CFZ Maybe this guy masked the Cowboys problems the last 3 seasons

[Cowboys5217]

This is why I wanted them to back up the brinks truck for Quinn, and why I was so adamant about not hiring a retread, previously failed coach in Zimmer.

I told everyone that swore to me that Zimmer would bring a better run defense while sacrificing "some" turnovers and sacks. I told them you will get far less turnovers and sacks while still not stopping the run, because I know who Zimmer is.

For those that told me that I don't know football, and should find a new team over those remarks... How do you like me now?

Perhaps, just perhaps, people like me, a guy on the internet, DO KNOW FOOTBALL better than Jerry does.

 

[sacase]

Zimmer plays a lot of zone. We suck at Zone and have man to man CBs not zone CBs. honestly we should be in a 3-4.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Zimmer plays a lot of zone. We suck at Zone and have man to man CBs not zone CBs. honestly we should be in a 3-4.

It doesn't matter what players or scheme if a failed bum like Zimmer is your coach.

 

[Aven8]

Dan Quinn and his defensive scheme…

Is it possible that DQ’s defensive scheme with its monster pass rush and turnover machine drive was the team’s identity and philosophy for the last three 12 win seasons? Is it possible that defensive philosophy actually masked the team’s deeper warts until we played better teams? It’s very possible. This year, a really, really bad front office has pulled the mask off.

The Cowboys were at or near the top of the NFL in turnovers and sacks for 3 straight years. If the Cowboys got ahead by 10 or more points in games, it was curtains for our opponents - especially the below average teams. Last year the Cowboys were undefeated when they scored first. In all but one of our wins last year, we scored first. In all 6 losses (including the GB playoff loss) the other team scored first. If we got behind by more than 7, our defense was not the same.

Yeah I know our offense scored a bunch the last 3 years. But how much of that was gift wrapped by turnovers? And it’s also painfully obvious that this front office had the worst roster building off-season I’ve ever seen in Cowboys history. This offense has 1.5 weapons. Cedee Lamb and occasionally Jake Ferguson. And an OL that looks like Swiss cheese. Ouch.

With no sack and TO machine to cover the team’s deeper issues, and with JJ and SJ throwing this season away, the Cowboys are way worse than they appeared to be before the season started.

Whatever happens with a new HC in the future, this team badly needs a new identity. And whoever is hired to come in here next year has a very barren roster to build on.

There’s no masking that anymore.

I heard today that Wash is 30th in rushing allowed at 130 per game. That’s worse than their previous two seasons as an awful team. It’s give and take with DQ’s scheme but I would take it right now!

 

[75boyz]

That was a big part of it, yes. I was dumbfounded at the number of people here that actually celebrated his departure. That was a huge loss for the team.

I've posted this before, but it bears repeating:

Cowboys defense under Dan Quinn since 2021​

		NFL RANK
PPG Allowed	19.9	5th
3rd Down Pct Allowed	36.4%	4th
Sacks	141	6th
QB Pressure Rate	41.4%	1st
TD-INT Allowed	68-59	2nd
Interceptions	59	1st
Takeaways	93	1st
Defensive TD	15	1st

When Quinn took over the Dallas defense, there was an immediate, significant improvement.

I wish Dallas had canned McCarthy after the Green Bay loss and promoted Quinn.

Dallas has downgraded both its defensive and offensive coordinator positions. Amateur GM at work.

Nice post.

 

[Mr_437]

The good MOJO went with DQ to Washington...McCarthy was benefitting from Quinn and got the credit.

 

[G2]

That was a big part of it, yes. I was dumbfounded at the number of people here that actually celebrated his departure. That was a huge loss for the team.

I've posted this before, but it bears repeating:

Cowboys defense under Dan Quinn since 2021​

		NFL RANK
PPG Allowed	19.9	5th
3rd Down Pct Allowed	36.4%	4th
Sacks	141	6th
QB Pressure Rate	41.4%	1st
TD-INT Allowed	68-59	2nd
Interceptions	59	1st
Takeaways	93	1st
Defensive TD	15	1st

When Quinn took over the Dallas defense, there was an immediate, significant improvement.

I wish Dallas had canned McCarthy after the Green Bay loss and promoted Quinn.

Dallas has downgraded both its defensive and offensive coordinator positions. Amateur GM at work.

He had a much better roster.

 

[Floatyworm]

Dan Quinn and his defensive scheme…

Is it possible that DQ’s defensive scheme with its monster pass rush and turnover machine drive was the team’s identity and philosophy for the last three 12 win seasons? Is it possible that defensive philosophy actually masked the team’s deeper warts until we played better teams? It’s very possible. This year, a really, really bad front office has pulled the mask off.

