McShay Mock 4.0 3/30/15....

[tm1119]

I'd be upset. We will be in striking range of OO , Kevin Johnson, or Kendricks. We don't need to move up one bit in the first for a third.

BUT I'd be looking into getting another 3rd by bundling a few of next year's picks.

We will have more cap room that next year so we can afford a few FA to fill the holes from the year's draft.

I'm not a fan of KJ or Kendricks in the 1st personally so that wouldn't bother me. And I see Dupree as a possible elite pass rushing DE so it would be tempting. Obviously you never want to lose picks, but we were willing to trade our 3rd just last year for what I feel is a inferior talent at DE than Bud

 

[reddyuta]

Bud Dupree has the tools but also has some bust potential,i would not trade up to get him..btw the Byron jones hype is real,he ran a 4.36 at his pro day.

 

[Risen Star]

I prefer Goldman over the cornerbacks.

The dline needs another DT.

People will echo the team's stance on it. All I know is that 1 tech is a hell of lot more important on the field than a cornerback.

 

[ghst187]

i'm okay with Goldman but only if most of our other good options are long gone.
In the event it unfolds like he offers, i hope we would pick DT Brown, then CB KJ, then Dupree in that order.
Agree on Hardison later though although i think DT Brown could be a PB level player.

 

[AzorAhai]

People will echo the team's stance on it. All I know is that 1 tech is a hell of lot more important on the field than a cornerback.

I'm one of those that says no to Goldman. It has little to do with the no 1T in rd 1 stuff. Its the amount of time the team spends in the nickel. He lacks skill in the pass rush department and will likely be pulled in the nickel. That makes him a part-time player. Now if Shelton or Brown are there at 27, it's a different story. Those 2 I believe can be 3 down players and would be a lot more valuable.

 

[Alexander]

You would think that since mocks are what you think a team will do, and studying the draft year round, they would at least have some concept of scheme fits and team philosophy.

I think you are asking too much of McShay, who supposedly lives the NFL draft.

He is not the only "draft expert" who is guilty of this kind of short-sighted analysis when doing a mock draft though.

 

[theogt]

I'm one of those that says no to Goldman. It has little to do with the no 1T in rd 1 stuff. Its the amount of time the team spends in the nickel. He lacks skill in the pass rush department and will likely be pulled in the nickel. That makes him a part-time player. Now if Shelton or Brown are there at 27, it's a different story. Those 2 I believe can be 3 down players and would be a lot more valuable.

Shelton doesn't offer much in terms of pass rush either. He lucked out by racking up some sacks against crappy teams early in the season, which padded his stat line (then had 3 sacks over final 12 games or 5 sacks in 24 games if you take out his two big games). I'm not trying to argue he's a bad player, or would be a bad pick at 27, but you can't look at Goldman and say "he's not a 3 down player" and then look at Shelton and say you like him because he offers passrush. He's just not that guy. Brown, on the other hand, gives you nice passrush ability, but may not be that anchor you want at 1-tech on 1st and 2nd downs.

 

[AzorAhai]

I think you are asking too much of McShay, who supposedly lives the NFL draft.

He is not the only "draft expert" who is guilty of this kind of short-sighted analysis when doing a mock draft though.

No its not just him, its most of the national guys. Mocks are relatively inaccurate even at the top. I think a lot of it is due to schemes and team preferences not being accounted for. National guys have a hard time knowing all teams so your local team may get a guy mocked to them that probably won't be the pick. Local guys may get someone mocked to your team that fits, but don't know the other teams schemes, so it's also inaccurate. For guys like Kiper and Mcshay, you would think a year round draft guy would be able to squeeze in learning a teams schem and preferences. It would definitely help with mocks and fan annoyance at least. Mocks will always be inaccurate by nature though in the end, but I like to read them to get an idea of who may be available and where.

 

[AzorAhai]

Shelton doesn't offer much in terms of pass rush either. He lucked out by racking up some sacks against crappy teams early in the season, which padded his stat line (then had 3 sacks over final 12 games or 5 sacks in 24 games if you take out his two big games). I'm not trying to argue he's a bad player, or would be a bad pick at 27, but you can't look at Goldman and say "he's not a 3 down player" and then look at Shelton and say you like him because he offers passrush. He's just not that guy.

