Matt Jones Video of his QB play back in Arkansas

[Stash]

Just wanted to post this 2005 article with comments from Jerry Jones. While we don't know if Matt Jones is still on Jerry's radar, he sure was at one point.....

I guess you missed that part.....

:shoot6:

 

[Stash]

dealing w/ the hand they've been dealt, something Matt JOnes hasn't, and he has people like you making up lists of excuses as to why

Not if it's a lousy hand. Plenty of guys watch their careers get flushed away playing for poor coaches. I wouldn't blame a guy for wanting out of a bad situation.

the comparison in that Patrick Crayton is reliable, and Matt Jones isn't, and one's job is safe, and the other's isn't

He sure looked 'reliable' when it counted most, didn't he? No player on this team came up smaller when it counted most.

blindly rooting? I've given the guy ****, but I know well enough that Patrick Crayton is safe in the #2 role, unless the better receiver, Glenn is healthy, while Matt Jones is battling at the bottom of a scrap heap right now

You mean unless the team finds something better. The same approach they took this entire offseason. The team clearly was looking for an upgrade over Crayton.

not really, since we have a 2-year sample size of Patrick Crayton being pretty damn consistent

And lousy in the playoffs when it counts. Maybe he's part of the problem with winning a playoff game?

you have to be productive in the 1st place, I don't know about you, but average play isn't productivity

Don't bring up the word productivity when you shy away from comparing Jones' and Crayton's numbers on equal footing. We can always rehash what both players have done at the same point in their careers. But we also know how that compaison is going to turn out, don't we?

I'm not acting like I do, but no indication has come out of Dallas that we are even remotely interested in Matt Jones

this "we'll see" crap concerning Matt Jones coming here is ridiculous

Why? Because you don't like the idea? Too bad.

People speculate about players coming here daily.

 

[cowheel]

LOL... still a bum.


Hey... anybody got some Andre Ware college video?
I believe he's available...

 

[CrazyCowboy]

that guy is FAST......

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I guess you missed that part.....

:shoot6:

again, huge leap of logic

Not if it's a lousy hand. Plenty of guys watch their careers get flushed away playing for poor coaches. I wouldn't blame a guy for wanting out of a bad situation.

so now he's a baby? he can't keep looking to run from every bad situation, hell, he had a great situation that he stepped into, he was a 1st round pick!

He sure looked 'reliable' when it counted most, didn't he? No player on this team came up smaller when it counted most.

at least he's been counted on, Matt Jones never has

You mean unless the team finds something better. The same approach they took this entire offseason. The team clearly was looking for an upgrade over Crayton.

they were looking at All-Pros, can you blame 'em?

And lousy in the playoffs when it counts. Maybe he's part of the problem with winning a playoff game?

guess the Oline is too? because they blew it in the 2nd half? or Romo, huh?

Don't bring up the word productivity when you shy away from comparing Jones' and Crayton's numbers on equal footing. We can always rehash what both players have done at the same point in their careers. But we also know how that compaison is going to turn out, don't we?

equal footing? like the '07 season?

Why? Because you don't like the idea? Too bad.

People speculate about players coming here daily.

speculate all you want, but it's not going to bring you what you want

 

[Stash]

again, huge leap of logic

Sure thing. Last time I checked, it was against league rules for teams to publicly talk about players from other teams something about tampering. Maybe that's why you haven't seen anything official?

so now he's a baby? he can't keep looking to run from every bad situation, hell, he had a great situation that he stepped into, he was a 1st round pick!

Great 'money' situation, but that's it. He's gotten lousy coaching since he's been there, like all the rest of Jacksonville's receivers. Maybe that's why Del Rio changes coaches like underwear?

at least he's been counted on, Matt Jones never has

Really? Who performed during last year's playoffs and who didn't? You're the fan of 'what-have-you-done-lately'? Pull up those numbers for all of us to see? I already know what you'll find.

they were looking at All-Pros, can you blame 'em?

It speaks to knowing what they have - and don't have - at receiver. It speaks to a need.

guess the Oline is too? because they blew it in the 2nd half? or Romo, huh?

The line bears its' share of blame, I wouldn't blame Romo. But if you're handing out 'blame pie', your buddy gets the biggest 'slice'.

equal footing? like the '07 season?

When your buddy falls into a starting role and Jones' is in the doghouse?

