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stasheroo;2117950 said:
How'd things go for Randy Moss in Oakland?

He was a starter as I recall.....

I'm just saying that bad situations aren't anything new in the NFL.


Not sure I get the analogy. Moss was a proven All Pro before Oak. The change did not work going from Minny to Oak which does not support your argument actually. Its worked both ways for Moss. Proving its situational if anything. But you have to start with a talented player who performs. Is MJ that guy?

Did Harpers change of scenery equal success in TB?

We are talking about Matt Jones. The comparisons really dont work for me. Jones hasnt broken 700 yards and has regressed most recently. He has never converted to WR at a high level. And he is certainly not the down field threat they imagined. Still a project. Could a change of scenery work? Of course. He could beat out Hurd. Thats enough for me.
 

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stasheroo;2117957 said:
When injury thrust him into a role he never earned? Better to be lucky than good I guess.

when has Matt Jones ever earned his role other than being surrounded by disappointments, and being a 1st round pick?

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You keep trying to compare one receiver's 4th year with another's 3rd. You and dbair should hook up!

what have you done for me lately?

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Only Tony Curtis. And he had a very good season last year. Bennett's gonna have to earn it I think.

then Curtis will start and probably see more passes thrown his way

stasheroo said:
TO, Witten, Crayton

You said 'receiver'. Witten's a TE.

no ****, but he was our leading receiver last year

hell, he's Romo's favorite target

stasheroo said:
Neither did your hero Crayton until year 4. Jones hasn't had his year 4 yet so there's no valid comparison. But, again, don't ket facts stop you.

that's right, there is no valid comparison

Crayton is one of the most consistent WRs in the league, Matt Jones isn't

but you keep thinking that the Matt Jones could possibly start over him...
 

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stasheroo;2117954 said:
And all 5 combined career catches!

Yeah, sign me up for that. After all, I love a good mystery.

:holmes:

how many times have both been thrown to?

15?
 

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lol he never threw the ball in College if him and DMAC would have been in the same backfield it would have been crazy.
 

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Bob Sacamano;2117964 said:
how many times have both been thrown to?

15?

I guess they didn't 'earn' their way on the field.
 

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stasheroo;2118040 said:
I guess they didn't 'earn' their way on the field.

or they could have been brought along slowly up to this point

just like Romo didn't "earn" his way onto the field his 2nd year
 

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Bob Sacamano;2117959 said:
when has Matt Jones ever earned his role other than being surrounded by disappointments, and being a 1st round pick?

2006 when he led the team in receiving comes to mind. But somehow in the eyes of the Jaguars' "braintrust", that wasn't good enough to start in 2007. But it's not like they've shown they know what to do at receiver.

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what have you done for me lately?

Fallen into a starting role apparently. Better to be lucky than good.

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that's right, there is no valid comparison

Crayton is one of the most consistent WRs in the league, Matt Jones isn't

but you keep thinking that the Matt Jones could possibly start over him...

I'll do that.

You keep thinking he's some irreplacable Pro Bowler too.

Only way to find out is if they made the move for Jones.

Otherwise, Crayton wins 'by default' yet again.
 

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stasheroo;2118044 said:
2006 when he led the team in receiving comes to mind. But somehow in the eyes of the Jaguars' "braintrust", that wasn't good enough to start in 2007. But it's not like they've shown they know what to do at receiver.

still hanging onto 2006 like your Matt JOnes' mother

it's like holding onto your kid's trophy that they give just for coming out


stasheroo said:
Fallen into a starting role apparently. Better to be lucky than good.

which he did quite well w/ the chances he had


stasheroo said:
I'll do that.

You keep thinking he's some irreplacable Pro Bowler too.

I'm not, that's the problem, your view is warped

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Only way to find out is if they made the move for Jones.

Otherwise, Crayton wins 'by default' yet again.

:lmao2:Crayton is way more reliable than Matt Jones has ever been, and is one of the premier chain-movers in the NFL
 

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still hanging onto 2006 like your Matt JOnes' mother

it's like holding onto your kid's trophy that they give just for coming out

Sorry to hurt your feelings, but it happened. I know it throws a huge monkey wrench into the misinformed case of "Matt Jones just sucks", but it did happen. And he didn't have TO and Witten out there taking all of the coverage away.

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which he did quite well w/ the chances he had

Who wouldn't? With Witten, Owens, and Barber out there who bothered to cover him?

