Mazi is the least productive 1st round DT in 20 years

[cnuball21]

Yeah, I remember Hurst. Being a 3T they did play him completely different than what Smith does. For fans, a 3T is just so much more exciting than a 1/0. Of course what the 1T does is very important and having a good player there can make a big difference. Dallas has needed a real player there for a long, long time.

However, much of what that player does goes unnoticed to most casual fans, so it just isn’t that exciting… but boy, could it really help the Dallas defense. I expect Quinn No have a plan for Mazi, and I do expect the defense to improve significantly this season. The more I think about it, the more I understand what exactly had Quinn (and Micah) so excited about the addition.

Finally. A beast in the middle… and yeah, I do think he will flash a lot more in Quinn’s scheme. It has me ready for camp.

Yea, I figured as much and I understand.

1T is usually gonna be anchor guy and 3T is usually gonna be penetrate guy.

In the 1st round it’s just tough for me to get super excited about a dude that had so little production no matter what scheme he played. Sacks / pressures / win rate just give me something.

Hoping DQ is right about this dude.

 

[cnuball21]

Another thread started by someone who doesn't know what a nose tackle is.


Jeebus

You understand the best NTs in football that get paid actually make plays in the backfield?

 

[zrinkill]

You understand the best NTs in football that get paid actually make plays in the backfield?

Yea I understand that the highest paid tackles get to the QB ........ but that's not what this defense needs ...... we need a run stopper so the guys who are good at rushing the passer can have more time doing it.

I am so sick of the uneducated football fans who think that every position on the defense sucks if they do not get sacks or interceptions.
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[cnuball21]

Yea I understand that the highest paid tackles get to the QB ........ but that's not what this defense needs ...... we need a run stopper so the guys who are good at rushing the passer can have more time doing it.

I am so sick of the uneducated football fans who think that every position on the defense sucks if they do not get sacks or interceptions.
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So then you should understand the concern of some of the fans that are questioning a 1st round pick used on a NT that doesn’t get to the QB.

Also - if we want to get better at rushing the passer maybe we should draft more pass rushers that are actually good at rushing the passer…like, idk Nolan Smith who we passed for Mazi?

If you’re a stud Edge you get home regardless of what your DTs are doing. See Parsons.

 

[Tabascocat]

Vince Wilfork only had 16 sacks over a stellar 13 year career. I guess he sucked cus those stats though…..

 

[zrinkill]

So then you should understand the concern of some of the fans that are questioning a 1st round pick used on a NT that doesn’t get to the QB.

No

This franchise has been making dumb football moves for 27+ years

When Jimmy Johnson was here he picked a NT in the first round ..... Russell Maryland

We won 3 Superbowls .......

Russell Maryland left after the 1995 season was over, 1995 was the last year we won a Superbowl

We have never taken the position seriously since ...... until Thursday night.

Maryland had 24 sacks in a 10 year career.

 

[Landryhat73]

So then you should understand the concern of some of the fans that are questioning a 1st round pick used on a NT that doesn’t get to the QB.

Also - if we want to get better at rushing the passer maybe we should draft more pass rushers that are actually good at rushing the passer…like, idk Nolan Smith who we passed for Mazi?

If you’re a stud Edge you get home regardless of what your DTs are doing. See Parsons.

We were 3rd in the NFL in sacks. Don’t mind Nolan Smith but Mazi will have the bigger impact in the area of concern.

 

[3rdEyewarrior]

Couldn't find a database so I had to hand-check this.

Anyway, there's been 63 DTs drafted 1st round since 2003, and none of them have had backfield production as poor as Mazi Smith. The dude had a career 6 TFLs and 0.5 sacks.

The only other guys in that zip code are

-Arik Armstead (5.5 TFLs, 2.5 sacks)
-Michael Brockers (11 TFLs, 2 sacks)
-Phil Taylor (9.5 TFLs, 2.5 sacks)
-Justin Harrell (9 TFLs, 2.5 sacks)
-John McCargo (9 TFLs, 0.5 sacks).

If we're wanting a NT, I would be a little nervous.

Here's the list I was going off of, feel free to fact check me.

https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions-round/dt

A lot of guys get drafted in take t over production avd be one hall of famers. Dede dive players need the right scheme abd coach.

 

[cnuball21]

No

This franchise has been making dumb football moves for 27+ years

When Jimmy Johnson was here he picked a NT in the first round ..... Russell Maryland

We won 3 Superbowls .......

Russell Maryland left after the 1995 season was over, 1995 was the last year we won a Superbowl

We have never taken the position seriously since ...... until Thursday night.

