Micah is a great player, but what exactly is he great at? What does he need to work on to be elite?

[zrinkill]

If you have to ask what Micah is great at ....... there is no reason to tell you.

 

[McKDaddy]

I don't see him as the leader that he thinks he is. he is going to get paid because of Sack numbers, but when you dig in, its not really there. just like you and many like you saying Dak got his wins and stats against lesser teams, so did Parsons. why be ok with one and not the other....

I think he is over rated and again, I would rather trade him and get picks, than keep him and his antics.

He has elite abilities but are those abilities truly changing games against the best competition? I would have to say no. I don't recall him coming up big in our playoff games and for that matter against high level competition in general. He is definitely not elite in being able to maintain the edge in run defense. He is undersized to be a DE and once his athleticism begins to fade, it's not going to be pretty.

He can be amazing to watch but I have serious concerns about giving him the contract he wants for the reasons above.

 

[McKDaddy]

his best move is just elite quickness.

This is absolutely correct. Converting speed & agility to power is his game.

For his size, sure he is strong. Going up against the beasts though, if they get their hands on him it's over.

 

[thunderpimp91]

He has elite abilities but are those abilities truly changing games against the best competition? I would have to say no. I don't recall him coming up big in our playoff games and for that matter against high level competition in general. He is definitely not elite in being able to maintain the edge in run defense. He is undersized to be a DE and once his athleticism begins to fade, it's not going to be pretty.

He can be amazing to watch but I have serious concerns about giving him the contract he wants for the reasons above.

I'd be careful about knocking him in setting the edge. As much as I love to point out the flaws in Zimmers scheme he has done a fantastic job of utilizing Micah in the run game aside from that final drive in the Baltimore game. He's given Micah a lot of options on run responsibilities so teams can't just take advantage of his size and bully him in the run game as easily.

From a pass rush standpoint Micah is getting so much better from a technical standpoint. Hes a guy who just thrived off elite athletic ability the last few years, but seems to be developing a better feel and technique as a pass rusher this season. Hats off to the coaching staff this season in that regard. He seems to be using his hands better along with excellent footwork. There is still the argument he needs to do it when the lights are brightest, but hes been fun to watch on film the last few games.

 

[McKDaddy]

Glad for Ware, but as far as his time in Dallas was concerned, I stand by my comment....

Ware was a really good player & a much better player against the run that Micah. I truly liked & respected him.

However, IMO Ware never really became a well rounded pass rusher until he went to Denver. That group had multiple moves & a plan to get there as a team not as an individual. He adapted those moves and became a much better player than he was in Dallas. I wish he had developed those skills while he was here.

I understand that he didn't have a lot of help here at times but it doesn't change that he could have developed those skills. I got really frustrated watching he & Greg Ellis both go around the edge 8 yards deep only to be pushed by the QB while Eli stepped up and delivered the ball. One of them should have been going shallower.

 

[McKDaddy]

I'd be careful about knocking him in setting the edge. As much as I love to point out the flaws in Zimmers scheme he has done a fantastic job of utilizing Micah in the run game aside from that final drive in the Baltimore game. He's given Micah a lot of options on run responsibilities so teams can't just take advantage of his size and bully him in the run game as easily.

From a pass rush standpoint Micah is getting so much better from a technical standpoint. Hes a guy who just thrived off elite athletic ability the last few years, but seems to be developing a better feel and technique as a pass rusher this season. Hats off to the coaching staff this season in that regard. He seems to be using his hands better along with excellent footwork. There is still the argument he needs to do it when the lights are brightest, but hes been fun to watch on film the last few games.

I'll keep an eye on it. Earlier this year, he was getting abused in the run game.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'll keep an eye on it. Earlier this year, he was getting abused in the run game.

Honestly I dont think he was nearly as much as people thought he was. There were some bad plays where Zimmer had him lining up inside shoulder of the Tackle, which he is simply too small for, which is what happened in the Baltimore game. Overall though most people were complaining about setting the edge and complaining that he failed to set the edge especially on those zone read plays. Really though people had been over simplifying the scheme Zim was running up front and they were doing some gap exchange concepts for the LB on that side to take the edge responsibilities while the DE crashes down on the dive. Once you recognize what they are doing its hard not to see it. Overshown was getting really good at it where both the DE and LB would appear to play dive but he used his elite speed to fake going inside and bounce out and take care of the outside runner.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He has elite abilities but are those abilities truly changing games against the best competition? I would have to say no. I don't recall him coming up big in our playoff games and for that matter against high level competition in general. He is definitely not elite in being able to maintain the edge in run defense. He is undersized to be a DE and once his athleticism begins to fade, it's not going to be pretty.

He can be amazing to watch but I have serious concerns about giving him the contract he wants for the reasons above.

agreed. that's why I believe IMHO that we should switch to a 3-4 defense. Micah is better suited to be a 3-4 OLB, rush the passer from standup position gives him all the advantage. Osa is perfect fit to play 3-4 DE. we just need that behemoth in the middle.