Bob Sacamano said:
I'm not, that's the problem, your view is warped

I'm not the guy claiming he's irreplacable here.



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Crayton is way more reliable than Matt Jones has ever been and is one of the premier chain-movers in the NFL

Again, shall we show both guys numbers over their first three years and see who's more 'reliable' then?

Since that's the only fair comparison we can make.

You game for that?
 

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stasheroo;2118048 said:
Sorry to hurt your feelings, but it happened. I know it throws a huge monkey wrench into the misinformed case of "Matt Jones just sucks", but it did happen. And he didn't have TO and Witten out there taking all of the coverage away.

guess what also happened? Matt Jones got deactivated and is at the bottom of a trash heap right now

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Who wouldn't? With Witten, Owens, and Barber out there who bothered to cover him?

Barber was a checkdown until later in the year, and it's not like Romo was throwing alot to Crayton



stasheroo said:
I'm not the guy claiming he's irreplacable here.

he's irreplacable by some scrub





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Again, shall we show both guys numbers over their first three years and see who's more 'reliable' then?

Since that's the only fair comparison we can make.

You game for that?

why? right now Crayton is one of the league's best possession receivers, Matt Jones is inconsistent as hell

I'm just lol'ing that you think Matt Jones to Dallas is a real possibility, just because some guy roamed CZ, and made a story out of it since it's a hot topic of discussion on message boards, and there's not much else to talk about during a slow period before TC
 

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Bob Sacamano;2118053 said:
guess what also happened? Matt Jones got deactivated and is at the bottom of a trash heap
On a team of 'great receivers' huh? Yeah, the Jaguars sure know what they're doing at that spot.

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Barber was a checkdown until later in the year, and it's not like Romo was throwing alot to Crayton

Why is that? Since he's so great and such a 'premier chainmover' or whatever you call him.

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he's irreplacable by some scrub

A 'scrub' who put up better numbers than Crayton over the same period of his career. Don't forget that part.

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why? right now Crayton is one of the league's best possession receivers, Matt Jones is inconsistent as hell

Crayton is an average number two. His #16 ranking among 32 #2 receivers clearly showed that, despite dbair's best efforts.

If you want to go the 'what have you done lately' route we can bring up how both guys did at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Would that make you feel better? Or worse?

You'd just like to hang your hat and base Jones strictly on 2007 because it helps your cause. I'd rather measure players on more equal footing.

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I'm just lol'ing that you think Matt Jones to Dallas is a real possibility, just because some guy roamed CZ, and made a story out of it since it's a hot topic of discussion on message boards, and there's not much else to talk about during a slow period before TC

Yet here you are, posting away in these topics?

At least your double-standards are consistant.......
 

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stasheroo;2118058 said:
On a team of 'great receivers' huh? Yeah, the Jaguars sure know what they're doing at that spot.

not rising above crap somehow changes the situation? save the woe is Matt Jones routine, he should deal w/ the hand he was dealt

oops, forgot, his passion for the game is flaky



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Why is that? Since he's so great and such a 'premier chainmover' or whatever you call him.

Crayton has been one of the league leaders in 1st down catches the last 2 or 3 years

Romo loves looking to Witten and TO is why though



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A 'scrub' who put up better numbers than Crayton over the same period of his career. Don't forget that part.

that got deactivated and is now battling for his life

stasheroo said:
Crayton is an average number two. His #16 ranking among 32 #2 receivers clearly showed that, despite dbair's best efforts.

at least he is a #2

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If you want to go the 'what have you done lately' route we can bring up how both guys did at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Would that make you feel better? Or worse?

not much worse since the playoff game was an aberration, Crayton has always been solid and has some of the best hands on the team

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You'd just like to hang your hat and base Jones strictly on 2007 because it helps your cause. I'd rather measure players on more equal footing.
:laugh2: I base Matt JOnes on '07 because he's shown no progress, going from the 12th pick to deactivated isn't progressing




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Yet here you are, posting away in these topics?

At least your double-standards are consistant.......

yes, I"m bored, that's why I'm posting away

still doesn't change the fact that you're ridiculously waiting for Dallas to make a move for Jones, since there have been no indications that that is even on the agenda, only because some Dallas media hack suggested it
 

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Bob Sacamano;2118063 said:
not rising above crap somehow changes the situation? save the woe is Matt Jones routine, he should deal w/ the hand he was dealt

I guess Owens should have too? Or maybe Randy Moss should have taken his medicine in Oakland? "Hand your dealt', please........


