CFZ Maybe this guy masked the Cowboys problems the last 3 seasons

[kskboys]

This is why I wanted them to back up the brinks truck for Quinn, and why I was so adamant about not hiring a retread, previously failed coach in Zimmer.

I told everyone that swore to me that Zimmer would bring a better run defense while sacrificing "some" turnovers and sacks. I told them you will get far less turnovers and sacks while still not stopping the run, because I know who Zimmer is.

For those that told me that I don't know football, and should find a new team over those remarks... How do you like me now?

Perhaps, just perhaps, people like me, a guy on the internet, DO KNOW FOOTBALL better than Jerry does.

First, look at the players we let walk. Then maybe you can like yourself!!!!

 

[kskboys]

DQ scheme masked players deficiency, but the team was built on getting a early lead and forcing teams to play from behind, unfortunately when the O disappeared for the first half of a game the D scheme failed because it had to change and the personnel needed were not up to the task. Fools gold in belief the O was so good, KM was trash and run out of town by MM and many here because he just scored to many points and MM didn’t like it.

And that is a very poor way to build a team.

 

[exciter]

Dan Quinn and his defensive scheme…

Is it possible that DQ’s defensive scheme with its monster pass rush and turnover machine drive was the team’s identity and philosophy for the last three 12 win seasons? Is it possible that defensive philosophy actually masked the team’s deeper warts until we played better teams? It’s very possible. This year, a really, really bad front office has pulled the mask off.

The Cowboys were at or near the top of the NFL in turnovers and sacks for 3 straight years. If the Cowboys got ahead by 10 or more points in games, it was curtains for our opponents - especially the below average teams. Last year the Cowboys were undefeated when they scored first. In all but one of our wins last year, we scored first. In all 6 losses (including the GB playoff loss) the other team scored first. If we got behind by more than 7, our defense was not the same.

Yeah I know our offense scored a bunch the last 3 years. But how much of that was gift wrapped by turnovers? And it’s also painfully obvious that this front office had the worst roster building off-season I’ve ever seen in Cowboys history. This offense has 1.5 weapons. Cedee Lamb and occasionally Jake Ferguson. And an OL that looks like Swiss cheese. Ouch.

With no sack and TO machine to cover the team’s deeper issues, and with JJ and SJ throwing this season away, the Cowboys are way worse than they appeared to be before the season started.

Whatever happens with a new HC in the future, this team badly needs a new identity. And whoever is hired to come in here next year has a very barren roster to build on.

There’s no masking that anymore.

Hmmm… so you don’t figure it had more to do with having to start what was your #6 DE from last season, along with playing an UDFA who was mostly inactive and a guy who’s been a walking IR designation for the last 3 seasons. And your starting 1tech being less serviceable than your typical below average serviceable player.

On offense you’re starting 2 rookies, combined with a practice squad type RB and someone who was over the hill 3 seasons ago, giving the opposing defensive ends the safe option of just pinning their ears and rushing because there’s nothing about the rushing attack they have to respect!

 

[Bobhaze]

I would agree until I saw the Packers game and how bad they were.

Right. But it was more than the defense that was flawed. The whole roster construction has been a problem here for years.

I contend this FO sees roster building like fantasy football. Draft and develop a few “stars“, usually at the skill positions, pay them big when their rookie deals are up, go super cheap in FA for “holes” in the roster, and keep your fingers crossed that the rookies you draft will mostly be “plug and play”. Most rookies aren’t.

The other HUGE problem for this FO is there are multiple great organizations that also have several huge contracts on their rosters but they understand how to manipulate the cap to their advantage. Look at Philly, Buff, KC, TB, Chargers, Balt….they all have high dollar QB contracts, along with other highly paid “stars” yet somehow they make trades, sign FAs AND draft well.

 

[Bobhaze]

Hmmm… so you don’t figure it had more to do with having to start what was your #6 DE from last season, along with playing an UDFA who was mostly inactive and a guy who’s been a walking IR designation for the last 3 seasons. And your starting 1tech being less serviceable than your typical below average serviceable player.

On offense you’re starting 2 rookies, combined with a practice squad type RB and someone who was over the hill 3 seasons ago, giving the opposing defensive ends the safe option of just pinning their ears and rushing because there’s nothing about the rushing attack they have to respect!

Well, yeah…this front office let tons of talent walk this off-season, waited waaaaay too long to sign the big contracts they knew they were going to sign all along, which then hand cuffed them when they could have freed up cap space and acquired more talent. This was the WORST off-season I’ve ever seen and I’m old.

Look, there is no way any decent front office in this league has the off-season JJ and SJ had this last spring and summer and doesn’t get fired. It could be studied for years in how to destroy your future in several easy steps. And it was completely avoidable.

 

[gimmesix]

No question the offense was good and we lost some good pass rushers. But I’m starting to think Quinn’s scheme actually masked some much deeper roster issues.

Our approach to free agency makes it necessary to pick your poison. You just aren't going to have the parts to be good at everything. Quinn's choice was pass rush and turnovers. That made the defense look better than it was until facing better offenses that could exploit the weaknesses.

