Michael Sam in St. Louis preseason games

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You know I wish someone would make a Jack Crawford or Lavar Edwards Gif thread.

You know of guys that are actually on the 53 man roster.

Here is some info on Lavar Edwards 2nd year out of LSU from 2013:
http://www.chatsports.com/tennessee...ght-Defensive-Lineman-Lavar-Edwards-2-8340208

Through two preaseason games, Edwards has played 54 out of 147 snaps and besides the sack has 1 QB hit, 4 tackles (1 assist) 2 TFLs, and 3 stops.


Jack Crawford is an Englishman described as an elite athlete he was a total of 18 total tackles in his third NFL season.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/meet-rookies-raiders-de-jack-crawford

People really need perspective on Sam. He is a 7th round pick who was the SEC player of the year. He is not even on the 53, I understand that some people believe that it is a Jerry publicity stunt, but even if it is who cares? IT IS THE PRACTICE SQUAD!!
 

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You know I wish someone would make a Jack Crawford or Lavar Edwards Gif thread.

You know of guys that are actually on the 53 man roster.

Here is some info on Lavar Edwards 2nd year out of LSU from 2013:
http://www.chatsports.com/tennessee...ght-Defensive-Lineman-Lavar-Edwards-2-8340208

Through two preaseason games, Edwards has played 54 out of 147 snaps and besides the sack has 1 QB hit, 4 tackles (1 assist) 2 TFLs, and 3 stops.


Jack Crawford is an Englishman described as an elite athlete he was a total of 18 total tackles in his third NFL season.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/meet-rookies-raiders-de-jack-crawford

People really need perspective on Sam. He is a 7th round pick who was the SEC player of the year. He is not even on the 53, I understand that some people believe that it is a Jerry publicity stunt, but even if it is who cares? IT IS THE PRACTICE SQUAD!!

I have said previously that all of this talk and energy directed towards a Practice Squad player is silly.

With that said and understood...

With this defense (especially the line) there is a small to fair chance he could actually see playing time. We got guys that are probably not going to start the season (Spencer of we know our Rook DE is not going to start). We got guys with injuries or injury concerns like Selvie. Plus the idea that we went through so many last season AND the idea that Rod and the FO has pushed the idea of WAVES of defenders being rushed in and out...there is a small to fair chance they he could get some playing time IF they can not find better via FA or the practice squad.

If he does not make it, he does not make it.

So I have to be fair to others and state that there is that possibility with this team...even If I doubt it happens and he is just a Practice Squad player.
 

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It is not up to you...or I...or anyone else on this forum...unless Jerry or other members of the Dallas Cowboys FO are posting here under different user names.

We're not.
 

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Here we are getting ready to kick off the season against the hated 40 Whiners and we're talking about this stuff. Not about the game. Not about the game. The game that we all love. Not about the game. We talkin bout practice players. We talking bout practice players. Not the game. Not the game.

Not only that but the bar is so low that most are entertaining a guy that has "a little something to offer."

Seriously. He isn't going to make or break this rag-tag defense.

Santa's available. He checks in at about 6'-2"/ 320. Doesn't have a forty time but the dude can get some serious **** done in a single night.
 

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If you are Jerry and you see me coming your way...Might want to keep your distance as sometimes I would like to smack the wrinkles out of your face with some of the things you say and do lol

Jerry would pay you good money to accomplish that feat.
 

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I was more impressed with Westbrooks than Sam.

BTW, people keep saying Sam wasn't kept by the Rams because Rams already had a too many good Dlinemen yet Westbrooks made the team as a UDFA. It seems like Sam's main competition was Westbrooks and Westbrooks came out of head. I was hoping they cut Westbrooks instead.

Westbrooks definitely made more plays than Sam.
 

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I have said previously that all of this talk and energy directed towards a Practice Squad player is silly.

With that said and understood...

With this defense (especially the line) there is a small to fair chance he could actually see playing time. We got guys that are probably not going to start the season (Spencer of we know our Rook DE is not going to start). We got guys with injuries or injury concerns like Selvie. Plus the idea that we went through so many last season AND the idea that Rod and the FO has pushed the idea of WAVES of defenders being rushed in and out...there is a small to fair chance they he could get some playing time IF they can not find better via FA or the practice squad.

If he does not make it, he does not make it.

So I have to be fair to others and state that there is that possibility with this team...even If I doubt it happens and he is just a Practice Squad player.

If Sam plays one down for the Cowboys then all the arguing, craziness will be moot because the Cowboys will have admitted that he was better then most of the street free agents that they brought in.

I'm laughing here because the Cowboys have so many guys who probably don't even belong on an NFL squad and everyone is going crazy over someone who is not yet on the 53 man roster.

