CFZ Maybe this guy masked the Cowboys problems the last 3 seasons

[montgod]

The Dallas FO's ineptitude has been the main ingredient in determining the sad history of their decline. It simply reveals a painful picture of what this franchise has ultimately come to. At some point in the future, one might think they'd manage to snap out of their inept management. Sadly, such an unlikely happening simply doesn't appear to be in the books. It's beyond sad to consider that a capable GM might actually provide success, if only Jerry & Son opened their eyes and minds to the real picture.

Unfortunately, I don't see any end in sight. Jerry has no thought process that doesn't include him at the helm of all decisions regardless of the outcome hence why he continues to throw excuses out there for every facet of the organization and hot button issue that arises in the media that puts him in a bad light. He's so far gone, he still thinks it's a salvageable season even after two games with Rush at the helm and getting blown out both games so far..

 

[chicago JK]

Quinn is really good. Zimmer has been good as well in the past. Although age gets all of us. Maybe his time has passed. It has happened to better coordinators. Although, the main issue is you hired Zim to coach the defense with Quinn players. That is not Zimmer's style. It wasn't hard to predict that the defense would regress with no additions (and got worse) and not add any players better suited for Zimmer's scheme (besides Kendricks). It was deemed to fail. Not saying Zimmer has been good, but the whole thing was set up to fail. #allin.

 

[jazzcat22]

The masked problem is Rowdy.

 

[john van brocklin]

Dan Quinn and his defensive scheme…

Is it possible that DQ’s defensive scheme with its monster pass rush and turnover machine drive was the team’s identity and philosophy for the last three 12 win seasons? Is it possible that defensive philosophy actually masked the team’s deeper warts until we played better teams? It’s very possible. This year, a really, really bad front office has pulled the mask off.

The Cowboys were at or near the top of the NFL in turnovers and sacks for 3 straight years. If the Cowboys got ahead by 10 or more points in games, it was curtains for our opponents - especially the below average teams. Last year the Cowboys were undefeated when they scored first. In all but one of our wins last year, we scored first. In all 6 losses (including the GB playoff loss) the other team scored first. If we got behind by more than 7, our defense was not the same.

Yeah I know our offense scored a bunch the last 3 years. But how much of that was gift wrapped by turnovers? And it’s also painfully obvious that this front office had the worst roster building off-season I’ve ever seen in Cowboys history. This offense has 1.5 weapons. Cedee Lamb and occasionally Jake Ferguson. And an OL that looks like Swiss cheese. Ouch.

With no sack and TO machine to cover the team’s deeper issues, and with JJ and SJ throwing this season away, the Cowboys are way worse than they appeared to be before the season started.

Whatever happens with a new HC in the future, this team badly needs a new identity. And whoever is hired to come in here next year has a very barren roster to build on.

There’s no masking that anymore.

As I have said so many times and in so many ways, until Jerry steps down, this team will never win anything of consequence.
I hope we NEVER win another game, to force him to step down.
Only then do we have any hope.
So sad its come to this.

 

[Jarntt]

Now do the Offense...

 

[Dalmations202]

The Flex defense was great till enough film was on it and enough coaches had moved on from the Cowboys who knew all the keys and that a backside TE would destroy it.
Buddy Ryans 46 was awesome with the right players, till enough film on it
Tampa 2 was excellent until.
and so on and so on and so on.

Mike Zimmer can coach a 4-3, but he doesn't have the right players for it, and even if he did.......the book to beat it is out there.
Dan Quinn has a beautiful D, but the book is out there. San Francisco and Green Bay have used it to perfection.

Either get a young coach that can design newer better stuff,
or get better players that can adapt to differing defensive ideas based upon what the offense can do.

Dallas has neither the coaching, nor the "better than everyone else" players., nor adaptable players.

Dan Quinn's defense was better than a new 4-3 without the players and a full book on it, but it still wasn't going to win the Superbowl.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dan Quinn and his defensive scheme…

Is it possible that DQ’s defensive scheme with its monster pass rush and turnover machine drive was the team’s identity and philosophy for the last three 12 win seasons? Is it possible that defensive philosophy actually masked the team’s deeper warts until we played better teams? It’s very possible. This year, a really, really bad front office has pulled the mask off.

