Matt Schaub traded to Texans

[dbair1967]

What are the odds that Schaub becomes the next Rob Johnson?

Pretty high, I'd have to think.

odds are still greater Vick becomes an even bigger bust as a QB

David

 

[Bob Sacamano]

good, tired of hearing that this overrated QB, Shaub, is on the market

 

[Chocolate Lab]

odds are still greater Vick becomes an even bigger bust as a QB

David

No kidding. I'd have kept Schaub and auctioned Vick off for a king's ransom. If they'd done that, they could have really built a very good team.

And the reason they probably didn't make a move like that was Vick's marketability. Hmm, if that had happened here, wouldn't people be saying that the coach was a puppet to the owner?

 

[dbair1967]

No kidding. I'd have kept Schaub and auctioned Vick off for a king's ransom. If they'd done that, they could have really built a very good team.

And the reason they probably didn't make a move like that was Vick's marketability. Hmm, if that had happened here, wouldn't people be saying that the coach was a puppet to the owner?

no question Blank is pulling the puppet strings already (again)

course had Jones done this exact same thing, it would have been reported by everyone that he was meddling and forcing a QB on Petrino

David

 

[Pabst]

So...

Houston gets
Matt Schaub
#10 Overall Pick

Atlanta gets
#8 Overall Pick
2007 Second Round Pick (#39)
2008 Second Round Pick

I'm sorry, I liked Schaub coming out of UVA, but Houston just got absolutely hosed on this trade, imo. Schaub is not even close to being worth that much value.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So...

Houston gets
Matt Schaub
#10 Overall Pick

Atlanta gets
#8 Overall Pick
2007 Second Round Pick (#39)
2008 Second Round Pick

I'm sorry, I liked Schaub coming out of UVA, but Houston just got absolutely hosed on this trade, imo. Schaub is not even close to being worth that much value.

that's basically a 3rd round pick, but you're right, I wouldn't give up more than a conditional 6th for Shaub

 

[Chocolate Lab]

course had Jones done this exact same thing, it would have been reported by everyone that he was meddling and forcing a QB on Petrino

Exactly.

 

[Pabst]

that's basically a 3rd round pick, but you're right, I wouldn't give up more than a conditional 6th for Shaub

Over-valued QBs, I guess. I thought Houston's Front Office would improve after they hired Rick Smith, but apparently he's just as incompetent as Casserly was.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Over-valued QBs, I guess. I thought Houston's Front Office would improve after they hired Rick Smith, but apparently he's just as incompetent as Casserly was.

he had 1 good game and is a WCO QB, I don't see the love for him

 

[montgod]

Boy, the Raiders made a mistake not making this move. I think that they trade their 2nd for Schuab and trade down for more picks.

Now looking at the trade...Texans really gave up a lot for Schaub who imo is still very unproven to give up this much for him.

To add to the comment above, if the Raiders were REALLY smart, they would trade a late round draft pick for Carr who I think would be just as good or better then Schaub with a change of scenery.

 

[Future]

that's basically a 3rd round pick, but you're right, I wouldn't give up more than a conditional 6th for Shaub

its say its more of a first round pick than 3rd seeing as how the texans still arent going to win more than 5-6 games

 

[BlueStar22]

like Shaub will fare any better behind that line.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I never got the love-fest for Shaub. It seemed that half the accolaides that Shaub received was more out of spite towards Vick. The fact that he's going to a horrible franchise isn't going to help him any. I'm seeing Scott Mitchell Part Deux.

 

[coogrfan]

So...

Houston gets
Matt Schaub
#10 Overall Pick

Atlanta gets
#8 Overall Pick
2007 Second Round Pick (#39)
2008 Second Round Pick

I'm sorry, I liked Schaub coming out of UVA, but Houston just got absolutely hosed on this trade, imo. Schaub is not even close to being worth that much value.

Sheer idiocy, even by Texans standards. Two second round picks (and moving down two spots in the 1st) for a career backup?!!!

 

[Aikbach]

This reminds me of Buffalo's Rob Johnson trade, guy looks brilliant on a balanced team for a couple of outtings and he's suddenly worth a stockpile of high picks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I never got the love-fest for Shaub. It seemed that half the accolaides that Shaub received was more out of spite towards Vick. The fact that he's going to a horrible franchise isn't going to help him any. I'm seeing Scott Mitchell Part Deux.

I know, right? it's like the love-fest for Roy Williams, my God he sucks in coverage, he couldn't cover my grandmother

and she's dead!

 

[vlad]

What exactly has Shaub ever done? Talk about a bunch of hype for no real reason...not saying he can't be good but what is the entire world basing that on? Pre-season work mostly from what I can tell, and we all know how deceiving that can be.

