Mendenhall vs. Jones: The final word

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Mendenhall vs. Jones: The final word
6:24 PM Mon, Apr 28, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Remember, none of this is anything against Felix Jones. I'm guessing he'll be a good addition to the Cowboys offense. But Rashard Mendenhall will be better. Much better.

And so since some people have filled by email up with such nice things to say about my opinion on all this, I'd like go ahead and dispel some notions that seem to be pretty popular around here.

Jones brings more speed

Really? That's funny. I've got the official combine results. And they happen to say that Mendenhall ran a 4.45 there, while Jones clocked a 4.47.
So how about explosiveness and agility? Both players had 33.5-inch verticals, while Mendenhall ran a better short shuttle (4.18-4.19) and Jones had a better broad jump (10.4-9.9).

Jones is the game-breaker that Mendenhall isn't

This one cracks me up. Apparently people missed the Rose Bowl. You know, when Mendenhall flat out ran away from USC -- probably the fastest defense in the nation -- for a 79-yard run and a 55-yard catch.

For your benefit, I happened to go through all the Illinois and Arkansas play-by-plays. I'm going to classify a "big play" as 20 yards or more. Mendenhall had 18 such plays from scrimmage, two of them coming on catches. Jones had 19, two on catches.

Now, Mendenhall had far more carries, but also faced defenses geared to stop him and had to do the between-the-tackles and short-yardage dirty work for the Illini. And you could argue that seven of those "big plays" for Jones came against the likes of Troy, North Texas and Tennessee-Chattanooga. To be fair, two of Mendenhall's came against Ball State. But he didn't play in a gimmicky offense that worked to get him in the open field with the defense keying on someone else.

Jones is more versatile

I think there's a perception out there that Jones is a better receiver than Mendenhall. Based on what, I'll never know. In his three-year Arkansas career, Jones caught 39 passes for 393 yards. Mendenhall caught 34 passes for 318 yards during his junior year alone. I can tell you categorically, if you're looking for a back to contribute on third down, Mendenhall's more ready than Jones, based on the fact that he's a better receiver and has been used extensively in blitz pickup.

There's no arguing that Jones isn't the better return man. He is, without question. Mendenhall didn't do that as a collegian.

Mendenhall is a one-year wonder

Mendenhall did have only one season as a starter, but I do think it's important to remember that the guy in front of him wasn't half-bad. Pierre Thomas may have been limited in his opportunities with the Saints last year. Still, he averaged 4.8 yards per carry and rushed for 100 yards in his only start. So while Mendenhall may not have been splitting time with Darren McFadden, he wasn't backing up a slouch.

Plus, as a sophomore, Mendenhall didn't exactly play poorly. He averaged 8.2 yards per carry and had 12 catches, which is just four off of Jones' career high.

"I really think it was matter of time before he had a year like this. Pierre Thomas was a two-time MVP player here," Illinois RB coach Reggie Campbell told me in March. "He's been a good player, since he's been here. It was a matter of him getting on the field. He's always been the best talent we had, and then he developed into the best player we had."

Mendenhall was a malcontent and didn't work hard

I'm going to turn this over to Campbell again. Take it for what it's worth ...
"He was great, he was a team player, never complained," Cambell said. "He wanted to be starter, he was motivated to be the starter. But he never complained about not being the starter. ... Really, I've told pro scouts this, you try to find a fault, there was not one. He's been a 3.0 student, on the honor roll every semester, with exception of this one, and he was a 2.9. Off the field, he was great."
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Again, this is hardly an indictment on Jones, who I think has a chance to add a different element to the Cowboys' offense.

No, I'm simply responding here as to why I believe that Mendenhall -- the best back in this draft -- was the right pick for Dallas, no matter the circumstances. Yes, they have Marion Barber on board, but the idea that any running back pair has to be a "thunder-and-lightning" combination is just silly.

Last time I checked, the Vikings didn't need a workhorse, grind-it-out type last year. They had Chester Taylor to do that stuff -- who had just signed a four-year deal with the team and was coming off a 1,200-yard season -- already. They took Adrian Peterson anyway. How'd that work out for them?
 

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Too late to worry about this now. Lets wait till next season unfolds to revisit this. Why kill ourselves about it when nothing will be proven in the offseason to help an argument for either player?
 

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he is a moron plain and simple.

How in the world can he have the final word when neither back has even played a down in the NFL?
 

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Seriously, my thoughts exactly. Albert Breer always seems to bring the logic. I'm hoping this... work ethic thing heard in the war room proves to somehow hold it's weight. Maybe some issues come up with Mendenhall down the road that makes us feel better for passing him.

