McNabb-"Black QBs get criticized more than White QBs"
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Pennington is still there because he's taken the Jets to more playoff games and wins than any QB in Jet's history. Plus, in this week's game, he was the only player getting something done for the Jets.
Eli Manning has a big contract. He's had some flashes. He needs to show more this year (and we saw some in the Dallas game). It's not quite time yet to bury him.
David Carr has already moved into backup status. He's probably where he belongs now.
If it wasn't for Vick getting caught and Atlanta stupidly trading Schaub, Harrington would be where he belongs -- a 3rd string QB.
Grossman. Because they got to the Super Bowl, the Bears are giving him another year. But the odds are that he'll end up as a 3rd stringer somewhere by next year.
Green did manage to throw for 4,000 yards in three seasons -- 2003, 2004 & 2005 -- before he got concussed last year. Only Moon, Marino, Favre, Bledsoe and Manning have three or more 4,000 yard seasons. So he's barely a year off from some pretty good numbers. And that break was caused by a nasty concussion.
The Ravens will be looking to find a new QB to replace McNair and Boller in this off-season.
Eli Manning has a big contract. He's had some flashes. He needs to show more this year (and we saw some in the Dallas game). It's not quite time yet to bury him.
David Carr has already moved into backup status. He's probably where he belongs now.
If it wasn't for Vick getting caught and Atlanta stupidly trading Schaub, Harrington would be where he belongs -- a 3rd string QB.
Grossman. Because they got to the Super Bowl, the Bears are giving him another year. But the odds are that he'll end up as a 3rd stringer somewhere by next year.
Green did manage to throw for 4,000 yards in three seasons -- 2003, 2004 & 2005 -- before he got concussed last year. Only Moon, Marino, Favre, Bledsoe and Manning have three or more 4,000 yard seasons. So he's barely a year off from some pretty good numbers. And that break was caused by a nasty concussion.
The Ravens will be looking to find a new QB to replace McNair and Boller in this off-season.
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can you believe mcnabb, playing the race card in an interview with hbo?
"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."
who does donovan think he's kidding? this is not the 70s. he is NOT in the shoes of doug williams or warren moon.
today's nfl teams have more minority players than whites. hell, on the entire cowboys defense, there is only ONE white player -- bobby carpenter -- and he is a back-up.
mcnabb is one of EIGHT starting quarterbacks in the nfl today (i'm counting byron leftwich, who will surely soon be given the reins in atlanta, and jamarcus russell, who will definitely be asked to start earning his colossal new contract). there are several more black back-up qbs, too.
what, donovan, is vince young not getting enough love?
and are white qbs NOT scrutinized also? what would you say about ryan leaf? or joey harrington? or half the starting qbs in the game today?
yet mcnabb says he's OVER-scrutinized.
"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.
"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks.
"Not everybody," McNabb replies.
Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.
"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."
uh-huh. so peyton manning hasn't been criticized, huh? you mean he wasn't dismissed, before winning the super bowl, as a finesse guy who was all about stats but didn't have what it takes to win a game that matters?
let's get something straight: donovan mcnabb is a good quarterback. he makes plays, and he rarely throws interceptions. but he's also -- as troy aikman has pointed out -- just not accurate enough for the west coast offense. (career completion percentage: 58.)
peyton manning (gosh, is this even necessary?) holds a career completion percentage of 64, holds the all-time record for touchdowns in a season at 49 (!!!), and threw for 4,000 yards for SIX STRAIGHT SEASONS.
when you're practically perfect, you get more respect, and less scrutiny, than a guy who has never thrown for 4,000 yards in any year, or who has only one season above 60% completion percentage.
...or who has puked at the line of scrimmage.
...or who has just lost six of his last seven games.
come on, mcnabb. nfl players today are evaluated on their performance. no one cares what color you are -- from the head coaches to the cheerleaders -- they care about winning. there are a whole lot of white guys wearing number 5 jerseys on game day, pal, and all they care about is whether you make the throws you need to make on third downs.
i don't think i'm going too far by saying that mcnabb wouldn't want someone to say, "he's pretty good -- for a black quarterback." surely he'd want them to say, "he's a pretty good quarterback."
well, the corollary of that, donovan, is that when people say, "he's not a very good quarterback," they don't mean "because he isn't white." they mean "because he isn't winning."
art shell didn't get the boot because he was black, but because he wasn't getting the job done. same goes for dennis green. and you know what? the same goes for every white coach in the league. hell, marty schottenheimer was fired, and his team won like crazy!
if you win games, mcnabb, everyone will love you. if you lose, they'll jump on you. that's part of playing quarterback. deal!
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by the way -- the eagles drafted mcnabb to replace a black quarterback (rodney peete), who was signed to replace another black quarterback (randall cunningham). it isn't like philly still needs time to get used to the idea of a brother under center.
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also: i believe that mcnabb has actually BENEFITTED from being a black quarterback. i agree with what rush limbaugh said about a desire to see black quarterbacks succeed, which led to mcnabb being promoted as a better player than he was. likewise, i think a lot of people WANTED michael vick to succeed, which is why he was trumpeted, and forgiven for an atrocious inability to make plays with his arm. i think they WANTED kordell stewart to be a star, too.
