Micah is ready to re-sign and wants the front office to be aggressive in the offseason

[Coogiguy03]

Aggressive????? How, with no Cap Space????????

the cap is a myth, but we're available 24/7 365 for free agency

 

[CWR]

Have the Eagles ever traded away 'elite'/Star player, do they extend EVERY player they can? Totally different model and they're not obsessive with the Annual Relevancy' and they can get players to sign longer (restructure contracts) as they dont care about the future (which is surprising that the Octogenarian does!!)

If you want the Eagles situation we need to start trading, indeed, the main offseason issue (other than 'that' contract) was that Jerry didnt do a full reset by trading anyone of even limited value: Zack (taking CAP hit), Osa, J-Lew, Cooks, Ferguson.

We are facing the 'double trouble', in the very near future, of:
1) Massive elite contracts: Dak, CeeDee, Micah, Tyler (on LT money) and Bland
2) A massive drop off as the poor/very poor 2023 and 2024 Drafts Fail to provide even average starters (especially with Overshown's two serious injuries).

We're left in no-man's land of: under achieving elite contracts and a need to pay over the top in free agency (or go the JAG ROUTE) as we need to many holes to fill. This is the 'problem' of the viewpoint, we have the CAP, in theory YES, but in practice you cant just add.

Werw facing more extensions, as is every other team.

We also have Martin, Dlaw and others coming off the books. We will move money around and we CAN obviously utilize void years several seasons out when the cap is even larger.

I agree we should be making more trades and be much more tactical with how and when to spend.

My point is only the cap isn't this hard number that has us hamstrung and unable to make moves. There are many different levers and mechanisms allowing teams to manipulate it. Jerry is ultra conservative because he's afraid of having a reconciliation season or two down the road. He won't take the risk. Well that and I think he's super cheap.

 

[Runwildboys]

I'll wait a year and reflect.

Just like Jerry did this season!

 

[CowboyoWales]

Werw facing more extensions, as is every other team.

We also have Martin, Dlaw and others coming off the books. We will move money around and we CAN obviously utilize void years several seasons out when the cap is even larger.

I agree we should be making more trades and be much more tactical with how and when to spend.

My point is only the cap isn't this hard number that has us hamstrung and unable to make moves. There are many different levers and mechanisms allowing teams to manipulate it. Jerry is ultra conservative because he's afraid of having a reconciliation season or two down the road. He won't take the risk. Well that and I think he's super cheap.

I appreciate it's not a hard number...but neither is it something to dismiss with a sentence like 'we can create 100m by resructuring'....without factoring in the effects on future CAP levels and big contracts you've got on the horizon.

Jerry is cheap, but holding back, seeing what he's got (in his established stars and youngsters) is a pretty sound strategy for 2025....unless you think we're Championship bound.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Just like Jerry did this season!

Exactly, and look how he was right in taking that approach.....we were miles off competing for Championship games even before Dak's injury.

 

[Ranching]

Hopefully Jerry won't drag it out.

That would be disgusting....

 

[CowboyoWales]

the cap is a myth, but we're available 24/7 365 for free agency

It's neither a 'myth' nor is it as hard and 'unflexible' tool that can't be a manipulated.

The one point of debate would be that if Dak had taken a similar approach to what Micah is (apparently) taking, then the CAP situation would be a lot healthier....and I'm not talking the AAV, I'm talking the length of contract and undertakings about the roster.

 

[Coogiguy03]

It's neither a 'myth' nor is it as hard and 'unflexible' tool that can't be a manipulated.

The one point of debate would be that if Dak had taken a similar approach to what Micah is (apparently) taking, then the CAP situation would be a lot healthier....and I'm not talking the AAV, I'm talking the length of contract and undertakings about the roster.

I get on Micah a lot, but if he really is going to be team friendly, that says a lot about dak

 

[CowboyoWales]

I remember him saying this 2-3 weeks ago.

Hopefully Jerry won't drag it out.