I still don't see the reason for a "change of pace" garbage, maybe splitting felix out wide as a gimmick here and there. I'd rather have 2 beastly backs that just alternate, stay fresh, and pound the hell out of the opposition in the 4th quarter when they're worn down but the backs are still fresh cause they only get 15 carries a piece. The only valid argument I've heard in all the posts pretty much is it takes some backs 20 carries before they get hot.
 

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I still feel that Mendenhall may end up a better pro than Felix, but I know Felix has a lot of fans around here that will argue it to death.

But he's right, time to move on. We didn't get the kid, and we have Felix, so let's hope they both have stellar careers. It won't matter what anyone says until 3 years from now when we can look at how they've developed.
 

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No, I'm simply responding here as to why I believe that Mendenhall -- the best back in this draft -- was the right pick for Dallas, no matter the circumstances.
He really jumped the shark on that one.
 

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I think these 2 guys may be looked at, compared throughout their careers by Cowboys fans much the same way Shawne Marriman and DeMarcus Ware are.
 

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thought the final word was made last saturday when we drafted Jones?
 

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Well, no use in crying over spilled milk anymore, though I too feel the Boys took the wrong guy on Saturday.
Regardless, Jones is a Cowboy now so I will be rooting for him as hard as anyone on the team!!
 

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the Steelers have a habit of drafting guys with a Poor work ethic... Im sure that was the wrap on Hines Ward, around Valley ranch!
 

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MONT17;2064777 said:
the Steelers have a habit of drafting guys with a Poor work ethic... Im sure that was the wrap on Hines Ward, around Valley ranch!

What is with you people. Felix Jones is a Cowboy, Rashard Mendenhall is a Steeler(you know the team that has beat us in 2 super bowls). I hope everyone likes Felix by now, and hates RaShard.
 

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dre1614;2064790 said:
What is with you people. Felix Jones is a Cowboy, Rashard Mendenhall is a Steeler(you know the team that has beat us in 2 super bowls). I hope everyone likes Felix by now, and hates RaShard.

The Steeler team that beat "us" played in the 70s. What's the significance? I don't see Lambert, Bradshaw, Franco, Stallworth or any other top bananas from that era on their current roster.

The Cowboys of today look like the better team and added significant depth and speed to an already explosive team. IMO, the Steelers will chew our dust next season.
 

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Mendenhall vs. Jones: The final word
6:24 PM Mon, Apr 28, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Albert Breer http://www.***BANNED-URL***/blogs/images/email-icon.jpg E-mail http://www.***BANNED-URL***/blogs/images/email-icon.jpg News tips

Remember, none of this is anything against Felix Jones. I'm guessing he'll be a good addition to the Cowboys offense. But Rashard Mendenhall will be better. Much better.

And so since some people have filled by email up with such nice things to say about my opinion on all this, I'd like go ahead and dispel some notions that seem to be pretty popular around here.

Jones brings more speed

Really? That's funny. I've got the official combine results. And they happen to say that Mendenhall ran a 4.45 there, while Jones clocked a 4.47.
So how about explosiveness and agility? Both players had 33.5-inch verticals, while Mendenhall ran a better short shuttle (4.18-4.19) and Jones had a better broad jump (10.4-9.9).

Jones is the game-breaker that Mendenhall isn't

This one cracks me up. Apparently people missed the Rose Bowl. You know, when Mendenhall flat out ran away from USC -- probably the fastest defense in the nation -- for a 79-yard run and a 55-yard catch.

For your benefit, I happened to go through all the Illinois and Arkansas play-by-plays. I'm going to classify a "big play" as 20 yards or more. Mendenhall had 18 such plays from scrimmage, two of them coming on catches. Jones had 19, two on catches.

Now, Mendenhall had far more carries, but also faced defenses geared to stop him and had to do the between-the-tackles and short-yardage dirty work for the Illini. And you could argue that seven of those "big plays" for Jones came against the likes of Troy, North Texas and Tennessee-Chattanooga. To be fair, two of Mendenhall's came against Ball State. But he didn't play in a gimmicky offense that worked to get him in the open field with the defense keying on someone else.

Jones is more versatile

I think there's a perception out there that Jones is a better receiver than Mendenhall. Based on what, I'll never know. In his three-year Arkansas career, Jones caught 39 passes for 393 yards. Mendenhall caught 34 passes for 318 yards during his junior year alone. I can tell you categorically, if you're looking for a back to contribute on third down, Mendenhall's more ready than Jones, based on the fact that he's a better receiver and has been used extensively in blitz pickup.

There's no arguing that Jones isn't the better return man. He is, without question. Mendenhall didn't do that as a collegian.