Doesn't exactly scream 'equal'.....




speculate all you want, but it's not going to bring you what you want[/quote]

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sure thing. Last time I checked, it was against league rules for teams to publicly talk about players from other teams something about tampering. Maybe that's why you haven't seen anything official?

maybe it's because it just isn't? that's possible

guess we're trying to make a move for Richard Seymour to replace Marcus Spears

Great 'money' situation, but that's it. He's gotten lousy coaching since he's been there, like all the rest of Jacksonville's receivers. Maybe that's why Del Rio changes coaches like underwear?

and lots of attention and chances, which he used up

Really? Who performed during last year's playoffs and who didn't? You're the fan of 'what-have-you-done-lately'? Pull up those numbers for all of us to see? I already know what you'll find.

again, abberation

It speaks to knowing what they have - and don't have - at receiver. It speaks to a need.

it also speaks that they want another All-Pro type receiver, notice how they're set on continuing as is?

The line bears its' share of blame, I wouldn't blame Romo. But if you're handing out 'blame pie', your buddy gets the biggest 'slice'.

the line failed the whole 2nd half, yet Crayton gets the biggest slice? ok

When your buddy falls into a starting role and Jones' is in the doghouse?

Doesn't exactly scream 'equal'.....

last season, Matt Jones sucked, Crayton didn't

 

[joseephuss]

A number that was left out was that Matt Jones scored a 19 on his Wonderlic.

 

[Stash]

maybe it's because it just isn't? that's possible

Sure is. I never said it wasn't. You're the guy bashing the other side of the argument as 'ridiculous' because you haven't seen anything from the team. How could you see anything from the team?

and lots of attention and chances, which he used up

Yeah, tons of chances, a plethora of chances, a cornucopia of chances. To the tune of 5 starts in three years - in one of which he managed to lead the team in receiving, despite just 4 starts. Yeah, plenty of chances there.....

:shatfan:

again, abberation

What? That's the best response you've got? When your own ridiculous criteris comes back to bite you? That's all you can say? I'm disappointed in your weakness.

it also speaks that they want another All-Pro type receiver, notice how they're set on continuing as is?

For now maybe. The season hasn't started yet.

the line failed the whole 2nd half, yet Crayton gets the biggest slice? ok

Crayton dropped one would-be touchdown and quit on another. So yeah, he deservedly gets the most blame.

last season, Matt Jones sucked, Crayton didn't

One guy fell into a starting role he didn't earn, while the other fell into the coaches' doghouse and didn't play. We can compare numbers on equal footing but since it would ruin your case, you're not interested in doing that, I get ya.

Last year during the playoffs - when it really counts - Matt Jones played well, Crayton sucked.

You're really bringing nothing to this other than try to exclusively base your entire case on what happened during a select portion of the 2007 season.

And that's a weak argument.

 

[Stash]

A number that was left out was that Matt Jones scored a 19 on his Wonderlic.

How did I miss that one?

 

[joseephuss]

Sure is. I never said it wasn't. You're the guy bashing the other side of the argument as 'ridiculous' because you haven't seen anything from the team. How could you see anything from the team?




Yeah, tons of chances, a plethora of chances, a cornucopia of chances. To the tune of 5 starts in three years - in one of which he managed to lead the team in receiving, despite just 4 starts. Yeah, plenty of chances there.....

:shatfan:




What? That's the best response you've got? When your own ridiculous criteris comes back to bite you? That's all you can say? I'm disappointed in your weakness.




For now maybe. The season hasn't started yet.



Crayton dropped one would-be touchdown and quit on another. So yeah, he deservedly gets the most blame.



One guy fell into a starting role he didn't earn, while the other fell into the coaches' doghouse and didn't play. We can compare numbers on equal footing but since it would ruin your case, you're not interested in doing that, I get ya.

Last year during the playoffs - when it really counts - Matt Jones played well, Crayton sucked.

You're really bringing nothing to this other than try to exclusively base your entire case on what happened during a select portion of the 2007 season.

And that's a weak argument.

How does one fall into the doghouse? It isn't something random. It isn't because the coaches are just dumb and don't know any better. The player themselves usually contribute to why they find themselves in the dog house. Matt Jones found himself in one. I think that is very telling.

Crayton did not play well in the playoffs. Matt Jones had 3 receptions for 48 yards and 1 TD over two playoff games this past season. How does that equal playing well? It doesn't suck, but it is hardly playing well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sure is. I never said it wasn't. You're the guy bashing the other side of the argument as 'ridiculous' because you haven't seen anything from the team. How could you see anything from the team?

so no indications means we're interested?

Yeah, tons of chances, a plethora of chances, a cornucopia of chances. To the tune of 5 starts in three years - in one of which he managed to lead the team in receiving, despite just 4 starts. Yeah, plenty of chances there.....

