Maybe Dak is really starting to get it

[KJJ]

So it's all the defenses fault? Okay, no surprise there with the excuses.

PPG allowed by Dallas by year:

2016: 19 ppg
2017: 20 ppg
2018: 20 ppg
2019: 20 ppg
2020: 29 ppg
2021: 21 ppg

So outside of 2020, the Dallas defense has been very consistent in their points allowed and most would say that 20 ppg allowed is a good defense which should allow for offenses to help win the game.

That said, here is the Dallas ppg offensive average for the same years:

2016: 26 ppg
2017: 22 ppg
2018: 21 ppg
2019: 27 ppg
2020: 24 ppg
2021: 31 ppg

So while the defense has been consistent, it is actually the offense that hasn't been and is evident in 2017, 2018, and 2020 (Dak's injury season) that the defense wasn't the reason that Dallas didn't make the playoffs but rather the offense so while you want to remove all blame from Dak the fact is the Dak led offense has blame to be placed on it.

Giving up an average of 20 points per game is still too much. We’ve given up way below that this season. We’ve only given up over 20 points once and we lost that game. The other game we lost we gave up 19 points. Our offenses have been much better than our defenses until this season. If you want put the teams struggles all on Dak go waste someone else’s time.

 

[KJJ]

In regard to the bolded, and they don't carry their team nor does Dak carry this team. There's nothing wrong with being a bus driver (which Dak is) as long as the offensive play around him and the defensive play support it (which so far the defensive play is what is getting our wins).

Starting in 2019 Dak was having to carry the team. His numbers point to it. The defense began to struggle. In previous seasons under Romo we could never win with a backup QB because of our defense. Dak has never had a defense like he’s had this season.

 

[youngjerryjones]

Just to play devils advocate. Amari Cooper led us? Who was throwing him the ball? Himself?

same guy who was throwing to receiver by committee about to be 3rd or 4th in the division... so when you ask me that year if Amari led us - he did... we paid a 1st round pick for a quality receiver being led by a 4th rounder...100 percent he carried us and you can see the affect of him leaving on the offense week 1

 

[Captain-Crash]

How did it have nothing to do with the topic?

Thanks for proving my point though. Negative/against the approved narrative = derail. I take that to mean, in a thread where the topic/OP is critical, then any "positive" posts should be considered derailing the thread??

Value being, calling someone's opinion a derailment of a thread, like your post? Wonderful mod behavior.

 

[jrumann59]

I'm what some would call a Dakstabber but please hear me out.

Dak did this as a rookie. He was a perfect bus driver. A team could and did win with him. He very frequently took the easy pass and rarely turned the ball over. He didn't take sacks. Overall, he put the team in a position to win.

At some point over the past few years, Dak and Kellen got the idea that Dak was a gunslinger and that you had to continuously attack down field. Let's be honest, they had some great games doing this but it was frequently against lesser teams. The team ran shotgun more, play action less.

Right around the Denver game last year, competent defenses figured out that Dallas wasn't really a running team anymore. They decided to sit back in layered coverage in the middle. Instead of adjusting, Moore just kept doing the same thing which was to run simplistic routes into the teeth of the coverage. Dak is left out there waiting for a receiver to get open and either forcing a ball or taking a coverage sack (against good defenses, mind you).

I was hoping that Dak/Moore had learned from Cooper's time. Cooper isn't a good QB but he successfully made the easy throws and avoided negative plays, which is largely what this team needs. The first half of the Detroit game looked like past failures. I'm not sure Moore gets it.

Overall Dak is paid a lot. Some of his fans think he is Mahomes, where he clearly isn't. This has engendered a lot of issues between fans but IMO, Dallas can win with Dak as long as he plays to his strengths and Moore follows suit.

This, all QBs have to learn a 4 pass completion is still as good as a 4 yard run on 1st down. Sometimes the 4 yard pass is all that is there, take and worry about next play when you get to the next play.