AND, i think that this is not so much different than the media continuing to talk about brett favre as "such a kid out there" rather than as a player with diminished skills. or about ray lewis's "intensity."
they're SELLING us something -- the notion that these guys are SPECIAL, so we'd all better watch. well, donovan, all eyes are on you. that IS what you wanted when you signed your first contract, wasn't it?
"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."
who does donovan think he's kidding? this is not the 70s. he is NOT in the shoes of doug williams or warren moon.
today's nfl teams have more minority players than whites. hell, on the entire cowboys defense, there is only ONE white player -- bobby carpenter -- and he is a back-up.
mcnabb is one of EIGHT starting quarterbacks in the nfl today (i'm counting byron leftwich, who will surely soon be given the reins in atlanta, and jamarcus russell, who will definitely be asked to start earning his colossal new contract). there are several more black back-up qbs, too.
what, donovan, is vince young not getting enough love?
and are white qbs NOT scrutinized also? what would you say about ryan leaf? or joey harrington? or half the starting qbs in the game today?
yet mcnabb says he's OVER-scrutinized.
"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.
"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks.
"Not everybody," McNabb replies.
Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.
"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."
uh-huh. so peyton manning hasn't been criticized, huh? you mean he wasn't dismissed, before winning the super bowl, as a finesse guy who was all about stats but didn't have what it takes to win a game that matters?
let's get something straight: donovan mcnabb is a good quarterback. he makes plays, and he rarely throws interceptions. but he's also -- as troy aikman has pointed out -- just not accurate enough for the west coast offense. (career completion percentage: 58.)
peyton manning (gosh, is this even necessary?) holds a career completion percentage of 64, holds the all-time record for touchdowns in a season at 49 (!!!), and threw for 4,000 yards for SIX STRAIGHT SEASONS.
when you're practically perfect, you get more respect, and less scrutiny, than a guy who has never thrown for 4,000 yards in any year, or who has only one season above 60% completion percentage.
...or who has puked at the line of scrimmage.
...or who has just lost six of his last seven games.
come on, mcnabb. nfl players today are evaluated on their performance. no one cares what color you are -- from the head coaches to the cheerleaders -- they care about winning. there are a whole lot of white guys wearing number 5 jerseys on game day, pal, and all they care about is whether you make the throws you need to make on third downs.
i don't think i'm going too far by saying that mcnabb wouldn't want someone to say, "he's pretty good -- for a black quarterback." surely he'd want them to say, "he's a pretty good quarterback."
well, the corollary of that, donovan, is that when people say, "he's not a very good quarterback," they don't mean "because he isn't white." they mean "because he isn't winning."
art shell didn't get the boot because he was black, but because he wasn't getting the job done. same goes for dennis green. and you know what? the same goes for every white coach in the league. hell, marty schottenheimer was fired, and his team won like crazy!
if you win games, mcnabb, everyone will love you. if you lose, they'll jump on you. that's part of playing quarterback. deal!
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by the way -- the eagles drafted mcnabb to replace a black quarterback (rodney peete), who was signed to replace another black quarterback (randall cunningham). it isn't like philly still needs time to get used to the idea of a brother under center.
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also: i believe that mcnabb has actually BENEFITTED from being a black quarterback. i agree with what rush limbaugh said about a desire to see black quarterbacks succeed, which led to mcnabb being promoted as a better player than he was. likewise, i think a lot of people WANTED michael vick to succeed, which is why he was trumpeted, and forgiven for an atrocious inability to make plays with his arm. i think they WANTED kordell stewart to be a star, too.
AND, i think that this is not so much different than the media continuing to talk about brett favre as "such a kid out there" rather than as a player with diminished skills. or about ray lewis's "intensity."
they're SELLING us something -- the notion that these guys are SPECIAL, so we'd all better watch. well, donovan, all eyes are on you. that IS what you wanted when you signed your first contract, wasn't it?
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JeMarcus Russell and Vince young are getting picked at the top of their drafts while Matt Leinert and Brady Quinn fall down the board and this moron says tht people dont want black QBs?
You get criticized becasue you are all over the place with your accuracy, youve lost most of you last 7 starts and your injury prone. Palmer did miss some time but he and Manning are accurate winners that dont spend most of their time on IR or inactive due to injury.
You get criticized becasue you are all over the place with your accuracy, youve lost most of you last 7 starts and your injury prone. Palmer did miss some time but he and Manning are accurate winners that dont spend most of their time on IR or inactive due to injury.
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He needs some cheap cheese to go with that expensive wine.
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he such a baby
they was killin romo for the field goal
they was killin romo for the field goal
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FuzzyLumpkins;1654928 said:
And it will happen again this year when Andre Woodson gets selected ahead of Brian Brohm. Mark my words.
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CrazyCowboy;1654932 said:
I'll send him a 5lb block of rez cheese.
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TunaFan33;1654950 said:
Not in the state he plays in, it doesn't. "Technically" speaking that is.
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adbutcher;1653300 said:
I heard it referred to on the NFL Channel, but they said the interview was with James Brown.
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SportsAnalyzer;1653485 said:
This is stupid! Who said anything about McNabb being fired?
You think those guys haven't been criticized???? I would defy anybody in the media to call a McNabb a mental midget in a national newspaper and not lose his/her job.
All QB's get criticized when they blow chunks.