Mayowa, Russell, Tapper, Irving

[Irvin88_4life]

Yeah..it's also unfair to say they'd be as good as the guys we had...mincey led the team in sacks...let's see if any of these guys can do that

Never said they were. They are unknown, 1 of them might break out with double digit sacks. Who knows but to blame them for the GB lost and non playoff success isn't right when they weren't on the team

 

[Irvin88_4life]

These 4 have 2 career sacks between the lot of them and 2 are later round rookies, who historically almost never have a real impact in their first season.

I can't imagine how anyone can make the argument that game would have been different with this list of complete inexperience on the field.

Well they are young and unknown so we have no idea what they can do. But let's not blame them when they weren't on the team

 

[wileedog]

Well they are young and unknown so we have no idea what they can do. But let's not blame them when they weren't on the team

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm saying that proclaiming this group as better than the one on the field against GB at this point in their careers is ludicrous.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

And the flipside to that is you just listed 4 guys who likely will never be much more than JAGs. Not sure why people keep listing these guys as if they are superstars in waiting. We'll be lucky if one develops into a stud and one develops into a serviceable player.

I hope all four become studs but it's unlikely and the reality is that the DE spot right now for the Cowboys is in a precarious situation.

Let's put it another way. If the new coaching staff in Philly ran out Russell, Mayowa, Tapper and Irving as their DE rotation to start the season, there is not a shred of doubt in my mind there would be fans here talking about what an embarrassment that is and how Philly would lack any credible DE talent.

They are young and unknown so we have no idea what they can do. Maybe they are worst then we have, maybe they excel with better interior we don't know

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm saying that proclaiming this group as better than the one on the field against GB at this point in their careers is ludicrous.

Not really hard to be better when the team in GB couldn't get to a 1 legged Rodgers

 

[wileedog]

Not really hard to be better when the team in GB couldn't get to a 1 legged Rodgers

OK. So make a case why this group of mid round rookies, a UDFA off another team's practice squad, and a guy the Raiders let walk with 2 career sacks in 3 years be significantly better?

 

[cowboyblue22]

lots of youth and short on experience not much talent this defense along with this team is in trouble for this season the talent level is where the cowboys are really lacking on defense.

 

[Plankton]

This may seem irrelevant but I don't see how Lawrence's suspension was upheld. He took amphetamines and he didn't seem to be aware of the fact that it would lead to this. He has matured and it doesn't seem like he did it out of stupidity.

Keep in mind that Lawrence's suspension was not for PEDs, but for substance abuse, which would indicate that he has failed four drug tests.

 

[Jstopper]

And that is not even close to what I was saying.

If you want to draft safer in the first round, you are far better off taking an OL. In the past seven drafts, only a handful were cut or allowed to leave in free agency (Carpenter, Carimi, Sherrod, Watkins, Cooper and Okung).

Of the OL first rounders the overwhelming majority are still with their original teams.

You won't find a better recent success rate.

OL have much lower bust ratio than QBs, WRs, CBs, DLs etc.



Like whom?



They have drafted two OL in the first round in the past decade, Maurkice Pouncey and David DeCastro. Both have made Pro Bowls and neither has been cut. Please don't waste anyone's time if you cannot even do proper research.

I watch Steelers games almost as much as I watch cowboys games. Do you know who has led the league in sacks since they've been drafted? Answer is big Ben. He is almost at the top of the all time most sacked list and his carreer isn't over. Pouncey is hurt ALL the time. He just missed the entire 2015 season, and also missed 15 games in the 2013 season. He has played 1 full season only once since he's been drafted. Decastro was crappy his 1st two years in the league and had Steelers fans ruing the fact that he was even drafted. He finally made a pro bowl this past season and showed He wasn't a failed pick. Try watching games instead of quick googling stats which make you look foolish. Simply stacking up oline picks isn't as easy as you say otherwise everybody would have an oline to rival the cowboys. Your guys have to stay healthy and develop which our guys were able to do right from the beginning fortunately. The Vikings 1st rounder khalil has disappointed, Greg Robinson with the Rams was a top pick and has done nothing. Jake Matthews from Atlanta? Nothing special. Chance warmack and Jonathan Cooper remember when the board was crying when we didn't get either of them? Both of them have been crap. So yes we have to give our FO credit for hitting it out the park with our linemen and sticking with that when they could have gone other positions.

 

[Jstopper]

Keep in mind that Lawrence's suspension was not for PEDs, but for substance abuse, which would indicate that he has failed four drug tests.

I thought they said in the reports that Lawrence was for amphetamine which falls under the PED list that's why it skipped straight to suspension?