I was in Houston right before they drafted Carr, he seems like a good guy who got screwed up by a dysfunctional organization (reggie bush, vince young, leinart, cutler...), I hope he gets out somewhere that knows how to develop him correctly. Kansas City might be a good fit, learn the system and in a year he could take over, maybe Miami, Detroit, Tampa...we'll see.

I just have no idea why all the hype on Shaub, maybe someone can explain to me? thanks

 

[WoodysGirl]

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Texans move to solve QB issue


posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 | Feedback | Print Entry
filed under: Houston Texans, Atlanta Falcons, Matt Schaub, Michael Vick, David Carr

Earlier today I wrote about all the moves the Houston Texans had made this offseason and concluded that the moves had very little substance. That all changed Wednesday afternoon when the team traded for third-year QB Matt Schaub of the Atlanta Falcons.

According to reports, the Texans will send Atlanta two second-round picks, one this year and one next year, and will swap first-round picks with the Falcons this year, meaning the Falcons will pick No. 8 overall, with the Texans sliding back to No. 10.

Schaub has been the subject of trade rumors in the past but was thought to be off the market this offseason after Atlanta opted to put the first-and-third tender on him to scare off potential suitors. The Falcons are in the first year of a new coaching regime, with Bobby Petrino having replaced the departed Jim Mora. Petrino had yet to see either Schaub or starter Michael Vick perform in his offensive system, and there was some speculation that there might be more of an open competition for the starting spot this season. That all changed with this trade. Vick is clearly the guy in Atlanta, and Texans QB David Carr appears to be on his way out of Houston.

As I mentioned in my earlier blog, Carr had just about run his course in Houston. I like David Carr and think he can be an effective starter in the NFL, but I questioned how effective he could be next season on a team that had been shopping him openly throughout the offseason. There are certain things you can and can't do in the NFL. A big no-no is shopping your starting quarterback and failing to move him, then asking him to come back and be your leader.

The Texans have fixed that issue. Or have they? Sure Schaub is supposed to be the next quarterback sensation, but the numbers tell a different story. He has started two games in his career and lost both. He has completed barely more than 50 percent of his passes and has thrown six touchdowns and six interceptions. Vick gave former coach Mora many opportunities to pull the plug and go with Schaub, but Mora never wavered. While Schaub is expected to be a solid NFL starter, he has less experience than the guy he is replacing.

I like Matt Schaub. I think he has great physical tools. He has the size and the arm to play in the NFL. He is smart and plays with a lot of heart. The question that will need to be answered is, Can he lead? This team needs leadership at the quarterback position. That's an area where Carr struggled at times. Now Schaub will get his shot.

While Atlanta fans who are getting impatient with Vick might disagree, I think this deal is better for them. Sure, Vick has not proven to be the answer, but the Falcons got a lot of value for Schaub, who likely would have gotten away as an unrestricted free agent next season. I like that Petrino is telling Vick that he is his guy. I think this takes a lot of pressure off Vick as he prepares to lead the Falcons into the 2007 season.

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli is reporting that the Falcons could now potentially move towards veteran Anthony Wright to serve as Vick's backup in 2007. Wright is a veteran with starting experience, not a young up-and-comer, and that might make for a better fit with Vick, who was a little sensitive about his starting role toward the middle of last season.

I also would look for Atlanta to draft a quarterback as an insurance policy. Michigan State's Drew Stanton or Stanford's Trent Edwards surely will be on the Falcons' radar this year.

As for the Texans, this move dramatically reduced their options on draft day. There had been talk Houston might be eyeing Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn, either trading up or hoping Quinn fell to them at No. 8. With Schaub in the fold, and sitting at No. 10 instead of No. 8, Quinn likely is out of the picture. If Quinn did happen to fall to them at 10, though, they would have the option of trading back and trying to recoup the second-round pick they sent to Atlanta. The Texans also could look to trade Carr to pick up more picks later in the draft.

While this trade definitely can benefit both teams, Atlanta certainly looks like the early winner. Houston's grade on this deal will depend on Schaub and the draft.

 

[joseephuss]

Earlier ESPN radio was saying that the 2nd round picks may be conditional on how well Shaub does for the Texans. Don't know if that was true or not.

What was the initial asking price for Shaub? A 1st and a 3rd this year? Dropping two spots and losing two 2nd round picks is less than that, so Houston didn't over spend as much as they could have to get Shaub.

 

[Pabst]

Schaub was given the First and Third RFA Tender. But no one would have traded for that, so it was merely a way to protect the player from interested parties. San Diego has done the same thing with Turner, but they won't get that. Hell, Patrick Crayton was given a second round tender, Dallas doing so knowing that no one would give that up for him.

To be honest, I felt he would be dealt for a high second round draft pick, and it would have been fair. This trade blew me away in terms of how much value Houston gave up for such an unproven commodity.