Maryland had 24 sacks in a 10 year career.

Well at least you were honest about not understanding.

 

[cnuball21]

We were 3rd in the NFL in sacks. Don’t mind Nolan Smith but Mazi will have the bigger impact in the area of concern.

Aka drafting need over talent.

It is what it is at this point.

 

[J-man]

I don't need sacks from the NT, just be an anchor in the middle of the run D and get push up the middle of pass plays.
I want my NT to be an immovable object and a pocket pusher. I think Mazi can do that.

 

[youngjerryjones]

we are fans...it seems no one likes the pick...

what about micah texting Dan Quinn at 3PM that day asking him to take Mazi? What about Dan Quinn saying that he is about that life... does none of that matter to any of you?

our best player wanted him, and our next "coach in line" wanted him too...the person who is supposed to be our defensive guru when it comes to development...so why all of the negativity? The players wanted him, the coaches wanted him, except the fans wanted a guard...because it's easy for them to take and have weight lifted off of their shoulders thinking the FO hit a home run...we haven't ever drafted a DT...it makes sense everyone is skeptical on the pick...

Does it not make sense MM and Will have hit on every first round pick since they have been here, and MM was a focal point in drafting CeeDee Lamb? The way MM built his teams in GB is they were always strong in the middle...I wouldn't be so down on this pick...not a sexy pick but something we've needed an investment on in years...you guys are mad we didn't get the next penetrating up field DT??? I never wanted that, as it's never worked for us and rushing up the middle isn't a concern, we have a heat seaking missle with Overshown and Micah to help...the issue is getting the pulling guards off LVE and Clarke so they can do their job and so can the secondary, this pick makes 2 back end units better

 

[gtb1943]

We were 3rd in the NFL in sacks. Don’t mind Nolan Smith but Mazi will have the bigger impact in the area of concern.

some fans have an obsession with pass rush. How many times has the same team in the NFL won both the sack title and the SB?

Remember just last year the Eagles were looking at breaking the 85 bears all time sack record. Did they win the SB?

 

[cnuball21]

some fans have an obsession with pass rush. How many times has the same team in the NFL won both the sack title and the SB?

6 of the top 8 teams in pass rush productivity made the playoffs. Philly was #1 and played in the Super Bowl.

I wouldn’t say I’m obsessed but I put an incredibly high value on being able to consistently pressure the opposing QB.

 

[MikeT22]

Anyway, there's been 63 DTs drafted 1st round since 2003, and none of them have Mazi Smith. The dude had a career 6 TFLs and 0.5 sacks.

Trysten Hill, UCF (20 TFLs, 6 sacks)

 

[CouchCoach]

This draft is that “take the best player that fits your needs and hope for the best’ draft.

There were a lot of players with warts taken in this draft and many in the 1st round. There is only a handful that do not have ?’s about their immediate impact as well as long term future.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Honestly, I'm still in shock they picked a DT in the first round. Is this just the influence of McCarthy and Quinn, do they have this kid being that type of potential difference maker or both?

I'm just going to be patient and see what happens. I hope this kid clogs the interior running lanes for years to come.

 

[jblaze2004]

So you are saying he will be worst then soft taco charlton

 

[gtb1943]

6 of the top 8 teams in pass rush productivity made the playoffs. Philly was #1 and played in the Super Bowl.

I wouldn’t say I’m obsessed but I put an incredibly high value on being able to consistently pressure the opposing QB.

BUT Philthy LOST the SB DESPITE all those sacks during the season.
You do not seem to want to see that.
Just making the playoffs is a lower mentality if you are satisfied with just that.

Winning the SB should always be the goal and taking a good hard look at your teams weaknesses and fixing them is a vital part of that.
Adding to what is already a very good to excellent pass rush is not going to make the difference that fixing the weaknesses will
Pass rush is not a guarantee of betting to the SB and winning it.

 

[cnuball21]

BUT Philthy LOST the SB DESPITE all those sacks during the season.
You do not seem to want to see that.
Just making the playoffs is a lower mentality if you are satisfied with just that.

Winning the SB should always be the goal and taking a good hard look at your teams weaknesses and fixing them is a vital part of that.
Adding to what is already a very good to excellent pass rush is not going to make the difference that fixing the weaknesses will
Pass rush is not a guarantee of betting to the SB and winning it.

Seeing as Dallas hasn’t been to the Super Bowl in 20+ years I think at least getting there sounds like a nice step forwards.

And for reference, the top 5 teams in run stop win rate didn’t make the playoffs.