Michael Jackson's ghost spotted inside his house on CNN

[Jon88]

And ghosts aren't?

There isn't a single shred of definitive proof that either exists.

Ghosts are real IMO. There are too many people who can testify to it. Hundreds of thousands more than those liars who say they saw Bigfoot.

 

[Hoofbite]

How do you define definitive proof? What's the epistemological basis for the conclusion you've derived?

Is there any definition that would give either of these things any sort of credible claim to existence?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Is there any definition that would give either of these things any sort of credible claim to existence?

Certainly. One need only cut the tether of methodological naturalism, and abandon the notion that all phenomenon must be explainable through purely naturalistic causes.

People have reported seeing ghosts and experiencing supernatural events throughout history. There's probably more recorded evidence for ghosts and spirits than missing links.

 

[theogt]

Certainly. One need only cut the tether of methodological naturalism, and abandon the notion that all phenomenon must be explainable through purely naturalistic causes.

People have reported seeing ghosts and experiencing supernatural events throughout history. There's probably more recorded evidence for ghosts and spirits than missing links.

The only reliable recorded evidence of ghosts is testimony of alleged witnesses.

"Missing links" are numerous:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

 

[Jon88]

The only reliable recorded evidence of ghosts is testimony of alleged witnesses.

"Missing links" are numerous:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

Missing links may be numerous, but eyewitness testimony of seeing missing links is far less in number than testimony of seeing ghosts. There aren't any missing links alive and those people can be easily debunked as liars. You can't say the same for people who see ghosts, and I think this video is evidence of something that you really can't explain.

 

[theogt]

Missing links may be numerous, but eyewitness testimony of seeing missing links is far less in number than testimony of seeing ghosts. There aren't any missing links alive and those people can be easily debunked as liars. You can't say the same for people who see ghosts, and I think this video is evidence of something that you really can't explain.

I would think that eye witness testimony of missing links would be zero, considering they wouldn't be "missing links" if they currently existed. Regardless, actual fossils are better evidence than eyewitness testimony, 10 times out of 10.

I really couldn't care less how many people tell me they've seen ghosts. There's no other credible evidence. Honestly, I can't believe you actually admit to believing in ghosts. I would think someone would fear being laughed at too much to admit such a thing.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The only reliable recorded evidence of ghosts is testimony of alleged witnesses.

"Missing links" are numerous:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

If there's fossil evidence of the "link" in question, it's not missing. When I speak of missing links, I'm referring to the gaps in the fossil record that would provide an evolutionary bridge between a discovered species and its nearest known ancestor.

Evidence of ghosts includes eye witness accounts as well as EVP recordings, video footage, and photographs. You're free to dismiss this evidence as unreliable. You're also free to question the credibility of witnesses. However, I would point out that you have yet to provide any working methodology for determining reliability.

 

[Jon88]

I would think that eye witness testimony of missing links would be zero, considering they wouldn't be "missing links" if they currently existed. Regardless, actual fossils are better evidence than eyewitness testimony, 10 times out of 10.

I really couldn't care less how many people tell me they've seen ghosts. There's no other credible evidence. Honestly, I can't believe you actually admit to believing in ghosts. I would think someone would fear being laughed at too much to admit such a thing.

It doesn't bother me at all to admit to believing in ghosts. Science can't explain everything because we don't know everything. I've known very reputable people who have told me some of the things they've witnessed. I'm not a close-minded person, and all the people who are can laugh at me all they want - while I laugh harder.

 

[masomenos]

This has been pretty informative so far.

Bigfoot - Fake
Ghosts - Real
Lochness - TBD
Kraken - TBD
Mermaids - TBD

Anyone know?

I think Tom Hanks dated a mermaid once, and he's a pretty trustworthy fellow.

 

[Jon88]

This has been pretty informative so far.

Bigfoot - Fake
Ghosts - Real
Lochness - TBD
Kraken - TBD
Mermaids - TBD

Anyone know?

I think Tom Hanks dated a mermaid once, and he's a pretty trustworthy fellow.

Will agree with everything except mermaids. I don't know what Kraken is?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

This has been pretty informative so far.

Bigfoot - Fake
Ghosts - Real
Lochness - TBD
Kraken - TBD
Mermaids - TBD

Anyone know?

I think Tom Hanks dated a mermaid once, and he's a pretty trustworthy fellow.

Are you actually admitting to believing in ghosts?

You should be careful lest you invite Theo's scorn and derision.:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Are you actually admitting to believing in ghosts?

You should be careful lest you invite Theo's scorn and derision.:

noone ever comes back from that

I do

that's because I'm awesome though

 

[CATCH17]

Ghosts are real IMO. There are too many people who can testify to it. Hundreds of thousands more than those liars who say they saw Bigfoot.

People who "dont believe" better hope ghosts aren't real.

 

[masomenos]

Will agree with everything except mermaids. I don't know what Kraken is?

It's a giant, ship-eating squid.

I think it's what sank the Santa Maria before Columbus and Magellan reached America.

 

[masomenos]

Are you actually admitting to believing in ghosts?

You should be careful lest you invite Theo's scorn and derision.:

Theo and I share the unbreakable bond of doubting Chris Johnson and Felix Jones. We are forever linked through folly.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

noone ever comes back from that

I do

that's because I'm awesome though

I've taken notice of your awesomeness, Bob. It was apparent when I first gazed upon one of your posts.:

 

[Jon88]

People who "dont believe" better hope ghosts aren't real.

You can say that again. They are real. You can rely on science all you want, but you're getting half the picture (at best).

 

[Jon88]

It's a giant, ship-eating squid.

I think it's what sank the Santa Maria before Columbus and Magellan reached America.

Ok, well I think that's fake. There are giant squid that may can entangle small boats but that's it.

 

[bbgun]

Ghosts aren't real? So whose been "haunting" the Dallas Cowboys for the last dozen years?

 

[theogt]

If there's fossil evidence of the "link" in question, it's not missing. When I speak of missing links, I'm referring to the gaps in the fossil record that would provide an evolutionary bridge between a discovered species and its nearest known ancestor.

Evidence of ghosts includes eye witness accounts as well as EVP recordings, video footage, and photographs. You're free to dismiss this evidence as unreliable. You're also free to question the credibility of witness. However, I would point out that you have yet to provide any working methodology for determining reliability.

The term "missing link" is a term applied to any evidence of evolutionary chains. Obviously there is evidence of evolutionary chains, as I posted the link, so there is evidence of "missing links."

By your definition, there can be no "missing link" because if evidence exists of the link, it's not missing.

As for the other evidence you claim, I specifically stated "credible evidence." Shaky hand cameras with light spots aren't what I'm referring to. I don't have to provide any "working methodology for determining reliability." It's called common friggin' sense. I can't believe I'm actually arguing about ghosts. I've hit a new low. I'm out.