Matt Roth anyone?

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I thought Parcells would like this guy because he's big and strong and ferocious. Like NextGen says, he's got a great motor. He's not very quick, but that's less important in Parcells' system.

I wonder what happened in Miami. I'm sure Inmanroshi knows.

BTW, Curtis Johnson has the same kind of motor and we might rather just keep him. CuJo is a lot faster and might have more upside.
 

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ShiningStar;3099307 said:
TO be fair, KC tossed a guy who playes for Houston now and is having an outstanding year. We all know it doesnt take much to get into Parcells Doghouse, so that could be the reason. Other than that, this is a "a guy has been released and DALLAS needs him" thread.

So i agree 70 percent with you, 30 percent wants to know more about the guy and if we can sign him to the PS or bring him in for next year.



Yeah Pollard was playing out of his mind last night during the game.

I cannot believe KC jettisoned the guy.
 

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I liked Matt Roth a lot in college.

Haven't really kept up with him in the NFL, but i would think he could offer more than Curtis Johnson.

I'd make the swap.
 

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One more thought: Even if we wanted him, a team worse than us might claim him first.

He was drafted in '05... Is it four or five full years before you're a vested veteran and thus not subject to waiver claims?
 

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ShiningStar;3099307 said:
TO be fair, KC tossed a guy who playes for Houston now and is having an outstanding year. We all know it doesnt take much to get into Parcells Doghouse, so that could be the reason. Other than that, this is a "a guy has been released and DALLAS needs him" thread.

So i agree 70 percent with you, 30 percent wants to know more about the guy and if we can sign him to the PS or bring him in for next year.

You listen to broadcasts, and put way too much faith into anything announcers say.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3099364 said:
He was drafted in '05... Is it four or five full years before you're a vested veteran and thus not subject to waiver claims?

Waivers are funny.

I know players who have four or more accrued seasons that are released during the off-season or training camp immediately become free agents and can sign with any team they like.

But it seems to change during the season.

The Chiefs released Larry Johnson (8th yr) earlier this month and he had to clear waivers before teams not wanting to claim him due to his contract could negotiate a new deal with him.
 

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I checked a Dolphin forum and everyone is shocked he was let go. Apparently some sort of issue between Roth and the front office, but he was valued as a player.
 

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Roth was the subject of some controversy at the beginning of training camp in 2009. According to head coach Tony Sparano, Roth failed the team's initial conditioning test due to an unknown illness. However, Roth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, stated in a television appearance the failed test was due to a groin injury.[2] On September 5, 2009, Roth was placed on the Reserve/Non-Football-Injury list. He will not be eligible to practice or play for the first six weeks of the 2009 season. [3] He was waived on November 24.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Roth
 

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I'd take him, he's a poor man's Jared Allen

but we've barely shifted the bottom of the barrel this year, signing 2 players in 11 weeks, so I don't envision us looking at him

plus it seems that we are saving Cu-jo for something
 

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Bob Sacamano;3099408 said:
I'd take him, he's a poor man's Jared Allen

but we've barely shifted the bottom of the barrel this year, signing 2 players in 11 weeks, so I don't envision us looking at him

plus it seems that we are saving Cu-jo for something

He is slower than christmas zoners, but here is some info on him;



Matt Roth Grade: 3.96
Position: DE
Class: Sr
School: Iowa
Conference: Big Ten
Ht., Wt.: 6-3.5, 278
40 Time: 4.81
Selected by: Miami Dolphins
Round 2, pick 14 (46 overall) Grading System



BIO: Former linebacker who totaled 49/15/8 as a senior. All-Conference choice the past two years.

POSITIVES: Intense and tenacious defender who plays with a great motor. Explodes off the snap with a great first step, plays with excellent leverage and works his hands to stay off blocks. Displays top body control, quickly changes direction or alters his angle of attack. Holds his ground against bigger linemen and rarely off his feet. Displays good footwork getting through the trash laterally, and possesses excellent range for a defensive lineman. Makes plays in pursuit and consistently flying around the action.