The Cowboys were at or near the top of the NFL in turnovers and sacks for 3 straight years. If the Cowboys got ahead by 10 or more points in games, it was curtains for our opponents - especially the below average teams. Last year the Cowboys were undefeated when they scored first. In all but one of our wins last year, we scored first. In all 6 losses (including the GB playoff loss) the other team scored first. If we got behind by more than 7, our defense was not the same.

Yeah I know our offense scored a bunch the last 3 years. But how much of that was gift wrapped by turnovers? And it’s also painfully obvious that this front office had the worst roster building off-season I’ve ever seen in Cowboys history. This offense has 1.5 weapons. Cedee Lamb and occasionally Jake Ferguson. And an OL that looks like Swiss cheese. Ouch.

With no sack and TO machine to cover the team’s deeper issues, and with JJ and SJ throwing this season away, the Cowboys are way worse than they appeared to be before the season started.

Whatever happens with a new HC in the future, this team badly needs a new identity. And whoever is hired to come in here next year has a very barren roster to build on.

There’s no masking that anymore.

I would agree until I saw the Packers game and how bad they were.

 

[JayFord]

Well injuries are a big factor

Not resigning depth and rotational players was another YOU NEED guys like Hankins, Fowler and Armstrong

Quinn was leaving anyways he wanted to be HC

I loved Quinn so much….but against good and great offenses our defense was bad…the same thing has carried over in Washington, that run defense is putrid and the pass defense is bad against good offenses

 

[JayFord]

Also Zimmers defense is predicated on having great DTs who stop the run clog up lanes and DEs that can rush the passer

It’s not turnover heavy it’s a 3 and out heavy kind of defense and he doesn’t have the personal for it at all

 

[glimmerman]

I think the Offense was better. We lost players and didn’t get a RB. No run game hurts for the last few years on Offense. Our Defense lost some descent players when quinn left. He actually took them with him. Injuries to Sam and D-Law and Parsons hurt. Losing our DT over 2 million dollars was stupid. He was better than what we have now. We need to run blitz to stop anything. And our secondary is playing way too far off the receiver.

 

[Nova]

Quinn deserves credit and blame.

Quinn improved a very weak defense, but over time, our talent dropped off to the point where he could no longer cover its flaws.

But I think Quinn is partly to blame for the drop off in talent. After all, it seems like we were trying to get guys to fit his scheme which lead to personnel not suited to stop the run.

Basically, Quinn can cook but you probably don't want him doing the grocery shopping.

 

[Proof]

Quinn is really good. Zimmer has been good as well in the past. Although age gets all of us. Maybe his time has passed. It has happened to better coordinators. Although, the main issue is you hired Zim to coach the defense with Quinn players. That is not Zimmer's style. It wasn't hard to predict that the defense would regress with no additions (and got worse) and not add any players better suited for Zimmer's scheme (besides Kendricks). It was deemed to fail. Not saying Zimmer has been good, but the whole thing was set up to fail. #allin.

he got kendricks and overshown. i honestly think the bigger issue was losing williams and kneeland and tank and micah in succession. doesn't really explain the saints game, but i have no answers there.

 

[nhcowboysfan]

Agree. Quinn made this defense look better than it was. He also had players motivated and excited to play.

Obviously, he's not perfect. But the fall off to where we are at today is severe.

And it may have been even better if we had legitimate defensive tackles and actual linebackers playing the LB spot rather than safeties.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Quinn had Hankins/DLaw/Fowler/Armstrong/Gallimore/Gilmore/Bland/Kearse.

Honestly, how do you miss obvious stuff like this?

I'm sorry, but I am having a hard time believing there's a large enough gap in talent between those players and the current players that are getting it historically handed to them on a weekly basis.
Also, your group of "ok" players were involved in the Green Bay playoff debacle.