 

[McKDaddy]

Honestly I dont think he was nearly as much as people thought he was. There were some bad plays where Zimmer had him lining up inside shoulder of the Tackle, which he is simply too small for, which is what happened in the Baltimore game. Overall though most people were complaining about setting the edge and complaining that he failed to set the edge especially on those zone read plays. Really though people had been over simplifying the scheme Zim was running up front and they were doing some gap exchange concepts for the LB on that side to take the edge responsibilities while the DE crashes down on the dive. Once you recognize what they are doing its hard not to see it. Overshown was getting really good at it where both the DE and LB would appear to play dive but he used his elite speed to fake going inside and bounce out and take care of the outside runner.

The game I am thinking of the offense was inviting him to go upfield (outside shoulder of T) and simply sealing him as the play went where he had been. IMO it was poor discipline not scheme. They kept doing it & he wasn't adjusting.

They were running the ball effectively against us and he should have been aware that he needed to play run first on most downs.

 

[bluemagic4ever]

Micah is a very talented player but I couldnt make him the highest paid player in the league. He lacks leadership and maturity to IMO. I understand the allure and opportunity that comes with being in Dallas but we already have a culture of owners, who dont care about the product on the football field more than they care about making money. I feel like Micah's focus on his podcast and not having the right culture in coaching hampers him. I also see alot of great games early in the season, and then he disappears in the back end of the season in previous seasons. He has to be more consistent and has to focus more on football. I think he deserves to be paid but its a reason he isnt like Garrett, Watt, Bosa and company and you dont see them on podcast and they dont disappear either- he isnt at their level and I cant see making him the highest paid player every bc of that.

 

[thunderpimp91]

The game I am thinking of the offense was inviting him to go upfield (outside shoulder of T) and simply sealing him as the play went where he had been. IMO it was poor discipline not scheme. They kept doing it & he wasn't adjusting.

They were running the ball effectively against us and he should have been aware that he needed to play run first on most downs.

Remember which game it was? I'd be curious if it were one of those early season sames or not. What youre describing is certainly something Micah would do and did often under DQ.

 

[McKDaddy]

Remember which game it was? I'd be curious if it were one of those early season sames or not. What youre describing is certainly something Micah would do and did often under DQ.

Good question. I don't think I watched any games until #4 went out so guess it would have to be Eagles or after.

 

[Coogiguy03]

If you have to ask what Micah is great at ....... there is no reason to tell you.

being quick?

 

[MapleLeaf]

Micah simply needs to let the podcast go, during the season.
Dallas & Micah need to sit down and work on what makes him better. (we don't see anything new)
Micah needs to study film, and understand technique and opponent tendencies & weaknesses matter (assumption)

Depends on what you want Micah to do. Right now he is pretty darn good at putting pressure to the pocket in passing situations and sacking the QB based on games played.

This should be an indicator that he has great/elite speed and is very good at hand fighting and getting "skinny".

If we want him to study film will he actually get any better at beating protection? I suspect he won't actually get any better. What film could do is make him better at sniffing out screens and run defence.

But if we want him to study film more it would be because we want him to play LB more and he would then need to understand offensive alignments, offensive pre-snap looks and protections so he could be in the right position and help his LB and D-back teammates get in the right positions. He is probably not the MLB, but learning film would help him shore up the MLB's calls and understand what teams are trying to do to his side of the field.

This I fear would negate his superpower. Elite speed and pass rush ability. So I am more interested in seeing Micah collapse the pocket and attack the QB.

 

[Whyjerry]

It would be a big mistake to sign Parsons. It’s pretty clear he is not beloved in the locker room. Guy has zero leadership in him. The podcasting thing is ridiculous. Here’s the most alarming thing he is always gassed late. Always.

 

[charron]

The better teams expose the lack of talent surrounding Micah. The question is how does a defensive coach scheme to mitigate that and still keep Micah productive? Without overshowns speed behind micah's elite rush I believe Micah has to move back to LB on more snaps.

 

[Cmac]

Depends on what you want Micah to do. Right now he is pretty darn good at putting pressure to the pocket in passing situations and sacking the QB based on games played.

This should be an indicator that he has great/elite speed and is very good at hand fighting and getting "skinny".

If we want him to study film will he actually get any better at beating protection? I suspect he won't actually get any better. What film could do is make him better at sniffing out screens and run defence.

But if we want him to study film more it would be because we want him to play LB more and he would then need to understand offensive alignments, offensive pre-snap looks and protections so he could be in the right position and help his LB and D-back teammates get in the right positions. He is probably not the MLB, but learning film would help him shore up the MLB's calls and understand what teams are trying to do to his side of the field.

This I fear would negate his superpower. Elite speed and pass rush ability. So I am more interested in seeing Micah collapse the pocket and attack the QB.

Ok, just remember athleticism will only get you so far......indicators of technique.....swim moves, spin moves, hand movement. Can't always rely on athleticism. Just sayin'

 

[stilltheguru]

Stephen Gilmore already answered this question

 

[sunalsorises]

He's versatile. He can rush the QB and break up passes 30 yards down field. That's how he should be used but it seems he's become limited to rushing the QB.

 

[cald0d30s0]

It would be a big mistake to sign Parsons. It’s pretty clear he is not beloved in the locker room. Guy has zero leadership in him. The podcasting thing is ridiculous. Here’s the most alarming thing he is always gassed late. Always.

Don't tell to anyone here how this guy has 0 leadership skills. They will repeat you how many sacks he got against loosing record teams over and over and over again.