NEGATIVES: At times easily ridden from his angle of attack by bigger linemen. Does not always play under control, over-pursues the action and takes himself out of the play.

ANALYSIS: A fiery prospect who plays with a warrior's mentality, Roth's game is characterized by great intellect and tenacity. An excellent pass rusher who makes a lot of plays behind the line of scrimmage, he is also effective against the run and in time should develop into a complete defensive lineman on the right side.

PROJECTION: Early Second Round




College career
Roth was a two-time First Team All-Big Ten selection and an All-America selection as a senior during his collegiate career at the University of Iowa.

He was regarded as one of the premier pass rushers in the collegiate ranks and one of the toughest players in the country.[citation needed] He was a blue-chip NFL prospect with a blue-collar work ethic.[citation needed] Roth is a colorful character who plays the game as if he is on a "search and destroy" mission.[citation needed]

Roth began his Iowa career as a middle linebacker, recording 19 tackles (12 solo) in 12 games as a reserve in 2001. He shifted to the defensive line in 2002, as the coaches felt he played with too aggressively to be effective as a linebacker. Roth responded to the move by recording 48 tackles (22 solo) with 10 sacks, 11 stops behind the line of scrimmage and 11 quarterback pressures, despite starting only one game. Roth took over left-end duties in 2003, collecting 51 tackles (32 solo),12 sacks, 16 stops for losses and four forced fumbles. Only Leroy Smith (18 in 1991) had more sacks in a season for the Hawkeyes.

With an additional 10 pounds of muscle added to his frame in 2004, Roth put together a banner senior season, earning All-America honors. He ranked fourth in the Big Ten with eight sacks and registered 15 stops for losses (sixth in the Big Ten), eight pressures and 49 tackles (34 solo) while leading the conference with three forced fumbles.

In 49 games, he started 25 times, recording 167 tackles (100 solo) with 23 quarterback pressures, 30 sacks for minus-192 yards, 43 stops for losses of 224 yards, eight forced fumbles, a fumble recovery and a pass deflection. His 30 career sacks rank third in school history, topped only by Mike Wells (33, 1990-93) and Jared DeVries (42, 1995-98). Only Wells (54) and DeVries (78) registered more tackles behind the line of scrimmage in a career for the Hawkeyes.

[edit] Professional career
[edit] Pre-draft
Pre-draft measureables[1]
Height Weight 40-yard dash 10-yard split 20-yard split 20 ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP Wonderlic
6-3¾ * 278 * 4.80 * 1.68 * 2.73 * 4.36 * 7.65 * 32" * 9'04" * 23* 16*
* represents NFL Combine



* represents NFL Combine

[edit] Miami Dolphins
Roth was drafted by the Miami Dolphins in the second round (46th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft. The team selected him with a draft pick obtained in the trade that sent cornerback Patrick Surtain to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Roth played in a reserve role in all 16 games of his rookie season in 2005. On the year, he amassed 22 tackles, a sack, a fumble recovery and a pass defensed. He posted a season-high six tackles against the Kansas City Chiefs on October 21. He had his most productive game of the season against the New York Jets on December 18 when he came up with his first NFL sack and the initial fumble recovery of his career . He scooped up a Cedric Houston fumble in the third quarter that was forced by Derrick Pope. The sack occurred in the fourth quarter when he tackled quarterback Brooks Bollinger for a six-yard loss.