:shatfan:

you don't think Jax gave Matt Jones many chances to succeed, being that he was a 1st round pick of their's?

What? That's the best response you've got? When your own ridiculous criteris comes back to bite you? That's all you can say? I'm disappointed in your weakness.

judging by the latest performance is a ridiculous criteria? despite "blowing up" in the playoffs, Matt Jones is battling at the bottom of the Jacksonville depth chart at WR

when I ask, "what have you done for me lately?", I don't mean just 1 game, you can't base anything off just 1 game, hell, that performance didn't keep Matt Jones from where he is

fighting for his life

For now maybe. The season hasn't started yet.

until then...

Crayton dropped one would-be touchdown and quit on another. So yeah, he deservedly gets the most blame.

I would think that a group that failed for 30 minutes would shoulder more of the blame, as to someone who failed on just 2 plays

One guy fell into a starting role he didn't earn, while the other fell into the coaches' doghouse and didn't play. We can compare numbers on equal footing but since it would ruin your case, you're not interested in doing that, I get ya.

one guy made the most of his chances and played well, the other got deactivated

Last year during the playoffs - when it really counts - Matt Jones played well, Crayton sucked.

Matt Jones played "well" and is at the bottom of the scrap heap

You're really bringing nothing to this other than try to exclusively base your entire case on what happened during a select portion of the 2007 season.

And that's a weak argument.

I'm basing my entire case on the entire '07 season, where Matt Jones played horribly and got deactivated

 

[Stash]

so no indications means we're interested?

Again, what part of 'tampering' do you not understand? How much cleare can things be made before you understand?

you don't think Jax gave Matt Jones many chances to succeed, being that he was a 1st round pick of their's?

The number of starting opportunities don't scream 'chances' to me. I think taking him at #21 was a reach, I think putting him in a run-based offense was a mistake, I think the lousy coaches they hired (and since fired) was a mistake, and I think expecting him to be an All-Pro receiver and blocker was a mistake.

judging by the latest performance is a ridiculous criteria? despite "blowing up" in the playoffs, Matt Jones is battling at the bottom of the Jacksonville depth chart at WR

I believe your direct quote was 'aberration'. Funny how that's only when it screws with your already fargile case.

until then...

Until then what? You 'forbid' me to talk about it? Yikes! Hope you don't know where I live.....

:nervous:

I would think that a group that failed for 30 minutes would shoulder more of the blame, as to someone who failed on just 2 plays

You do that. Last time I checked, touchdowns was what counts. As in the team with the most wins. Crayton makes one of those plays and we're not having this conversation. Being the #2 receiver, Crayton gets about 5 chances during a game to make a play - he failed miserably on the two biggest opportunities of his life.

one guy made the most of his chances and played well, the other got deactivated

Ask the Giants if he 'made the most' of it.....

Matt Jones played "well" and is at the bottom of the scrap heap

I think it comes down to this, those who feel that Jones is a bust who was given every chance to succeed yet failed due solely through his own actions.

And those like myself who feel that he's a guy with talent and potential still undeveloped who has already put up some good numbers and could put up better ones in a better environment.

I'm basing my entire case on the entire '07 season, where Matt Jones played horribly and got deactivated

I feel like I'm haing a conversation with Steve Martin from 'The Jerk':

"Anything in this general area right in here.

Anything below the stereo and
on this side of the bicentennial glasses.

Anything between the ashtrays
and the thimble.

Anything in this three inches
right in here, in this area.

That includes the Chiclets,
but not the erasers."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Again, what part of 'tampering' do you not understand? How much cleare can things be made before you understand?

I just don't understand how the tampering rule, means there's interest

The number of starting opportunities don't scream 'chances' to me. I think taking him at #21 was a reach, I think putting him in a run-based offense was a mistake, I think the lousy coaches they hired (and since fired) was a mistake, and I think expecting him to be an All-Pro receiver and blocker was a mistake.

by chances, I don't mean just giving him starts, I'm sure in practice they gave him every chance to succeed, all the coaching he wanted, in fact an article was posted in one of these threads that his last WR coach and him were attached at the hip

but it has to be the coaching, not Matt Jones

I believe your direct quote was 'aberration'. Funny how that's only when it screws with your already fargile case.

1 game doesn't determine anything, just like our Oline doesn't suck because they sucked for a half in their last game

but we know that based on a large sample size, Matt Jones is an inconsistant WR, while Patrick Crayton is not

Until then what? You 'forbid' me to talk about it? Yikes! Hope you don't know where I live.....