I suppose we know he will, because in Jerry's mind the process will be....
a) Pay massive contract
b) Expect player to become instant HoF'er
c) Rely on him, (after all I'm paying him millions)....IM NOT PAYING ANYONE ELSE TO HELP HIM.
IMO, this was Jerry's thought process after paying Dak and CeeDee....I'm not paying for a running game, I've just paid $90m+ on the pass.
I suppose it's that brain that geared towards bottom line (and media headlines) rather than footballing strategy.

 

[gimmesix]

Well yes, but after his poor form in the 8 games he played and then the injury WITH possible effects on his already marginal flexibility, is it wise to heavily restructure that Base Salary, especially if there is a potential to Post June cut him in 2026, or cut in 2027?

Because of guarantees, it's doubtful we're out from under that contract before 2028. I'd push that money forward, knowing that when we do get out of the contract, we'll likely have a player on a rookie deal replacing him. Make him a June 1 cut and eat it over two years while that new QB isn't getting paid that much. Then use that money to actually bolster this roster.

The NFL salary cap is set up to be manipulated to create flexibility to strengthen your roster. Just 'cause the Joneses don't do that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't. A contract like Dak's is perfectly structured for a restructure.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Because of guarantees, it's doubtful we're out from under that contract before 2028. I'd push that money forward, knowing that when we do get out of the contract, we'll likely have a player on a rookie deal replacing him. Make him a June 1 cut and eat it over two years while that new QB isn't getting paid that much. Then use that money to actually bolster this roster.

The NFL salary cap is set up to be manipulated to create flexibility to strengthen your roster. Just 'cause the Joneses don't do that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't. A contract like Dak's is perfectly structured for a restructure.

We're going to hit Dead Money at some point, so it'll come down to whether Jerry wishes to take the hit (earlier) or compound matters by restructuring and paying the additional ($100m of Base Salary between 2027and 2028).
If he stinks the gaff up then 2026(post) or 2027 WILL BE most prudent call.
It's not restructure of the CAP that I'm against, it's doing it when we aren't near competing and there are massive question marks on our QB ...... health and performance....issues which aren't necessarily CAP related.
Prefer to see where he is in 2025 (and under new coaching regime), before we re-annoint him as a Franchise QB behind which you go ALL-IN.

 

[Playmaker3128]

Hardest working player in the off-season. On pace for a hall of famer career despite being double and triple teamed all game. Now he may take less money than what he's worth? Ive never seen a player care so much about this team, care about winning that is so hated on. I get his podcast turns people off some, but that's all he does. He's not a bad guy off the field either, he cares about this organization. We could use more players like him.

 

[CWR]

I appreciate it's not a hard number...but neither is it something to dismiss with a sentence like 'we can create 100m by resructuring'....without factoring in the effects on future CAP levels and big contracts you've got on the horizon.

Jerry is cheap, but holding back, seeing what he's got (in his established stars and youngsters) is a pretty sound strategy for 2025....unless you think we're Championship bound.

Yes he's half right. It's the other half why we can't get out of the divisional round. You can't rely solely on the draft and one year deals.

Something over looked in the one year prove it deals is they don't necessarily promote a strong team approach. I dont think it's unreasonable to believe some of these guys are a lot more concerned with personal goals than team goals. I think it leads to a lot of "hero ball."

I do believe the bill for the Eagles and their 350 million in void money will eventually come due. That's ok if it nets them a shot at a championship. It's the definition of "all in," and something we should have done after 3 straight 12 win seasons. Instead we did nothing and blamed the cap.

Even AdamJT has tweeted about how the cap is not prohibitive. His word is gold, mine certainly is not.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Hardest working player in the off-season. On pace for a hall of famer career despite being double and triple teamed all game. Now he may take less money than what he's worth? Ive never seen a player care so much about this team, care about winning that is so hated on. I get his podcast turns people off some, but that's all he does. He's not a bad guy off the field either, he cares about this organization. We could use more players like him.