Nick Hayden - is there an explanation necessary
Terrell McClain - 1 career sack
Rolondo McClain - retired twice from the NFL and he was traded for a 6th round pick.
The two defensive ends that were referenced already.
Jeff Heath
Tyler Patmon
Sterling Moore

I could go on, but what is the point. It's hilarious!!
 

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If Sam plays one down for the Cowboys then all the arguing, craziness will be moot because the Cowboys will have admitted that he was better then most of the street free agents that they brought in.

I'm laughing here because the Cowboys have so many guys who probably don't even belong on an NFL squad and everyone is going crazy over someone who is not yet on the 53 man roster.

Nick Hayden - is there an explanation necessary
Terrell McClain - 1 career sack
Rolondo McClain - retired twice from the NFL and he was traded for a 6th round pick.
The two defensive ends that were referenced already.
Jeff Heath
Tyler Patmon
Sterling Moore

I could go on, but what is the point. It's hilarious!!

Yeah, but those guys have potential. Or something.
 

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Not sure why all the negativity. If his name was John Doe, we would be glad the team is looking at other options and ways to improve the team.

geesh. He's gay, so what. It won't mean more jersey sales, ticket sales, or anything else. Will more people watch? Perhaps. But the extra number of viewers won't even register on the ratings.

He's just a kid trying to make a living. The media will move on to the next thing. They always do. Just like what's his name in San Diego.

Actually it has meant more jersey sales. Unless you think his stellar career up to this point is the reason for him having the 6th highest jersey sales in the league so far this year.
 

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Westbrooks definitely made more plays than Sam.

I also read that Westbrooks had one of the best preseasons for an UDFA in the whole nfl so if they had to decide between the two they took the guy who flashed more. Says more about Westbrooks abilities than Sams lack of them
 

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It'd be interesting to see how many guys who are against this happening are the same people who complained all week about doing whatever we can to get any sort of pass rush.
 

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Sam played in about nine quarters in four preseason games (3 v NO, 2 v GB, 1 v CLE, and 4 v MIA). I counted 2 sacks and 3 pressures. Here are the sacks:
Both sacks came in the 4th quarter when it was 3rd down and forever (19 & 21 respectively). Flynn tried getting away but Sam closed the distance quickly. Manziel was locked in on his receiver and he got blindsided. Two of his pressures were because he was not blocked. The other pressure, Sam got by a block with speed.

Sam would have had 2 TFL's this preseason but he missed both. One was on a shotgun hand off. He got through the line quickly and had the RB dead to rights but he whiffed on the tackle. The other play he split a block and got to the ball carrier about 2 or 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He was just behind the RB and goes for the tackle but couldn't wrap up and the ball carrier turns a negative play into a positive one.

Sam played primarily LDE. St. Louis had Sam line up as RDE for one series and he couldn't do anything. Sam doesn't have enough speed or the pass rushing moves to compete on the weak side right now. We need RDE's.

I was a little surprised that Sam can play against the run. He's stronger than I thought. He can handle 2nd team RT's. Sam was able to set the edge by using his long arms and a good base. He would be an even better run defender if he could shed blocks quicker.

Overall, Sam has some ability but he needs work. He isn't quick enough to win with speed only. Especially against better competition because he struggled against backups. Sam isn't going to overtake any of our defensive ends on the roster. He isn't good enough. He does have a nice motor and he doesn't give up on plays. I think the practice squad is where he belongs. He can get more work and in time he could turn into a player.

excellent way to post about the signing.
end of the day it is about performance and nothing else.

sam was not good enough to make the rams roster.
he is good enough to make this practice squad.

if he averages 3 sacks every 4 games (like he did in the pre-season) here he'll be good enough to make the ring of honor.
but first he has to prove in practice he's good enough to even make the 53.
right now no way we truly know that.
once he practices with these guys we will.

whichever rams DE was cut, westbrooks or sam was always the best possible DE available for the PS.
the Rams have arguably the best DL in football, yes even better than Seattle and we'd love any of their top 8 guys.

Sam is insanely strong in his lower body and can hold at the point of attack.
He lacks the upper body strength to toss aside blockers though.
He is an effort guy who will plow through defenders and get sacks.
He doesn't display elite quickness and lacks height off the edge for batting down balls.
Does have very long arms for his height.
Probably is best as a 275 pound 1st or 2nd down RDE that moves to SDE for passing situations.
Early in his career many only be able to play as a SDE on pass rushing downs.
Has enough pass rush acumen to keep RTs honest.
His college production wasn't a mirage.
His effort and overall level of play was quite high.
He will be best next to a pass rushing demon at 3 that draws double teams.
Probably a round 4-5 grade as a prospect if there was no stigma associated with him.
Needs to gain upper body strength and learn some pass rush moves beyond a bull rush.
With 15 pounds of muscle added over a couple of years could become a Pro Bowl SDE. But that's the ceiling.

His biggest asset is you do not have to worry about him playing hard.
As a coach that's the best thing you could say to me about any of my players.
 
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