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Crayton has been one of the league leaders in 1st down catches the last 2 or 3 years

And?.........

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that got deactivated and is now battling for his life
Same thing has happened to other players. Owens and Keyshawn come to mind. Didn't render them useless.

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at least he is a #2

By default. There should be an asterisk on the depth chart for cryin' out loud!

Bob Sacamano said:
not much worse since the playoff game was an aberration, Crayton has always been solid and has some of the best hands on the team

Yeah, but what actually happened?


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I base Matt JOnes on '07 because he's shown no progress, going from the 12th pick to deactivated isn't progressing

So I guess you were one of those who thought Moss was washed up in Oakland too, right? What have you done lately and all, right?

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yes, I"m bored, that's why I'm posting away

And hypocritical apparently.

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still doesn't change the fact that you're ridiculously waiting for Dallas to make a move for Jones, since there have been no indications that that is even on the agenda, only because some Dallas media hack suggested it

What do you care what I do with my time?

You're here posting in these things, the same as me.

If you don't like it, leave the conversation.

It's something I'm interested in and enjoy talking about.

If you don't - don't.
 

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stasheroo;2118081 said:
I guess Owens should have too? Or maybe Randy Moss should have taken his medicine in Oakland? "Hand your dealt', please........

they have, that's why they are at the top of their craft and Matt JOnes is at the bottom


stasheroo said:
And?.........

so we can conclude that Crayton is a bit better than Matt Jones? and can stop trying to compare the 2, because there is no comparison?

stasheroo said:
Same thing has happened to other players. Owens and Keyshawn come to mind. Didn't render them useless.

them

proven, consistent vets, w/ 1,000 yard receiving seasons under their belt



stasheroo said:
By default. There should be an asterisk on the depth chart for cryin' out loud!

:laugh2: it's hilarious how you will go to bat for some scrub, and tear down one of your own


stasheroo said:
Yeah, but what actually happened?
he uncharacteristically became unreliable




stasheroo said:
So I guess you were one of those who thought Moss was washed up in Oakland too, right? What have you done lately and all, right?

I did think Moss was washed up

but even then he still put up better numbers that Matt Jones, so please stop comparing Matt Jones to players obviously out of his league because of coincidences



stasheroo said:
And hypocritical apparently.

how am I being hypocritical? I never said I would stop talking about it



stasheroo said:
What do you care what I do with my time?

You're here posting in these things, the same as me.

If you don't like it, leave the conversation.

It's something I'm interested in and enjoy talking about.

If you don't - don't.

I don't care what you do, I just don't want a misconception to be left on the board

Dallas, at the moment, is not interested in Matt Jones
 

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Bob Sacamano;2118088 said:
they have, that's why they are at the top of their craft and Matt Jones is at the bottom

Are you alluding this to 'paying your dues' or something?

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so we can conclude that Crayton is a bit better than Matt Jones? and can stop trying to compare the 2, because there is no comparison?

From what? The results of both players after equal number of years in the league? Yeah, no comparison.

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them

proven, consistent vets, w/ 1,000 yard receiving seasons under their belt

And yet, that didn't stop them from being deacivated either, did it?

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it's hilarious how you will go to bat for some scrub, and tear down one of your own

Yeah, guess I'm not 'homer' enough for some people. I prefer to look at the facts rather than blindly root for a guy based on the uniform he's wearing at the time.

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he uncharacteristically became unreliable

Or maybe he showed his true colors when it counted? Jury's still out on that.

Bob Sacamano said:
I did think Moss was washed up

but even then he still put up better numbers that Matt Jones, so please stop comparing Matt Jones to players obviously out of his league because of coincidences

You're off base (yet again). I'm saying that anyone can be in a bad situation, regardless of talent, and it can adversely affect their productivity. I make no comparison of Jones' talent to Moss'. I'll leave that to Chris Mortensen.

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I don't care what you do, I just don't want a misconception to be left on the board

Dallas, at the moment, is not interested in Matt Jones

More of your speculation. You don't know what the team is planning or not planning any more than the rest of us. Neither of us have any idea who the team is or isn't interested in.
 

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Just wanted to post this 2005 article with comments from Jerry Jones. While we don't know if Matt Jones is still on Jerry's radar, he sure was at one point.....