Alot of the saltiness against him is from those deflecting upon him the same arguments made about their pet cat Dak.
As you say he's worth it even as a distraction....didn't he play one of the SF games up against Trent Williams.... what a waste.
My reasoning for the extension to be done sooner rather than later somewhat follows what he says and hopefully makes him concentrate on what's best for the team and the defensive scheme....rather than the obsession to get into the backfield as that will increase his worth.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Yes he's half right. It's the other half why we can't get out of the divisional round. You can't rely solely on the draft and one year deals.

Something over looked in the one year prove it deals is they don't necessarily promote a strong team approach. I dont think it's unreasonable to believe some of these guys are a lot more concerned with personal goals than team goals. I think it leads to a lot of "hero ball."

I do believe the bill for the Eagles and their 350 million in void money will eventually come due. That's ok if it nets them a shot at a championship. It's the definition of "all in," and something we should have done after 3 straight 12 win seasons. Instead we did nothing and blamed the cap.

Even AdamJT has tweeted about how the cap is not prohibitive. His word is gold, mine certainly is not.

Agree, it's not prohibitive....indeed he would of found the CAP if we'd got passed GB and Detroit in 2023. The manner in which all aspects of the team failed meant you take the soft reset.
But spending CAP for the sake of it just plays into Jerry's 'Annual Relevancy'.... spending it in 2025 is moronic, unless it's on a piece that's a cornerstone for many years.
What I disagree with is the viewpoint that because it's possible we should do it....as we stand that's going ALL-IN on a pair....the time to of done it was at the Deadline in 2023. But the GB game, with the issues at every level would of probably meant we'd come up short in any case.

 

[noshame]

Just like Jerry did this season!

Kind of except, Jerry didn't wait long. Enough.

 

[CWR]

Agree, it's not prohibitive....indeed he would of found the CAP if we'd got passed GB and Detroit in 2023. The manner in which all aspects of the team failed meant you take the soft reset.
But spending CAP for the sake of it just plays into Jerry's 'Annual Relevancy'.... spending it in 2025 is moronic, unless it's on a piece that's a cornerstone for many years.
What I disagree with is the viewpoint that because it's possible we should do it....as we stand that's going ALL-IN on a pair....the time to of done it was at the Deadline in 2023. But the GB game, with the issues at every level would of probably meant we'd come up short in any case.

I agree and wouldn't want to spend just because we can.

I know we came up short in a lot of areas, but I don't believe it's because we don't have players. We are short some guys in key positions and it weakens the entire effort.

I'd have signed Dline help, a rb and another wr this past offseason. I wouldn't have necessarily just signed anyone though. I realize it's a tough process but the deals Barkely, Henry and Mixon got were not unreasonable, for example. Besides that we've proven to struggle drafting big DTs, so go get one in FA. It's mind numbing to me that we keep repeating the same failed process.

As far as our window and when to spend I'd align it with the qbs contract. The only way it made sense to extend him was to put a supporting cast around him. You can't pay him and pretend he's Mahomes, Burrows or Allen.

 

[ICP]

Well he might get the contract but as far as the aggressive part of it he better look back over the past 10 years and see how bad their track record is

 

[CowboyoWales]

I agree and wouldn't want to spend just because we can.

I know we came up short in a lot of areas, but I don't believe it's because we don't have players. We are short some guys in key positions and it weakens the entire effort.

I'd have signed Dline help, a rb and another wr this past offseason. I wouldn't have necessarily just signed anyone though. I realize it's a tough process but the deals Barkely, Henry and Mixon got were not unreasonable, for example. Besides that we've proven to struggle drafting big DTs, so go get one in FA. It's mind numbing to me that we keep repeating the same failed process.

I realize we are going OT (sorry Mods)....but (unlike so many threads) this has taken an interesting twist on specifics. (unlike so many of these polarized point scoring threads).

I'll take the part of, what I think Jerry would view it (mixed in with a bit of my opinions)..... so thoughts on last 2024 offseason ....