 

[Kaiser]

OK. So make a case why this group of mid round rookies, a UDFA off another team's practice squad, and a guy the Raiders let walk with 2 career sacks in 3 years be significantly better?

The Raiders let DMC walk for nothing last year and he gave us 1000 yards rushing. The Raiders aren't the gold standard of talent evaluation and even then, they didn't want to pay Mayowa. Time will tell, but Will McClay is the guy who pushed for him. McClay is also the guy that got 8 sacks out of Mincey on a bargain contract and before that, got 8 sacks out of George Selvie after signing him as a street free agent. Its not hard to imagine McClay that got another 8 sack guy - or better.

Russell and Tapper were both mid round picks but both clearly have the talent to do well and clearly would have been drafted higher if they didn't play in schemes that were bad fits.

Irving clearly has above average physical talent and would have been drafted but for off the field issues. He hasn't had any problems as a Pro and has the talent to be an above average player.

These threads remind me of the threads three years ago about how we had no OL and Jerry Jones was a fool to talk up a UDFA from the Practice Squad. That UDFA was Ron Leary, who started every game that season and was named to the All-Division team.

 

[CCBoy]

Notable number: 9.5. McClain has 9.5 career sacks, which is tied with cornerback Orlando Scandrick for the most of any Cowboys defender entering the season. Yes, more than any Cowboys defensive lineman.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowb...boys-best-defensive-playmaker-16-games-or-not

 

[wileedog]

TThe Raiders aren't the gold standard of talent evaluation and even then, they didn't want to pay Mayowa.

They also have Derick Carr with a 2nd round pick and have put together a very good Oline. These are not the Raiders of old, they are definitely a team on the rise.

Russell and Tapper were both mid round picks but both clearly have the talent to do well and clearly would have been drafted higher if they didn't play in schemes that were bad fits.

Stop. 1st round DL picks often struggle to make an immediate impact in their rookie year, much less 3rd or 4th round picks.

Irving clearly has above average physical talent and would have been drafted but for off the field issues. He hasn't had any problems as a Pro and has the talent to be an above average player.

Again, speculation.

These threads remind me of the threads three years ago about how we had no OL and Jerry Jones was a fool to talk up a UDFA from the Practice Squad. That UDFA was Ron Leary, who started every game that season and was named to the All-Division team.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. How many other practice squad guys are starring on the team? In the league?

The point is that the DE's in particular are complete and total crapshoots right now. And they are not premium prospects.

 

[Kaiser]

They also have Derick Carr with a 2nd round pick and have put together a very good Oline. These are not the Raiders of old, they are definitely a team on the rise.

So DMC didn't give us 1000 yards on a minimal contract? And a "team on the rise" can't make mistakes in talent evaluation?

Stop. 1st round DL picks often struggle to make an immediate impact in their rookie year, much less 3rd or 4th round picks.

Russell isn't a rookie and all the minicamp reports are that he looks dramatically better this year. Tapper is the rookie and he will be 3rd string, no one is counting on him to "make an immediate impact"

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. How many other practice squad guys are starring on the team?

Just to catch you up on current events:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm saying that proclaiming this group as better than the one on the field against GB at this point in their careers is ludicrous.

The defensive ends were Selvie, Mincey and the corpse of Anthony Spencer. The DT were Crawford, Melton, Coleman and Velcro. Depth included guys like Caesar Rayford and Martez Wilson.

The DL talent is better even without DLaw.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I thought they said in the reports that Lawrence was for amphetamine which falls under the PED list that's why it skipped straight to suspension?

Amphetamine doesn't count as a PED in the offseason. It's a gametime PED not a training PED. There are conflicting reports.

 

[Kaiser]

The DT were Crawford, Melton, Coleman and Velcro.

And Davon Coleman was cut after two games because he was stupid enough to trash the coaches to reporters after a game.

 

[LittleD]

Exactly
Do the fans really expect the team to hire a real GM who has a plan and can evaluate talent?

Will McClay is functioning as a defacto GM with Jerry signing off on the acquisitions. Stephen pays the bills
and also has a lot of say. That's the way this family business is going to run. Get used to it!

 

[Plankton]

I thought they said in the reports that Lawrence was for amphetamine which falls under the PED list that's why it skipped straight to suspension?

Not during the offseason - during the offseason, it's a substance abuse violation.

 

[Stash]

If only there were some way to add supremely talented players during the offseason.

I don't think you say as much as I'd like you to, but when you do, you definitely maximize the effectiveness of the keystrokes.