McCoy and Hicks back on team.

[Doomsday101]

She was drunk, at that point her intentions don't matter. A drunk girl cannot consent. Did she intend to invite them up before she got drunk? You shouldn't run your mouth when you don't know the facts.

So are you saying women hold no responsibility and all responsibility is with the man? I did not know women were so incapable of being responsible for their actions.

If Case and Hicks did wrong then they should pay the price but acting as if women have no responsibility seems to be a slap in the face of women. Since they can't control their own actions

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hicks and McCoy are back on the team.


http://espn.go.com/college-football...-jordan-hicks-back-texas-longhorns-suspension

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

If hanging out with drunk chicks is putting yourself in a bad situation, going to college is putting yourself in a bad situation.

Fact. All too true my friend.

 

[Cythim]

No, I'm afraid that you are wrong. The fact of the matter is that BR settled both of these out of court for significant amounts of money. The truth of the matter is that he was not found guilty because it never went to court. There were more then enough witnesses to convict him but hey, what diff right? After all, it is we who are choosing winners in losers in this whole thing right? Whatever Cyth. You are by far a worse offender in this regard then I. How on earth could either of those women gotten drunk of their own free will when neither were of the legal age to buy alcohol? They could not. On the other hand, the women who was involved in the situation with McCoy was of legal age. I am not saying McCoy and Hicks are completely innocent. In fact, I specifically said that if the facts that have been reported are accurate, then the circumstances are completely different. However, as reported, these circumstances make each situation different in that the women claims she has no memory of the circumstances. Not so with either of the women in the BR situation. Each of the women said that they said no and each said they were forced into sexual behavior by BR. That makes each of these situations very different.

You defend Roethlisberger as if he is worthy of it when you know he bought his way out of both situations.

Roethlisberger has had a history since his College Days at Miami of Ohio. He had several Red Flags even then but yeah, it's us who are electing to look the other way.

You have completely missed the boat on this one. All were accused of rape and none have been convicted. Treat them all the same or treat them all different, just don't bother telling me to give McCoy and Hicks the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Cythim]

How do you feel about Johnny Football beating up a middle aged black guy with a drunk friend last year after he hurled racial slurs?

Manziel was charged with disorderly conduct, failure to identify and possessing a false identification card.

Is this case different?

Completely different, Manziel is being charged with two misdemeanors, not a felony rape. You should check the facts though, Johnny was in a fight but he didn't beat anyone up. You act as if he is being charged with assault.

 

[Cythim]

So are you saying women hold no responsibility and all responsibility is with the man? I did not know women were so incapable of being responsible for their actions.

If Case and Hicks did wrong then they should pay the price but acting as if women have no responsibility seems to be a slap in the face of women. Since they can't control their own actions

You missed it, this is about a drunk woman not just women in general. A victim is a victim no matter if they were drunk or sober. A perpetrator is still a perpetrator no matter if they were drunk or sober.

 

[DFWJC]

In the end, the players may very well have been the victims here. Granted, they were stupid.

But if the facts are that they did nothing legally wrong, but then have their lives changed forever due to an accusation by a person feeling regret and shame--and one who got picked up in a bar, was totally hammered, and invited boys to her hotel room and willingly had some play time with one of them--then they are the victims.

If something was done with her against her will, that is an entirely different story.

It should not be so easy to wreck someone's life on heresay.

I have a daughter, so this is tough ground to see objectively. But I also have a son.

 

[trickblue]

Completely different, Manziel is being charged with two misdemeanors, not a felony rape. You should check the facts though, Johnny was in a fight but he didn't beat anyone up. You act as if he is being charged with assault.

He was charged with disorderly conduct, failure to identity and possessing a false identification card.

Why do you assume I don't know the facts? You also know as well as I do that college athletes get lesser charges or dropped charges all of the time... it's much more the norm than facing major charges...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You have completely missed the boat on this one. All were accused of rape and none have been convicted. Treat them all the same or treat them all different, just don't bother telling me to give McCoy and Hicks the benefit of the doubt.

No, that's incorrect. On settled out of court two (2) different times. The other two were released with no charges pressed, never went to court. I can draw you a picture but I really think the differences are easy enough to see just by reading the post.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Completely different, Manziel is being charged with two misdemeanors, not a felony rape. You should check the facts though, Johnny was in a fight but he didn't beat anyone up. You act as if he is being charged with assault.