The Cowboys were at or near the top of the NFL in turnovers and sacks for 3 straight years. If the Cowboys got ahead by 10 or more points in games, it was curtains for our opponents - especially the below average teams. Last year the Cowboys were undefeated when they scored first. In all but one of our wins last year, we scored first. In all 6 losses (including the GB playoff loss) the other team scored first. If we got behind by more than 7, our defense was not the same.

Yeah I know our offense scored a bunch the last 3 years. But how much of that was gift wrapped by turnovers? And it’s also painfully obvious that this front office had the worst roster building off-season I’ve ever seen in Cowboys history. This offense has 1.5 weapons. Cedee Lamb and occasionally Jake Ferguson. And an OL that looks like Swiss cheese. Ouch.

With no sack and TO machine to cover the team’s deeper issues, and with JJ and SJ throwing this season away, the Cowboys are way worse than they appeared to be before the season started.

Whatever happens with a new HC in the future, this team badly needs a new identity. And whoever is hired to come in here next year has a very barren roster to build on.

There’s no masking that anymore.

Absolutely agree....Those defensive TDs masked alot of offensive short comings.

 

[Brax]

No question the offense was good and we lost some good pass rushers. But I’m starting to think Quinn’s scheme actually masked some much deeper roster issues.

DQ scheme masked players deficiency, but the team was built on getting a early lead and forcing teams to play from behind, unfortunately when the O disappeared for the first half of a game the D scheme failed because it had to change and the personnel needed were not up to the task. Fools gold in belief the O was so good, KM was trash and run out of town by MM and many here because he just scored to many points and MM didn’t like it.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Agree. Quinn made this defense look better than it was. He also had players motivated and excited to play.

Obviously, he's not perfect. But the fall off to where we are at today is severe.

except in the playoffs

 

[Creeper]

Possible? Yes, but Green Bay ripped the mask off and trampled it.

We also cannot ignore the talent drain on defense during the offseason, some of which went to Quinn. When you realize we lost Fowler, Armstrong, Hankins (who is way better than Joseph at this point), then lost Sam Williams, DLaw and Bland to injury, you have to believe even Quinn would struggle making this defense effective,. Would he be better than Zimmer? Probably, but Zimmer has been a major disappointment so far.

 

[JW82]

Just to be fair DQ was there with his thumb somehere for that Green Bay spanking too.

 

[tomokawan]

I would agree until I saw the Packers game and how bad they were.

Some seem to forget this or other games against better teams like the 9er's and Bills. I don't miss Quinn for one second.

 

[Bobhaze]

And I want to be clear, I’m not saying Quinn’s defense was better than it was. It was good at certain things for sure. My bigger point is Quinn’s D was good enough to mask some deeper problems we’ve had for years. Like the middle of this defensive roster. DT, LB and S have not been really good for a very long time.

Quinn’s scheme was a breath of fresh air for a franchise led by a front office that is literally clueless how to build a great roster in the salary cap era. They don’t know how to do it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Some seem to forget this or other games against better teams like the 9er's and Bills. I don't miss Quinn for one second.

I don’t get why. Yeah he got some solid performances but one thing consistent is never could stop the run. The offense just allowed them to get away with it sometimes.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore were both seriously undervalued here.

Delete talent on both sides of the ball, add Mike Zimmer and Brian Schottenheimer, and boom. 3-7 on the way to 4-13 at best.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I don’t get why. Yeah he got some solid performances but one thing consistent is never could stop the run. The offense just allowed them to get away with it sometimes.

The big thing was Quinn's scheme forced turnovers. Dallas just isn't getting those extra possessions this year that changed the complexion of a lot of games the past few years.

Of course this is just one problem on a list longer than my arm.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The big thing was Quinn's scheme forced turnovers. Dallas just isn't getting those extra possessions this year that changed the complexion of a lot of games the past few years.

Of course this is just one problem on a list longer than my arm.

It forced turnovers because the offense required it. You knew you needed 26 to 30 points to beat the Cowboys…..now that we score 10-15 points just run the football and control clock.

 

[Stak78]

You mean coaching matters? Someone needs to let Jerry know. He thinks coaching is an afterthought. That’s why playoff success has been nonexistent.

 

[lostar2009]

DQ scheme didn't mask anything. JJ allowed a great deal of talent leave and never replenish it. Plus the bets on rookies and some roster guys did not work out. We knew this team had some holes this season, and we knew JJ shorted this team.