Fast-legged Jones
By BOB HOLT
Published: Monday, February 28, 2005
INDIANAPOLIS - No quarterback ever ran faster at the NFL Scouting Combine than Matt Jones did on Sunday.

Jones, the former Arkansas star, ran the 40-yard dash in 4.40 seconds. That was the official electronic time released by the NFL, but some scouts said they hand-timed Jones at an even faster time.

The two 40s Jones ran were shown on the NFL Network and had unofficial times of 4.43 and 4.37. "Matt Jones set the world record," said Gil Brandt, a Combine administrator who was vice president of player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys from 1960-1989. "We've been having the NFL Combine for 20 years, and Jones is the fastest quarterback we've ever had."
Brandt said Don McPherson, who played at Syracuse, had run the fastest previous 40 time by a quarterback. "I don't remember exactly what time McPherson ran," Brandt said. "But I know it wasn't as fast as Jones."
Jones' 40 time figures to send his NFL Draft stock soaring. "He made himself a lot of money today," one scout said. "He might have moved up into the first round."

Jerry Jones, owner and general manager of the Dallas Cowboys, didn't want to speculate where Matt Jones may be drafted, but said he helped himself immensely with his performance at the Combine. "Well, by golly, I tell you what, we might find a place for him," Jerry Jones said with a big grin when asked if he'd like to see Matt Jones playing in Dallas. "No one in Arkansas has to doubt whether or not it would be a good feeling for me to see him in a Cowboys uniform."

Jerry Jones, who played guard for the Razorbacks and was a senior on their 1964 11-0 team, is a major booster of the program and attends as many Arkansas games as possible. "I've watched Matt play his entire career and I watched him use that speed, and so it would have surprised me had it not been there [on Sunday]," Jerry Jones said. "But it's good to see it confirmed. I'd never seen a stop watch on him."

Matt Jones, 6-6 and 242 pounds, ran his two 40-yard dashes wearing a white headband, white shorts and white T-shirt. "What was impressive was how fast he ran those initial 10 and 20 yards, the explosiveness he showed," Jerry Jones said. "I didn't get the exact [interval] times, but I know he was one of the fastest off the line. It took him maybe two steps to get that first 10 [yards]."

Matt Jones' 4.40 was the fourth-fastest official 40 time run at the Combine including all players, surpassed only by three wide receivers - Jerome Mathis (4.32), Courtney Roby (4.36) and Troy Williamson (4.38).
On Friday while meeting with media at the Combine, Jones said he ran a hand-held time of 4.41 three weeks ago while training at the Parisi Speed School in Fair Lawn, N. J., and that he hoped to run 4.5 or better with the electronic timing at the Combine.

While other players train in cities such as Miami, Phoenix and New Orleans to prepare for the NFL Draft, Jones said New Jersey worked well for him. "It's cold up there, but a change of scenery is probably good for me for working out," he said. "You're there to work, you're not there to have fun."
Roy Wittke, Arkansas' quarterbacks coach, said before the Combine that he wouldn't be surprised no matter how fast Jones ran the 40. "They broke the mold when they made Matt," Wittke said. "Whatever he does shouldn't be a surprise, and that's what the NFL people are going to learn about him."
Jerry Jones said that he and Cowboys Coach Bill Parcells nicknamed Matt Jones "Jim Thorpe" on Sunday after watching him work out.

Jim Thorpe won the decathlon at the 1912 Olympics, played Major League baseball and professional football and is regarded as one of the greatest athletes of the 20th century. "We're talking about Jim Thorpe," Jones called out when Parcells walked by. "That's because of Matt's versatility and how athletic he is."

The Jim Thorpe Award is presented annually to the top defensive back in college football, but Jones' pro future figures to be on offense.
But where on offense continues to be the big question. Would Jones be best at quarterback, where he played at Arkansas? Wide receiver, where he played in the Senior Bowl? Tight end? H-back? "I would say wide receiver if I had to pick a position, because you look at the size, you look at the speed," said Atlanta Falcons receivers coach George Stewart, who was an All-Southwest Conference offensive lineman at Arkansas. "But wherever you put him on the football field, he's going to do things for you.

" Any time you've got a guy that can run a 4.4, it's going to help you somewhere, because he's got true speed. "

Jones has said repeatedly that he'll play any position where an NFL team wants him, that his goal is to be drafted and get on the field.