Oh yeah, this is way different. OK

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You missed it, this is about a drunk woman not just women in general. A victim is a victim no matter if they were drunk or sober. A perpetrator is still a perpetrator no matter if they were drunk or sober.

So drunk, in fact, that the women could not even claim that they rapped her. How can it be rape if the women in question can't recall if she said no or yes?

 

[joseephuss]

So drunk, in fact, that the women could not even claim that they rapped her. How can it be rape if the women in question can't recall if she said no or yes?

What if she were passed out? She wouldn't be able to say no or yes, but it could be considered rape.

 

[jimmy40]

He was charged with disorderly conduct, failure to identity and possessing a false identification card.

Why do you assume I don't know the facts? You also know as well as I do that college athletes get lesser charges or dropped charges all of the time... it's much more the norm than facing major charges...

I don't think those are against the law in the SEC.

 

[IAMKING]

How do you feel about Johnny Football beating up a middle aged black guy with a drunk friend last year after he hurled racial slurs?

Manziel was charged with disorderly conduct, failure to identify and possessing a false identification card.

Is this case different?

If course it's different he plays for A&M he doesn't play for a Cowboys rival

 

[Biggems]

If the boys were sober and she was intoxicated, it is rape. If she said no and they had sex with her anyway, it is rape. If she passed out and could not respond and they had sex with her it is rape.

However, if she is drunk and they are drunk, how can it be rape. None of them are in their right frame of mind. None of them are legally coherent. Therefore it is just sex from drunken foolish people. Also, I believe, and correct me if I am wrong, if the boys were drunk and she was sober, she could be charged with rape.

I know rape happens quite a bit, especially on college campuses where binge drinking is the norm. It is inexcusable and the perps who do it are garbage.

However, what also happens quite a bit is consentual sex, the feeling of regret the next morning, and a cry of rape to save face. This example right here, and it happens very often, tarnishes and gives a huge slap in the face to those who have been legimate victims of sexual assault. These women have no soul or dignity. If so, they would merely except their foolishness for making a bad decision after a night of drinking and just try not to do it again.....why go and ruin someone's life just because you feel ashamed by your own stupidity.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What if she were passed out? She wouldn't be able to say no or yes, but it could be considered rape.

That's true but if she were passed out, that was not reported and you can not convict someone on a situation that may or may not be the case. Besides, she wasn't passed out when she invited them to her room.

 

[Cythim]

So drunk, in fact, that the women could not even claim that they rapped her. How can it be rape if the women in question can't recall if she said no or yes?

She cannot say yes if she is drunk, courts have decided this already.

 

[Cythim]

However, if she is drunk and they are drunk, how can it be rape. None of them are in their right frame of mind. None of them are legally coherent. Therefore it is just sex from drunken foolish people. Also, I believe, and correct me if I am wrong, if the boys were drunk and she was sober, she could be charged with rape.

However, what also happens quite a bit is consentual sex, the feeling of regret the next morning, and a cry of rape to save face. This example right here, and it happens very often, tarnishes and gives a huge slap in the face to those who have been legimate victims of sexual assault. These women have no soul or dignity. If so, they would merely except their foolishness for making a bad decision after a night of drinking and just try not to do it again.....why go and ruin someone's life just because you feel ashamed by your own stupidity.

If both are drunk it is still rape. If the girl didn't want sex when she was sober then it is rape to have sex with her after she is drunk. It is not consensual if she is too drunk to say no. I don't know why this is so hard for someone to understand. The victim blaming here is so disgusting.

 

[Cythim]

He was charged with disorderly conduct, failure to identity and possessing a false identification card.

Why do you assume I don't know the facts? You also know as well as I do that college athletes get lesser charges or dropped charges all of the time... it's much more the norm than facing major charges...

You said he beat someone up but the police report said they were in mutual combat when the police arrived. Keep in mind they had no idea who Johnny was when it happened.

Oh yeah, this is way different. OK

Misdemeanor versus felony. Huge difference.

If course it's different he plays for A&M he doesn't play for a Cowboys rival

And so are you. Frankly I hate Johnny Football off the field, if he doesn't get A&M put under NCAA sanctions he will at least kill his own eligibility. I hope he can win a few more games before he ruins his NCAA career. This doesn't mean he has committed a crime anywhere close to rape.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

She cannot say yes if she is drunk, courts have decided this already.

They can't either. Courts have also decided that.