D-LINE - 100% agree, do anything and everything to spent on a FA DT. Even based on the fact that linemen tend to have longer careers due to the scarcity and the fact they dont rely so much on the one attribute that goes first (speed). Though it's ironic, that Wilkins was on IR for most of season . Christian Wilkins - 4 years, $110M

WR - I realize this is Jerry Think, but he'd look at the room and he'd say, this the one area that didnt capitulate vrs GB, i'm spending on Dak and CeeDee and Cooks and Ferguson (with improvement from Tolbert), should be enough. After all, in 2023 we were 3rd in Yards, 1st in TD's . In hindsight Ridley would of been a great get....but at the time would he of moved the needle (after the successful year). Calvin Ridley - 4 years, $92M

RB - I dont see us getting Barkley nor Henry (who should of been the target at the trade deadline, if Jerry had ANY ability to trade)....as Balt and Phil reliance on the run, their run blocking Lines and available CAP would of been a much greater attraction than whatever Jerry could of given. I also think Jerry has the, im about to spend $90m+ i'll save on the run game. But YES on Mixon, especially for a 7th, that could of been the 'get' (again, cant see Jerry being able to make a trade....im getting a pattern here....he just cant make a deal). Joe Mixon - 3 years, $25.5M

So ive added what they signed for (assumed that we'd get them at the same rate). Now the argument that we could have $100m in 2025, with the carryover and fully restructure, those three above would of come to (for seasons 2024 and 2025) = $105m just for those three . We can restructure (Wilkins, Mixon, Ridley's base salary in 2025), but that would only give us about $15m extra in CAP saving.....so we'd have minimum left to fill out the roster (and we have a number of gaps in the 52).

That then bites into 2026 and by OTC calculations (taking into account the 2025 restructure, and we have so many holes) is left with only about $30m left and we'd extend: Micah (10m, yr1 as per Bosa's contract) Tyler ($20m, 5th year and Bland ($8-$10) again we've minimal left (after again restructuring Dak and CeeDee). as they are going to be costly.....But it is manageable.

We look at Roseman and drool over the CAP spending, but i'd actually suggest Jerry's just as culpable as he's unable to evaluate internally and externally and is unable to complete a trade.

Your most pertinent point is definitely....."the same failed process"

As far as our window and when to spend I'd align it with the qbs contract. The only way it made sense to extend him was to put a supporting cast around him. You can't pay him and pretend he's Mahomes, Burrows or Allen.

Playing the Jerry proxy, I think he agree's with that, however, as you said "same failed process" (and the GB game) meant he took the starting position of i'm getting rid of what we've got and get by in 2024 on the highly paid players (with JAG's), a soft reset as he clears as much of the CAP debt as possible and with a chance of getting as far as we did in 2022, 2023,2024

The massive knock on this, was that Jerry didnt think we'd stink as much as we did in 2024 and the elephant in the room that Dak was a contributory factor, and that the injuries would hit and effect not just 2024, but will knock into 2025 (and maybe further).

My biggest concern, based on this low point we've reached: roster wise, injuries and 'new' coaching, is whether it's prudent to throw the whole CAP into YR 1 of the Dak contract cycle.....as the 2024 maybe Dak moving forward as he gets older (and he does need full, on field, support/weapons to succeed).

Bringing this post back to: the Micah OP, and your point about 'same failed process', and DT situation......yes we need to hit Free Agency to obtain what we cant get and dont have internally....a DT is A MUST (and Christian Wilkins would of solidified our run stopping issues and would of mutually assisted Micah in pass-rush) Id also go O-Line, to help on all Offensive levels (protection of Dak and the running game).....indeed Stanley and Robinson at LT would certainly elevate protection and running game. Yes it's expensive, however, building both lines helps Dak (who needs the run game, O-line protection and the Defense to give him time- but stopping the run), or if we see Dak struggle those lines will help the new QB.

To help Micah, we'd be left looking at a pass-rusher in first couple of rounds.