put up better numbers during the same span of his career than Crayton did - with less surrounding talent. That's fact. Based on that, it's reasonable to think he could put up better numbers than Crayton in the same situation.

Switch roles, where would Crayton rank in Jacksonville right now? Starter? I don't think so.

He wouldn't have to replace Crayton, but merely add to what's already here. I'm not arguing over #2 or #3 receiver.

I doubt it since Matt Jones isn't as consistent as Crayton is

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And yet you stick around and keep coming back.....

I'm the bad guy!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm looking for alternatives.

the 5th/6th WR from some other team?

good job, guy

did some research, and the supposedly field-stretching Matt Jones has a career ypc of 13.8, Crayton's is 14.3, his long is 63

Matt Jones' is 49, hell, Crayton also has longs of 59 and 53

 

[dooomsday]

the 5th/6th WR from some other team?

good job, guy

did some research, and the supposedly field-stretching Matt Jones has a career ypc of 13.8, Crayton's is 14.3, his long is 63

Matt Jones' is 49, hell, Crayton also has longs of 59 and 53

Yeah, I posted similar earlier. Matt Joneses has a grand total of 3 plays in his career longer than 40 yards. And if 49 is his long then all 3 of his career BIG plays are between 41-49 yards. He's a possession wr with size and questionable heart.

Which would put him #3 on our team!

 

[Stash]

the 5th/6th WR from some other team?

good job, guy

did some research, and the supposedly field-stretching Matt Jones has a career ypc of 13.8, Crayton's is 14.3, his long is 63

Matt Jones' is 49, hell, Crayton also has longs of 59 and 53

Those are excellent numbers and really surprising to be honest. I could try to counter with talk about style of offense etc. but that sounds like an excuse and I'm not looking to make excuses.

Crayton's ypc numbers are surprisingly high.

That's an excellent point.

I still think Jones can add a speed element, but I can't take anything away from Crayton's numbers.

I guess he's more of a 'deep threat' than I thought.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, I posted similar earlier. Matt Jones has a grand total of 3 plays in his career longer than 40 yards. And if 49 is his long then all 3 of his career BIG plays are between 41-49 yards. He's a possession wr with size and questionable heart.

Which would put him #3 on our team!

And that would be fine with me, expecially if you can get your #3 receiver for a late round draft choice.

And a 25 year old one at that.

This team needs youth at receiver, why not get youth with experience?

 

[joseephuss]

And that would be fine with me, expecially if you can get your #3 receiver for a late round draft choice.

And a 25 year old one at that.

This team needs youth at receiver, why not get youth with experience?

Dallas does have their #3 wide receiver and got him for a late round pick. His name is Patrick Crayton. They are searching for a #2 receiver. It may take until next off season to find him. Matt Jones is not a #2 receiver. He may make a good #4 for Dallas, but he is not worth a late round pick at this time. Dallas is better served holding onto that late round pick because it can be used in a trade to get the #2 guy the want. It is pretty simple. Wait until Jones gets cut and then try to sign him to come in and compete.

 

[jobberone]

Jones does not appear to be able to stretch the field. I admit I'm not entirely certain about that. I've heard despite his speed he does not get separation deep. Whether they are just not sending him...because he can't stretch or they just think he can't..I don't know the reason. All the rest has been beat to death. I still believe the kid's normal demeanor is creating problems for him....but I don't think that's the sum total of why he's having problems. As in most all things...there is truth on both sides of the coin.

It seems to me a lot of the problem is people are just not happy with what we have after TO. And I can understand that. I do think it is not as bad as some think but I do think there are problems.

 

[joseephuss]

Jones does not appear to be able to stretch the field. I admit I'm not entirely certain about that. I've heard despite his speed he does not get separation deep. Whether they are just not sending him...because he can't stretch or they just think he can't..I don't know the reason. All the rest has been beat to death. I still believe the kid's normal demeanor is creating problems for him....but I don't think that's the sum total of why he's having problems. As in most all things...there is truth on both sides of the coin.

It seems to me a lot of the problem is people are just not happy with what we have after TO. And I can understand that. I do think it is not as bad as some think but I do think there are problems.

At this point those problems are not easy to address. The only chance that it can truly be addressed is through a big trade. That may or may not happen. It is possible that it happens next off season.

Until then Dallas has to count on the receivers already in the fold. If those guys don't show anything during training camp and pre-season, then they can pick up someone that is cut late in pre-season. Really the only options at this point. A small trade for a Matt Jones or similar wide receiver is not a definitive answer at this point. It is just the same question minus a draft pick.

 

[jobberone]

At this point those problems are not easy to address. The only chance that it can truly be addressed is through a big trade. That may or may not happen. It is possible that it happens next off season.

Until then Dallas has to count on the receivers already in the fold. If those guys don't show anything during training camp and pre-season, then they can pick up someone that is cut late in pre-season. Really the only options at this point. A small trade for a Matt Jones or similar wide receiver is not a definitive answer at this point. It is just the same question minus a draft pick.

My thoughts as well. Hopefully one or more of our WRs will step up. We haven't had a Tony Hill or Butch Hobson in a while (perhaps it's because I'm getting senile). I'm hoping TG is going to help until we get a replacement.

 

[Stash]

At this point those problems are not easy to address. The only chance that it can truly be addressed is through a big trade. That may or may not happen. It is possible that it happens next off season.

That's definitely the preferable choice, although it doesn't look like it's a realistic one. Not this year anyway. That's part of the reason I would make this deal now.

Until then Dallas has to count on the receivers already in the fold. If those guys don't show anything during training camp and pre-season, then they can pick up someone that is cut late in pre-season. Really the only options at this point. A small trade for a Matt Jones or similar wide receiver is not a definitive answer at this point. It is just the same question minus a draft pick.

'Definitive answer'?

No. But show me one that is.

But he would be another option with NFL experience and less question marks than the team currently has.

A 25 year old with great physical skills who still has considerable potential upside.

I would gladly give up a 6th round draft choice if it meant not having to play another year of 'the waiting game' with Terry Glenn.

Given the extra picks and the comp picks coming for next year, that's nothing to pay for something which could help you this year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Those are excellent numbers and really surprising to be honest. I could try to counter with talk about style of offense etc. but that sounds like an excuse and I'm not looking to make excuses.

Crayton's ypc numbers are surprisingly high.

That's an excellent point.

I still think Jones can add a speed element, but I can't take anything away from Crayton's numbers.

I guess he's more of a 'deep threat' than I thought.

he isn't, that's the problem, and Matt Jones is even worse

 

[dooomsday]

And that would be fine with me, expecially if you can get your #3 receiver for a late round draft choice.

And a 25 year old one at that.

This team needs youth at receiver, why not get youth with experience?

I said all along I welcome all competition. I just have my expectations set where they should be. Low to medium.

We can do a lot better. I am not satisfied at all with the young guys, and yes, I prefer experience too. But there are a half doz. rookies I would have also welcomed.

I'd love to add a WR but I prefer we not take on another reclamation project if we are going to do it. We have converts Crayton, Stanback, and really the FAs were projects too. Thats all we have aside from TO! Let get some experienced speedy route runners with hands in here. We should be replacing Glenn with a similar player, IMO.

 

[Stash]

he isn't, that's the problem, and Matt Jones is even worse

But I still have a hard to believing that a guy that runs a 4.38 40 can't be a deep threat.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But I still have a hard to believing that a guy that runs a 4.38 40 can't be a deep threat.

getting deep isn't about running in a straight line

 

[DaBoys4Life]

getting deep isn't about running in a straight line

this is true however he gets down the field fast.