 

[Xeven]

It's not his confidence. It's his inability to read the defense.

In other words, it's his ignorance.

That and he throws behind everyone.

 

[birdwells1]

I totally disagree it is his confidence. His struggles have been mostly due to a loss of confidence. He’s been dealing with a lot of stuff the past couple of years with the ankle injury and his brothers suicide. He admitted he’s battled depression. Along with the fan base jumping on him it’s taken its toll on him. If he had a problem reading defenses he would have a ton of INT’s with all the passing he’s done over his career. He’s had to carry the team.

I totally disagree it is his confidence. His struggles have been mostly due to a loss of confidence. He’s been dealing with a lot of stuff the past couple of years with the ankle injury and his brothers suicide. He admitted he’s battled depression. Along with the fan base jumping on him it’s taken its toll on him. If he had a problem reading defenses he would have a ton of INT’s with all the passing he’s done over his career. He’s had to carry the team.

I agree they’re are a lot of All22 breakdowns on YouTube to show the whys and how’s on all plays in the Cowboys game. Those all 22 video breakdowns give context to plays like the one that Dak threw to CeeDee in triple coverage. Gallup never sold his route he didn’t run it to its proper depth to occupy the safety which Dak was anticipating. If the safety would have had to cover Gallup then that would have left CeeDee 1 on 1 with a lber with no help. Context is everything

 

[Redsfan_83]

fort off no they didn't they should have cut bait with Wentz after the SB win gave the job to foles, correct? foles played better was the MVP.. yet they cut him and kept Wentzs allowed Wentz to be a coach killer and kept Wentz further and fired their SB wining coach because they chose Wentz over him as he no longer wanted wentz as his qb.. so all that money and draft stock eventually they moved on..


and Dak still better then Hurts as an actual qb, what's your point they weren't even trusting JH lasty year going into this year,,hes just a great mobile qb who still struggles in the pocket to pass and is horrible when pressured. mistakes still happening. sure they designed a nice comfy offense for Hurts now and its working, doesn't make Hurts a great qb, Dak better IMPO il take dak over hurts, no question,

They 100% have built an offense that suits Hurts talent and limitations perfectly. He has the OL, has the weapons, so he thrives. The secret to be a successful QB in the league is an obvious one, it takes a smart team to be able to pull it off. The Eagles realized that Wentz was not going to be their guy, and made a trade to pivot away from him. Don't forget where Wentz was drafted, the expectations were much higher.

It doesn't take a football guru to see how that drafting a QB high is more a shot in the dark than anything, and the teams that drafted the Goff's, Baker's, etc, of the world realized a few years in they failed and tried to move on. The Eagles recognized this and seem to have found their guy, so at what point does Dallas realize the same thing? How much longer can we wait? We have a generational defense right now but no offense or QB that gives me as a fan the confidence we can beat the top teams. And let's be honest that the most recent version of Dak is not as good as Hurts, and for any Cowboys fan that is painful to admit. Who/what is Dak right now? Do you know? Does anybody know?

 

[Kevinicus]

Notice it was deleted.

Falsely calling out users in public (for normal by the rules posts) is a-ok, but don't call them out their poor behavior.

 

[Typhus]

Although we’ve had a terrific pass rush, the best I can remember since the 90s we’re still a bend but don’t break defense and that’s been due to our inability to stop the run consistently. This is why we just traded for a run stuffer. Teams have moved the ball against us, but we haven’t been giving up TDs. That’s the definition of bend but don’t break. We’re going to need more from our QB position if we’re going start scoring more points. Just pounding for 3 yards and a cloud of dust every game is going to keep our score down and prevent us from pulling away from opponents. We have to start passing the ball more and passing it efficiently which isn’t going to be easy with our receiving group. We’re going to have a tough time surviving the rest of the season entering the fourth quarter practically every week in a 10-6 battle. We have to start scoring more TDs. We can’t keep relying on our defense to keep opponents under 20 points every game.