I saw Shelton get doubled and sometimes triple teamed as the season went on and think he does provide more pass rush. If a team has to commit 2 guys to block him at this level on passing downs, it just opens up other guys. I think Goldman can be single blocked at this level and still not provide much on pass rush, but of course everyone sees different things on tape and has different opinions on players.

 

[theogt]

I saw Shelton get doubled and sometimes triple teamed as the season went on and think he does provide more pass rush. If a team has to commit 2 guys to block him at this level on passing downs, it just opens up other guys. I think Goldman can be single blocked at this level and still not provide much on pass rush, but of course everyone sees different things on tape and has different opinions on players.

Just going by what I recall seeing, Goldman gets doubled all the time, but Shelton not nearly as much. Many of Shelton's plays are based off shedding a block and moving laterally, which he's exceptional at. But getting around a guy, even one-on-one, is not something he excels at.

 

[unionjack8]

i think this is a perfectly acceptable pick at 27. Its value, AND at a need position.

Personally i'd take Kendricks or Peters but would be fine with Goldman.

Its not going to be any use churning Nick Hayden out there week inw eek out, even in a rotation, quite simply the 1 tech needs a huge upgrade.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

People say a 1-tech would barely see the field but Hayden has gotten more snaps than just about any DLman the past two seasons. Last season alone, he played in just about every base snap and many nickel snaps. Only player with more snaps was Mincey and that was only because Lawrence and Spencer weren't healthy early in the season.

 

[noletime95]

Goldman has a lot of ability and has flashed star potential. But I don't like him in the 1st because I see risk of him being JAG. Good upside though. It's hard to say just how much FSUs lack of help and depth around Eddie last year forced him to take a few plays off here and there. He flashed big time vs Clemson.

Jernigan should have been a Cowboy in the 2nd last year and Dallas should also have kept its 3rd. Jernigan is flat out better than Goldman and was a STEAL for the Ravens in the 2nd last year. And yeah, he got to the QB at times. Hope Laurence is a stud. Jernigan was a no risk player. Motor never stops. When Auburn gutted FSU in the BCS title game it was because Jernigan was out with the flu and exhausted. Goldman couldn't hold up. Now he's gonna get picked a round earlier than Timmy, lol.

 

[Dwight]

i think this is a perfectly acceptable pick at 27. Its value, AND at a need position.

Personally i'd take Kendricks or Peters but would be fine with Goldman.

Its not going to be any use churning Nick Hayden out there week inw eek out, even in a rotation, quite simply the 1 tech needs a huge upgrade.

I keep forgetting about Nick Hayden. That would justify selecting Goldman even more. Plus Hardy still needs help and having Goldman and Crawford at DT spots would give opposing offenses issues.

A good defensive line will hide the weaknesses of a secondary. That's why I would not have an issue selecting a DT or DE if they are the BPA.

 

[tyke1doe]

How can any kind of football "expert" NOT know the basic philosophies of all 64 pro coordinators, much less the basics of iconic schemes like the Tapa Two?

They're not football experts. They're DRAFT experts.

 

[tyke1doe]

Can imagine Gordon dropping to the second.

 

[AzorAhai]

Can imagine Gordon dropping to the second.

I dont think he will drop past Dallas unless both he and Gurley are available at 27.

 

[endersdragon]

that's because guys like McShay and Kiper know players and not team scheme's.

I can't tell you how many times I have told Walter that the Cowboys just aren't going to draft a 1-tech, and probably aren't going to draft a DE in the first, especially with several good LBs and CBs sitting right there.

 

[KingintheNorth]

That would be a pretty bad 1st round for me... oh so close to Bud Dupree and then stuck with Eddie Goldman.

 

[Nirvana]

My latest fanspeak mock draft (they updated their rankings today):

27: R1P27
DE ALVIN DUPREE
KENTUCKY
60: R2P28
CB RONALD DARBY
FLORIDA ST
91: R3P27
RB JAY AJAYI
BOISE ST
127: R4P28
OT JEREMIAH POUTASI
UTAH
163: R5P27
WR ANTWAN GOODLEY (special teams returner also)
BAYLOR
236: R7P19
OLB J.R. TAVAI
USC
243: R7P26
G JARVIS HARRISON
TEXAS A&M