Now, I don't know what Quinn would have done differently with better players. I mean, the Commanders pretty much went out and got him everything he wanted and his defense is only middle of the pack, and he's having some of the same run defense issues. Of course, it's his first year so he'll try to build on that.

My feeling, though, has always been that Quinn did more with less here. Our defensive tackles have sucked since Parcells' drafts, and there's only so much you can do to cover for that. We also were playing a safety at linebacker last year because we didn't have a better option after LVE got hurt. Quinn might have been, Yeah, we can do it, but that's where your personnel people need to step in and get you what you need.

 

[plasticman]

Any coach that would actively pursue the job of Cowboys HC would have to be completely without self-respect.

How could a true, professional NFL HC tolerate a single word out of Jerry's mouth except to respond to the HC's demands.

Jerry Jones's only official football-related task should be "guy that signs the checks".

Jerry Jones should have nothing to do with do with hiring, firing, salary cap management, contract negotiations, media communications, trading, evaluating talent, offensive or defensive philosophy, team structure, player development, gameplanning, halftime speeches, and even selecting room assignments for players at away games.

He should just focus on the hand and finger action required for check signing.

That was the winning formula in the early 90's despite Jerry's pathetic attempt to rewrite history.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Dan Quinn and his defensive scheme…

Is it possible that DQ’s defensive scheme with its monster pass rush and turnover machine drive was the team’s identity and philosophy for the last three 12 win seasons? Is it possible that defensive philosophy actually masked the team’s deeper warts until we played better teams? It’s very possible. This year, a really, really bad front office has pulled the mask off.

The Cowboys were at or near the top of the NFL in turnovers and sacks for 3 straight years. If the Cowboys got ahead by 10 or more points in games, it was curtains for our opponents - especially the below average teams. Last year the Cowboys were undefeated when they scored first. In all but one of our wins last year, we scored first. In all 6 losses (including the GB playoff loss) the other team scored first. If we got behind by more than 7, our defense was not the same.

Yeah I know our offense scored a bunch the last 3 years. But how much of that was gift wrapped by turnovers? And it’s also painfully obvious that this front office had the worst roster building off-season I’ve ever seen in Cowboys history. This offense has 1.5 weapons. Cedee Lamb and occasionally Jake Ferguson. And an OL that looks like Swiss cheese. Ouch.

With no sack and TO machine to cover the team’s deeper issues, and with JJ and SJ throwing this season away, the Cowboys are way worse than they appeared to be before the season started.

Whatever happens with a new HC in the future, this team badly needs a new identity. And whoever is hired to come in here next year has a very barren roster to build on.

There’s no masking that anymore.

Quinn’s teams had Armstrong, Fowler and Hankins. Those are 3 bodies the DL doesn’t have right now.

I would say a healthy DLaw but that didn’t matter vs the Saints/Ravens

 

[Cmac]

Many Eagles fans felt this way. Shannon Sharpe talked about it constantly too…saying Dak benefited by shorter fields, defensive splash plays, and scoop and scores, more than any other QB

Huh?.....can we get back to the defense looks like an open door?

 

[Brax]

And that is a very poor way to build a team.

Yes it is but Jerry’s way

 

[Diehardblues]

Yup. Thing is, his crapp does not work in the playoffs. Only works against the dredges of the league.

Yep and we are seeing it this year at Wash. Their easy schedule benefitted them early in season but once it toughened up they begin losing.

They still are WC potential but are being exposed by the better teams .

One thing for sure is Wash finally found their QB. I’d credit that more than their defense for a quick turnaround.

 

[Dalmations202]

Yep and we are seeing it this year at Wash. Their easy schedule benefitted them early in season but once it toughened up they begin losing.

They still are WC potential but are being exposed by the better teams .

One thing for sure is Wash finally found their QB. I’d credit that more than their defense for a quick turnaround.

Did they really find their QB, or did they find an OC/QB coach that could design the offense based upon the strengths of the QB --- so he could succeed?

 

[J_Allen]

It's possible but I never understood why he would let the opponents score before the end of the first half and end of the game. He has no concept of keeping his foot on the opponent's neck and that's why he lost to Tom Brady after being ahead by 28 points.

Remember his first year when he pulled over half of our defensive starters and almost lost the game? I haven't been that angry about a football game in a long time. It's just inexcusable.

 

[Diehardblues]

Did they really find their QB, or did they find an OC/QB coach that could design the offense based upon the strengths of the QB --- so he could succeed?

Time will tell but based on what I’ve seen thus far it certainly appears to me they have found their QB. Things could change of course.

 

[Homer]

I would say thats definitely a possibility.
We could see the difference in the defense when he was here.
For the longest time, this team was always on the bottom of the list in TO's forced.
And then with Quinn we became one of the best. Though of course there are other factors, him leaving is definitely one of them.

 

[mfiggs18]

We also aren't playing a lot of teams picking in the top 10 this year like previous seasons