" I'm just guessing, but I'm guessing that wherever he plays, he's going to want to be the next quarterback, "Tennessee Titans General Manager Floyd Reese said of Jones." If you've three [quarterbacks], he wants to be four. If you've got five, he wants to be six, so that he can at least continue to work his way through. "

Stewart said that Jones looked good throwing the ball during the quarterback drills, and another scout agreed. Jones also ran some routes as a wide receiver.

" He's such an unusual athlete that I think he's got potential in a lot of areas, "St. Louis Rams Coach Mike Martz said." Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. "
Reese said that during the Titans' interview session with Jones at the Combine, he talked to Jones about switching to receiver.

" You ask, can he be a wide receiver now that he's got things he's got to learn? "Reese said." One question we posed to him was, 'How far behind do you feel like you are from the other receivers?' And he doesn't feel like he's really far behind. "We asked, 'What if you have to play tight end?' He said, ' Fine, whatever. Draft me first, then do what you want. '"

Reese said he enjoyed talking with Jones and didn't find him to be too laid back. "He's blessed with tremendous abilities, and I think he's been able to do some things other people can't do without straining," Reese said. "But I think he's very excited about the NFL and is very willing and able to play wherever he can."

Jerry Jones said that where Matt Jones plays is "is going to be the big debate as clubs continue to look at him" and didn't rule out the possibility of quarterback. "It's not impossible," Jerry Jones said. "Certainly when you look at some of the things we're doing and clubs are doing, you don't have to be the prototype dropback passer to move the ball in the NFL today, especially as you get near the red zone."

Jerry Jones added that it was clear the work Matt Jones put in to get ready for the Combine. "Most every ambitious individual that comes into the NFL is aware and falls into the stepped up work ethic, the year-around commitment that is required," Jerry Jones said. "I don't care what kind of athlete you are or what kind of speed you've got.

" The players do it because of the rewards that are there, and Matt's got every ability and does grasp that. Sure you're going to work more [in the NFL] than you did in college, because now it's a full-time job. "

Matt Jones said he had no problems with the team interviews at the Combine and enjoyed getting to know the various NFL general managers, coaches and scouts.

" You can either talk or you can't, right? "Jones said." I can talk to somebody. There's no problem with that. "

Jones also had no problem performing on center stage at the Combine when it came time to turn in a fast 40. Having the eyes of so many in the NFL on him Sunday didn't cause him to feel additional pressure.

" They're on you before this, "Jones said on Friday of the intense NFL scrutiny." They're the ones that invited you here, they want to see what you've got. "I think you'd feel more pressure if you didn't get invited and you were at home and wondering what to do."
 

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stasheroo;2118105 said:
Are you alluding this to 'paying your dues' or something?

dealing w/ the hand they've been dealt, something Matt JOnes hasn't, and he has people like you making up lists of excuses as to why



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From what? The results of both players after equal number of years in the league? Yeah, no comparison.

the comparison in that Patrick Crayton is reliable, and Matt Jones isn't, and one's job is safe, and the other's isn't



stasheroo said:
And yet, that didn't stop them from being deacivated either, did it?

let's stick to Matt Jones



stasheroo said:
Yeah, guess I'm not 'homer' enough for some people. I prefer to look at the facts rather than blindly root for a guy based on the uniform he's wearing at the time.

blindly rooting? I've given the guy ****, but I know well enough that Patrick Crayton is safe in the #2 role, unless the better receiver, Glenn is healthy, while Matt Jones is battling at the bottom of a scrap heap right now



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Or maybe he showed his true colors when it counted? Jury's still out on that.

not really, since we have a 2-year sample size of Patrick Crayton being pretty damn consistent



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You're off base (yet again). I'm saying that anyone can be in a bad situation, regardless of talent, and it can adversely affect their productivity. I make no comparison of Jones' talent to Moss'. I'll leave that to Chris Mortensen.

you have to be productive in the 1st place, I don't know about you, but average play isn't productivity

and bringing Chris Mortenson's talent evaluation skills into the equation is just laughable

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More of your speculation. You don't know what the team is planning or not planning any more than the rest of us. Neither of us have any idea who the team is or isn't interested in.

I'm not acting like I do, but no indication has come out of Dallas that we are even remotely interested in Matt Jones

this "we'll see" crap concerning Matt Jones coming here is ridiculous
 

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why did you bring up Jerry Jones speaking highly of Matt Jones at the Combine?

that somehow means he's still interested? quite the huge leap of logic
 
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