:nervous:

your attempts to be cute are about as lame as your babying Matt Jones

You do that. Last time I checked, touchdowns was what counts. As in the team with the most wins. Crayton makes one of those plays and we're not having this conversation. Being the #2 receiver, Crayton gets about 5 chances during a game to make a play - he failed miserably on the two biggest opportunities of his life.

LOL, the most TDs Matt Jones had in a year was 5, his rookie year, wow!

and if Crayton makes one of those plays, you think that stops Dallas from trying to acquire a great WR? lol

the Oline plays a big part in scoring TDs, boy, you can say some pretty ridiculous ****

Ask the Giants if he 'made the most' of it.....

ask the Giants if our Oline is good, or if Romo reverts to being a rookie

I think it comes down to this, those who feel that Jones is a bust who was given every chance to succeed yet failed due solely through his own actions.

And those like myself who feel that he's a guy with talent and potential still undeveloped who has already put up some good numbers and could put up better ones in a better environment.

he has never put up "good" numbers, and the fact that he's at the bottom of the depth chart, despite his great '06 season and great '07 postseaon, makes the former argument seem more sensical

the chances that he puts it together is 50/50, you can basically say that about anything you're not sure of

 

[Stash]

I just don't understand how the tampering rule, means there's interest

It means that silence doesn't mean there isn't, since they're forbidden to talk about players on other team's rosters.

by chances, I don't mean just giving him starts, I'm sure in practice they gave him every chance to succeed, all the coaching he wanted, in fact an article was posted in one of these threads that his last WR coach and him were attached at the hip

Does that mean it was good coaching? Where's Jones' last receivers coach right now? The guy who's job it was to ensure that a first round pick made a successful position change? Where's that guy coaching now?

but it has to be the coaching, not Matt Jones

I don't know how many times I have to type it - maybe just this one more - I'm not excusing Jones, I'm saying that I don't think blame is solely his. Especially when all of their other receivers are 'struggling' too - and they didn't have to switch positions either.

1 game doesn't determine anything, just like our Oline doesn't suck because they sucked for a half in their last game

But you said they did, and Romo did too. Because if Crayton sucked, which he did, then they did too.

but we know that based on a large sample size, Matt Jones is an inconsistant WR, while Patrick Crayton is not

Sorry, but that's not what the numbers say, quite the opposite in fact.

your attempts to be cute are about as lame as your babying Matt Jones

Pot meet kettle.....

LOL, the most TDs Matt Jones had in a year was 5, his rookie year, wow!

And Crayton never even had that until he fell into his starting gig. Prior to lucking into a starter's role, the guy had a grand total of 7 over three years.

and if Crayton makes one of those plays, you think that stops Dallas from trying to acquire a great WR? lol

Better yet, if Crayton makes one of those plays, we win the game!

the Oline plays a big part in scoring TDs, boy, you can say some pretty ridiculous ****

Yeah, but they don't personally score or in Pat's case not score touchdowns.

he has never put up "good" numbers,

Lie.

and the fact that he's at the bottom of the depth chart, despite his great '06 season and great '07 postseaon, makes the former argument seem more sensical

Yeah, especially when all of the other receivers are doing so well. Sure makes it look like the Jags know what they're doing....

the chances that he puts it together is 50/50, you can basically say that about anything you're not sure of

Ya know sometimes I think you just live to argue.

That you don't even have to oppose something or feel the need to make a solid case.

That you simply post something to disagree and cause strife and arguments.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It means that silence doesn't mean there isn't, since they're forbidden to talk about players on other team's rosters.

but it means there is?

Does that mean it was good coaching? Where's Jones' last receivers coach right now? The guy who's job it was to ensure that a first round pick made a successful position change? Where's that guy coaching now?

I can't really say what kind of coaching he was receiving, but whatever it was, Jones wasn't getting it

I don't know how many times I have to type it - maybe just this one more - I'm not excusing Jones, I'm saying that I don't think blame is solely his. Especially when all of their other receivers are 'struggling' too - and they didn't have to switch positions either.

you say you don't think the blame is solely his, but you keep blaming the coaching staff and think he's going to get it because he'll be stepping into a better one

and someone already posted it, but other WRs on the jags had career years under the same coaches, while Matt Jones regressed

But you said they did, and Romo did too. Because if Crayton sucked, which he did, then they did too.

Sorry, but that's not what the numbers say, quite the opposite in fact.

it's been reported that Matt Jones dropped easy passes, and was inconsistent, so no, his pedestrian numbers don't point to consistency

anyone ever praise Matt JOnes' hands? he ever was one of the league leaders in 1st downs?