Despite the presence of a handful of veterans on the Dolphins defense, Roth increased his production in 2006. In 16 reserve appearances, Roth had 37 tackles and 3.5 and three forced fumbles. On December 10 against the New England Patriots, he had three tackles including 1.5 sacks for a total of 10.5 yards in losses, tackling quarterback Tom Brady for a five-yard loss and sharing an 11-yard sack of Brady with defensive tackle Vonnie Holliday. On November 23 at Detroit, Roth had three tackles including two sacks, tackling Lions quarterback Jon Kitna twice for a total of 14 yards in losses. It was the first two-sack game of his career. In fact, coming into the game he had just one prior career sack. On November 19 against the Minnesota Vikings, he had four tackles and a forced fumble, causing Vikings running back Chester Taylor to fumble that was recovered by Renaldo Hill and returned for a 48-yard touchdown to give the Dolphins their final lead in a 24-20 victory.

With the departure of Kevin Carter to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and free agent David Bowens, Roth was elevated to starting defensive end in 2007 and he in 13 games, including nine starts and made 44 tackles, three sacks, a forced fumble and a pass defensed.

In 2008, Roth was moved to outside linebacker after the Dolphins shifted to the 3-4 defense. He went on to start 14 of 16 games played for the Dolphins recordng 53 tackles with five sacks.

Roth was the subject of some controversy at the beginning of training camp in 2009. According to head coach Tony Sparano, Roth failed the team's initial conditioning test due to an unknown illness. However, Roth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, stated in a television appearance the failed test was due to a groin injury.[2] On September 5, 2009, Roth was placed on the Reserve/Non-Football-Injury list. He will not be eligible to practice or play for the first six weeks of the 2009 season. [3] He was waived on November 24.
 

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mortboy;3099297 said:
Roth was just released by Miami. Anyone know if it would be worth it to take a look?

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Dolphins have waived OLB Matt Roth.

Roth earned the ire of the coaching staff and the front office after he sat out training camp with a groin injury despite gaining clearance from doctors. Set to hit free agency after the season, he wasn't going to return to the Dolphins regardless. Miami is deep at outside linebacker, so Roth was the odd man out the rest of the way.


http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/6021256681

no interest at all...the people we have are better than him
 

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NextGenBoys;3099323 said:
Roth has experience.

Not to mention I'm sure he's 10x better against the run right now than Butler

if he were 10x better than anyone, Miami wouldnt have cut him...

obviously they thought he was a total scrub...
 

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dbair1967;3099473 said:
if he were 10x better than anyone, Miami wouldnt have cut him...

obviously they thought he was a total scrub...

Your assumptions are a little incorrect.
 

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Roth was a great player in college but somehow got crossways with Tuna. Lots of guys that don't get it done for one reason or another fall out of favor with Tuna. I'd consider picking him up for camp next year if he's out there in 5-6 weeks. Throw him on the roster at the end of the year and give him a go in the offseason program.

But then again, maybe he just couldn't adjust to OLB in the 3-4. He may be a true 4-3 DE.
 

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Sounds more like a Wade Phillips than Parcells OLB. He is a king-sized OLB with a good motor who likes to play downhill and make plays in the backfield. Phillips is pretty notorious for using guys like this wherever he has been IMO.

Who are all these other OLBs that we have who are better than Roth? We have Spencer, Ware and then a bunch of question marks. If he is available, this one looks like a no-brainer. We could axe someone like Octavien or Curtis Johnson and never notice that he was gone.

This team really needs another pass rusher for the 3rd down defense - Ellis is in Oakland and Bradie forgot how to blitz this year. We only have Ware and Ratliff right now with the odd Bowen sighting. Spencer is okay but can't finish the play. Butler has flashed at times but is hardly ever allowed out on the field. Roth managed to at least put up 5 sacks last year.

It is probably a moot point anyway as some team with a worse record will likely claim him off waivers but we should bring him in if we get the chance.
 

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I think Roth could actually play ILB and play it well. He is a tackling machine and plays with mean streak. He is also an uber duesh bag though. The reason he was let go is because he is the Antonio Byrant of linebackers. Extremely talented but a petulent child. The reason Miami got rid of him was not performance based, but rather Sparano and Parcells getting tired of his ****.
 
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