 

[noshame]

Dan Quinn and his defensive scheme…

Is it possible that DQ’s defensive scheme with its monster pass rush and turnover machine drive was the team’s identity and philosophy for the last three 12 win seasons? Is it possible that defensive philosophy actually masked the team’s deeper warts until we played better teams? It’s very possible. This year, a really, really bad front office has pulled the mask off.

The Cowboys were at or near the top of the NFL in turnovers and sacks for 3 straight years. If the Cowboys got ahead by 10 or more points in games, it was curtains for our opponents - especially the below average teams. Last year the Cowboys were undefeated when they scored first. In all but one of our wins last year, we scored first. In all 6 losses (including the GB playoff loss) the other team scored first. If we got behind by more than 7, our defense was not the same.

Yeah I know our offense scored a bunch the last 3 years. But how much of that was gift wrapped by turnovers? And it’s also painfully obvious that this front office had the worst roster building off-season I’ve ever seen in Cowboys history. This offense has 1.5 weapons. Cedee Lamb and occasionally Jake Ferguson. And an OL that looks like Swiss cheese. Ouch.

With no sack and TO machine to cover the team’s deeper issues, and with JJ and SJ throwing this season away, the Cowboys are way worse than they appeared to be before the season started.

Whatever happens with a new HC in the future, this team badly needs a new identity. And whoever is hired to come in here next year has a very barren roster to build on.

There’s no masking that anymore.

No doubt Dan Quinn was a hard loss. Turns out Kellen Moore was better than many thought also.
And of course, our current offensive line coach is just pathetic.

 

[ArtClink]

@Bobhaze - Very interesting premise and one I have not heard from the so-called experts. You make a very compelling argument about Quinn. IMO, a coach's personality really matters in Dallas where no player reports to a coach but to Jerry directly. Quinn seemed to have good relationships with his players and in our unique culture, that can determine how hard players play.

The season is the season Jerry and Giggles have deserved for a long time and a lot more people are seeing what we've known for 20+ years about this dysfunctional franchise. Jerry seems to be playing the spite card over and over so I wonder what will the next offseason look like? Sure we will get a high draft pick but there seems to be holes everywhere except kicker lol.

As a billionaire, Jerry will never face any real consequences for his actions, but he has started experiencing a lot of anger from more fans and that's long overdue.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Is it possible that DQ’s defensive scheme with its monster pass rush and turnover machine drive was the team’s identity and philosophy for the last three 12 win seasons?

That was a big part of it, yes. I was dumbfounded at the number of people here that actually celebrated his departure. That was a huge loss for the team.

I've posted this before, but it bears repeating:

Cowboys defense under Dan Quinn since 2021​

		NFL RANK
PPG Allowed	19.9	5th
3rd Down Pct Allowed	36.4%	4th
Sacks	141	6th
QB Pressure Rate	41.4%	1st
TD-INT Allowed	68-59	2nd
Interceptions	59	1st
Takeaways	93	1st
Defensive TD	15	1st

When Quinn took over the Dallas defense, there was an immediate, significant improvement.

I wish Dallas had canned McCarthy after the Green Bay loss and promoted Quinn.

Dallas has downgraded both its defensive and offensive coordinator positions. Amateur GM at work.

 

[Proof]

I'm sorry, but I am having a hard time believing there's a large enough gap in talent between those players and the current players that are getting it historically handed to them on a weekly basis.
Also, your group of "ok" players were involved in the Green Bay playoff debacle.

right. i honestly just don't get it. and why i'm hoping with rose colored glasses that they can rebound with some highly drafted pieces added.

 

[Eightneight]

The only saving grace to this season is IF Jerrah drafts a QB in the next draft. It's past time that they finally invest high draft capital in a QB. It's unfathomable they haven't drafted a QB in rd 1 since Aikman.....and look how that worked out.

 

[GoCowboysGo]

DQ’s defense couldn’t stop the run either.

But you’re right, I used to call it “fool’s gold D”, and the turnovers they created were not there in high pressure situations.

Prescott helped more than we would like to think, but the team couldn’t excel where champions do. Running the ball and stopping the run.

It’s how all Cowboys championships were won. It’s like JJ is trying to prove he can outsmart this team’s history.