And Crayton never even had that until he fell into his starting gig. Prior to lucking into a starter's role, the guy had a grand total of 7 over three years.

and he matched that in 1 year, when he stepped into a prominent role

I don't see what's so bad about that

Better yet, if Crayton makes one of those plays, we win the game!





Yeah, but they don't personally score or in Pat's case not score touchdowns.

if the line blocked better for Barber, we probably score more points, or if ROmo had enough time to spot a wide-open Hurd or Austin streaking down the sideline wide-open

Lie.

never had at least 50 receptions or 700 yards, yeah, good numbers he's had

Yeah, especially when all of the other receivers are doing so well. Sure makes it look like the Jags know what they're doing....

that's just bad for Matt Jones, he's buried behind scrubs

Ya know sometimes I think you just live to argue.

That you don't even have to oppose something or feel the need to make a solid case.

That you simply post something to disagree and cause strife and arguments.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Stash]

but it means there is?

What it means is neither of us knows. That's what it means. You're the only one who's arrogant enough to think they have to be right about it.

I can't really say what kind of coaching he was receiving, but whatever it was, Jones wasn't getting it

Yeah, he was getting some coaching.

you say you don't think the blame is solely his, but you keep blaming the coaching staff and think he's going to get it because he'll be stepping into a better one

No. I think he'll have a better chance to, that's all. If he blows it, it's all on him. I know our group of coaches is good. The Jags don't have agood track record.

and someone already posted it, but other WRs on the jags had career years under the same coaches, while Matt Jones regressed

Why is Williams' 600 yards a 'career year' while Jones' 600 yards in '06 gets disregarded?

it's been reported that Matt Jones dropped easy passes, and was inconsistent, so no, his pedestrian numbers don't point to consistency

It's been shown that his numbers aren't 'pedestrian'. We can go through that again if you'd like.

and he matched that in 1 year, when he stepped into a prominent role

I don't see what's so bad about that

He fell into a prominent role. No way of knowing that a better player wouldn't have don better given the same opportunity.

if the line blocked better for Barber, we probably score more points, or if ROmo had enough time to spot a wide-open Hurd or Austin streaking down the sideline wide-open

No way of knowing. I know if Crayton does his job we win. That was apparent.

never had at least 50 receptions or 700 yards, yeah, good numbers he's had

Never fell into a starter's role opposite one of the league's best receivers and tight ends either. Before Crayton lucked out, he was nothing special. Maybe he should pull a Tanya Harding and have someone take the Porter's knee out?

that's just bad for Matt Jones, he's buried behind scrubs

aka "The House That Jack Built"

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What it means is neither of us knows. That's what it means. You're the only one who's arrogant enough to think they have to be right about it.

then it's a moot point? ok, that's I wanted to hear

Yeah, he was getting some coaching.



No. I think he'll have a better chance to, that's all. If he blows it, it's all on him. I know our group of coaches is good. The Jags don't have agood track record.

I just wonder why you have so much faith in Ray Sherman, but feel that we have to upgrade from the WRs he's currently developing...

Why is Williams' 600 yards a 'career year' while Jones' 600 yards in '06 gets disregarded?

having a career year, doesn't necessarily mean it was a good one, just the best one that particular player has ever had, the point is that every WR on the Jag roster stepped up their game, whle Matt Jones went backwards

It's been shown that his numbers aren't 'pedestrian'. We can go through that again if you'd like.

no 50 catch, at least 700 yard receiving season, a TD total of 5, 3 years ago

dude would be walking if production merited vehicles

He fell into a prominent role. No way of knowing that a better player wouldn't have don better given the same opportunity.

I hope you're not suggesting that Matt JOnes is the better player? he's not even the 4th best receiver on his own team

No way of knowing. I know if Crayton does his job we win. That was apparent.

if Crayton does his job, if the Oline does it's job and if Romo does his job we win, if Terry Glenn was healthy we win, if Jacque Reeves didn't suck, we win

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Never fell into a starter's role opposite one of the league's best receivers and tight ends either. Before Crayton lucked out, he was nothing special. Maybe he should pull a Tanya Harding and have someone take the Porter's knee out?

and Troy WIlliamson's, and Reggie William's, and Dennis Northcutt's

aka "The House That Jack Built"

which also includes Matt Jones

trash surrounded by trash

 

[cowheel]

Wow.

Seriously...
is Matt Jones like your cousin? ... or baby daddy?

Just not seein' why that bum is worth all this.... lol