Receivers are fine, just have to start utilizing the talent properly.
Hendershot is waving for passes.
I now this team isn't stacked at WR, but not without solid weapons.

 

[Hadenough]

You do realize players are required to talk with the press, right? When a player is asked a question, do you expect them to repeatedly say no comment?

Of course but he needs to stop talking about himself and start giving the team credit.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Of course but he needs to stop talking about himself and start giving the team credit.

His responses depend on what questions he’s asked.

 

[Hadenough]

It's relevant because the Cowboys could have drafted Hurts and be riding his rookie contract right now as opposed to paying Prescott $40 million a season. It's impossible to take Prescott on a rookie contract over Hurts on his second contract because this isn't make believe but what actually happened in real life.

Dak on a 40 mil a year contract is just bad business. And the worst is yet to come because they can't cut him and will end up restructuring his contract so Dallas will have another albatross to deal with.

 

[AtomicDog]

Dak was brilliant his rookie year. That Dak could take us somewhere this year. But that Dak seems long gone.

 

[Runwildboys]

Dak was brilliant his rookie year. That Dak could take us somewhere this year. But that Dak seems long gone.

Was he brilliant, or was he just unknown?

 

[KJJ]

Receivers are fine, just have to start utilizing the talent properly.
Hendershot is waving for passes.
I now this team isn't stacked at WR, but not without solid weapons.

The TE‘s half potential but the WR‘s aren’t fine. This is not a good group, they don’t battle for the ball and they drop balls. It will have to be addressed during the offseason.

 

[Surfguy]

“You’ve lost! You just don’t know it yet!”

“He’s got it! He’s got it!”

Sorry.

 

[5Stars]

Exactly......be patient, play smart

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/10/24/dak-prescott-grateful-dallas-cowboys-defense

Dak Prescott Is Grateful for the Cowboys Team Around Him
The QB has a new lease on life after watching his team battle without him for five weeks, and he opens up about what it was like getting back on the field in Week 7.

That set up the rest of a first half through which Prescott, and the guys around him, were testing their boundaries and Prescott himself was testing the thumb.

“There were the two throws that I made early that, not necessarily I want back because they didn’t turn out bad, but yeah, that was my confidence and that’s what I’ve got to guard against,” he said. “It’s understanding that I do have this team, and I don’t have to try to force these balls, whether it be third down or whether it be a tight window. I have to continue to play the game, check it down, put us in field position and trust our defense to get it to back to us.

Walking a tight rope over a cliff you better hold on, you are not the "Big **-er" that you thought you were. Talk is cheap...now you know how to do the walk...let's check it out.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Notice it was deleted.

Falsely calling out users in public (for normal by-the-rules posts) is a-ok, but don't call them out for their poor behavior.

It's still there in my reply. LOL

 

[DuceizBak]

I think you are interpreting this wrong. The great Nate Newton describes Tom Brady as "the best game manager of all time." He also classifies Troy Aikman as a tremendous game manager. I believe along with Nate that ALL QBs should be game managers. But as with everything, some are better at it than others. Being a game manager doesn't mean you CAN'T sling it.. Being a game manager means knowing when you need to sling it and when you don't... and being comfortable with either as long as the end result is a win. A GOOD game manager is one who knows what it takes to win and does whatever that is on any given Sunday. Hand it off, run it, sling it deep, sling it short, quick strike, long drives. Whatever it takes.. do it and win.. THAT is what a game manager is to me..

Tom Brady has played in multiple systems, as has Dak. It's used as an insult whether it is intended or not. Josh Mcdaniels and other OC's never ran one continuous scheme. Managing the game means you can't overcome when things go off script and you may get down....Brady obviously can, and Dak's done it before. A Game manager is a QB that is straight up an down no special effects. ALa Mark Sanchez, Jared Goff, Jacoby Brissett. Of course every QB has a system to manage that's a cop out, but you wouldn't call Allen or Mahomes game managers.