Mendenhall is a one-year wonder

Mendenhall did have only one season as a starter, but I do think it's important to remember that the guy in front of him wasn't half-bad. Pierre Thomas may have been limited in his opportunities with the Saints last year. Still, he averaged 4.8 yards per carry and rushed for 100 yards in his only start. So while Mendenhall may not have been splitting time with Darren McFadden, he wasn't backing up a slouch.

Plus, as a sophomore, Mendenhall didn't exactly play poorly. He averaged 8.2 yards per carry and had 12 catches, which is just four off of Jones' career high.

"I really think it was matter of time before he had a year like this. Pierre Thomas was a two-time MVP player here," Illinois RB coach Reggie Campbell told me in March. "He's been a good player, since he's been here. It was a matter of him getting on the field. He's always been the best talent we had, and then he developed into the best player we had."

Mendenhall was a malcontent and didn't work hard

I'm going to turn this over to Campbell again. Take it for what it's worth ...
"He was great, he was a team player, never complained," Cambell said. "He wanted to be starter, he was motivated to be the starter. But he never complained about not being the starter. ... Really, I've told pro scouts this, you try to find a fault, there was not one. He's been a 3.0 student, on the honor roll every semester, with exception of this one, and he was a 2.9. Off the field, he was great."
***​
Again, this is hardly an indictment on Jones, who I think has a chance to add a different element to the Cowboys' offense.

No, I'm simply responding here as to why I believe that Mendenhall -- the best back in this draft -- was the right pick for Dallas, no matter the circumstances. Yes, they have Marion Barber on board, but the idea that any running back pair has to be a "thunder-and-lightning" combination is just silly.

Last time I checked, the Vikings didn't need a workhorse, grind-it-out type last year. They had Chester Taylor to do that stuff -- who had just signed a four-year deal with the team and was coming off a 1,200-yard season -- already. They took Adrian Peterson anyway. How'd that work out for them?

:bow:

Brilliant simply brilliant couldn't have said it better myself.
 

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For your benefit, I happened to go through all the Illinois and Arkansas play-by-plays. I'm going to classify a "big play" as 20 yards or more. Mendenhall had 18 such plays from scrimmage, two of them coming on catches. Jones had 19, two on catches.

Mendenhall had about twice as many rushing attempts (262 to 133) and catches (34 to 16).

I wonder why Breer left that out.

Jones is more versatile

I think there's a perception out there that Jones is a better receiver than Mendenhall. Based on what, I'll never know. In his three-year Arkansas career, Jones caught 39 passes for 393 yards. Mendenhall caught 34 passes for 318 yards during his junior year alone. I can tell you categorically, if you're looking for a back to contribute on third down, Mendenhall's more ready than Jones, based on the fact that he's a better receiver and has been used extensively in blitz pickup.

There's no arguing that Jones isn't the better return man. He is, without question. Mendenhall didn't do that as a collegian.

Breer is mistaking the fact that Mendenhall had more catches with being a better receiver, which isn't necessarily the case. And versatility is an entirely different matter. Can Mendenhall do anything but line up in the backfield? Has he ever lined up wide? Can he play in the slot? Can he return kicks? Jones has done all of those things. That makes him versatile. Catching passes out of the backfield doesn't make you versatile, it makes you a running back.


Last time I checked, the Vikings didn't need a workhorse, grind-it-out type last year. They had Chester Taylor to do that stuff -- who had just signed a four-year deal with the team and was coming off a 1,200-yard season -- already. They took Adrian Peterson anyway. How'd that work out for them?

That's a horrible example. Is he saying Peterson is a workhorse, grind-it-out type? And Taylor is a mediocre running back who has 4.58 speed and is better when he's NOT carrying the load (he averaged 4.01 ypc in that 1,200-yard season, compared to 5.4 last year as a part-time player). Taylor is the type of running back who leaves you always hoping to upgrade the position. Peterson is bigger, has 4.38 speed and was the top running back in his draft. So how is drafting Peterson even relevant to this discussion? Was there a Chester Taylor clone they were debating taking instead with the seventh overall pick?
 

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For me....it is over.....I see Pros to both RBs and very little Cons.

Remember a few drafts ago those two stud backs out of Penn State who went much higher then either of these two did.....both busts.

You can never tell with RBs.
 

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Bad title...while you have every right to your opinions, and while you may even be proven correct in time, the FINAL WORD came on draft day when Jerry Jones and company sent the name of Felix Jones to the podium.
 

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Mendenhall isn't going to play anymore than Jones. Have you forgot about "Fast" Willie Parker is the Steelers #1 back
 

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Gotta say, most NFL have talent but in the end character and desire make the difference. If our lip reading of the Cowboys war room before the pick is accurate, and it seems to be based on the post draft comments of Wade and JJ, Jones has the right attitude and work ethic to go along with an amazing amount of talent. Based on that alone I would take him.
 
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