It's funny that you should mention Marcus Smith who was a major liability in run coverage which is the overwhelming flaw in Orchards game, the player you and others have been championing as a first round pick. Before it is blindly denied that Orchard is a liability in run defense. Like Smith Orchard has to commit to a move immediately if he's going to get home. i've linked a clip including all the plays orchard was involved in from the UCLA game this year in the link below. I counted at least 5 instances where Orchard is completely washed out of a run directed towards him. I also noticed a single play where he set the edge and made a tackle for no gain. Granted, his responsibility on any given play cannot be known but I highly doubt being bullied 5 yards back from the line of scrimmage is by design. When watching keep in mind that he has been playing defensive end for the entirety of his 4 year collegiate career.
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/nate-orchard-vs-ucla-2014/
If in four years Orchard couldn't maintain the size/speed combination necessary to rush the passer, set the edge and play the run on the way to the QB what makes you think he'll be able to play four downs at DE at the next level? Orchard is too slight of stature and is going to be a situational pass rusher in a 4-3 or a 3-4 and may never become a great run blocker.
Dupree is actually very good against the run, anchors well and is assignment sound. In the links I've posted you'll see Louisville consistently run away from Dupree regardless of where he lines up. The run at him twice when he's on the line. Once in the second quarter. He tackles Dyer high behind the line but doesn't have enough behind it to keep him out of the endzone. You'll also see a sack and two strips by Dupree. The second time is in the fourth on the GL. Dupree sheds the TE and goes inside but he's late.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bip5o_2014-kentucky-at-louisville-2q_sport
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bip63_2014-kentucky-at-louisville-3q_sport
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bip6x_2014-kentucky-at-louisville-4q_sport
If watching the whole game is too much work to go through to be proven wrong then here are his plays from the Florida game in his first year playing DE with his hand in the ground. In the cutup you'll see him set the edge in obvious rushing situations, explode off the line in clear passing situations, fight through a hold to make the sack, continue collapsing the pocket when his first move doesn't work, and use an inside move to bounce a runner to the outside. However he does crash down on the RB on a couple of option plays and miss making the play on the QB.
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/alvin-dupree-vs-florida-2013/
How do you judge whether he is better standing up vs. playing with his hand in the ground? How can you disambiguate what is due to him standing up vs. the experience starting the second year in a different position? These are variable confounds. Can you elaborate on what you're looking for in terms of bend, extension, and when to turn the corner on the path of his speed rush?
Dupree has 3.5 sacks and 7.0 TFL against winning FBS teams and 4.0 sacks 5.5 TFL against Non-winning FBS teams. approximately half of his games (6/11) have been against winning FBS schools and half of his production comes against winning FBS schools. These schools include Mississippi State, Louisville, Missouri, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt. 8 of his 12.5 TFL and all of his sacks against winning teams came in the second half of the season against all the ranked opponents, if anything he has improved substantially throughout the season.
Dupree hasn't played a single down in the NFL. How is he a bust? You
think he is a bust the same way you
thought he was slow until you actually watched him and changed your tune in previous posts. I'd give you your own advice to stop watching highlights and start watching the film but from your posts I don't think you're even watching highlights.
I really couldn't care less if you say he's a not a first-round pick or a bust but some of what you're saying about his game is patently false.
I'd actually agree with this. The lack of speed on the edge is probably why we aren't seeing Quarterbacks pressured enough.
