Michigan DT's

[cnuball21]

If the coach has a weird system or something like that I can understand it. But just because its Michigan (which by the way I despise) means nothing.

100% agree…also most fans don’t realize MICH has a different DC now that emphasizes getting up the field. Mazi played in a weird scheme of hold block then read react which is so hard to project.

 

[baltcowboy]

I’m a huge fan I just can’t take a DT in the first that doesn’t have pass rush production unless we’re picking in the 30s…

What is Parsons, Kneeland, Sam, and Overshown for?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Graham is closer to being Hutchinson level good probably in that he has some elite traits and incredible hustle. Mazi is closer to Taco, physical ability but little production.

(Feel dirty giving Mazi the Taco comparison with him trending up the last few games but he was historically bad to start his career).

I'm less sold on Grant but have not watched tape of him specifically, just in the peripheral of Graham.

Grant was a stud today vs OSU. Both of them were/ Absolutely shut down OSU running game

Grant is who people pretended Mazi was when we drafted him

 

[cnuball21]

What is Parsons, Kneeland, Sam, and Overshown for?

I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying…

Regardless my point remains the same. You want a run clogger only DT you can get them later in the draft. The special ones are the ones that can play the run and rush the passer. Those are 1st round DTs IMO.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I’m a huge fan I just can’t take a DT in the first that doesn’t have pass rush production unless we’re picking in the 30s…

If I feel confident that portion of his game can develop, I would. Id take Payne where he went, and Grant has more production than Payne did

 

[rambo2]

How is the DT from Kentucky….Walker I think….playing and where is he projected to go at this point?

I don’t watch much college ball anymore.

Late 1st or 2nd.

 

[baltcowboy]

I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying…

Regardless my point remains the same. You want a run clogger only DT you can get them later in the draft. The special ones are the ones that can play the run and rush the passer. Those are 1st round DTs IMO.

My point is we have rushers to get the quarterback. We need big people to clog up the middle and stop the run. The defense will always have issues if we don’t stop the run.

 

[darthseinfeld]

My point is we have rushers to get the quarterback. We need big people to clog up the middle and stop the run. The defense will always have issues if we don’t stop the run.

I disagree with @cnuball21 on the player, but I agree with him that a 1st round DT needs to also be a pass rush threat

 

[gtb1943]

I disagree with @cnuball21 on the player, but I agree with him that a 1st round DT needs to also be a pass rush threat

which was why Mazi was such a dumb pick; he had NEVER shown any real ability to rush the passer

 

[darthseinfeld]

which was why Mazi was such a dumb pick; he had NEVER shown any real ability to rush the passer

Mazi was a dumb pick because it was based purely on projection without any tape showing he gives you anything out of the gate.

Some projection is ok, even necessary. But with a top 30 pick, you need something now to hang your hat on. Everyone who actually studied Smith as a prospect knew you werent getting that

 

[baltcowboy]

I disagree with @cnuball21 on the player, but I agree with him that a 1st round DT needs to also be a pass rush threat

We always go at it. We just agree to disagree. Just like arguing with you. We all want the Cowboys to get better. I love the debates you all make good points and not jerks about it. I get it. Nobody wants to draft Jordan Davis with a top 15 selection.

 

[darthseinfeld]

We always go at it. We just agree to disagree. Just like arguing with you. We all want the Cowboys to get better. I love the debates you all make good points and not jerks about it. I get it. Nobody wants to draft Jordan Davis with a top 15 selection.

There is a bit of a threat that Grant could be like Davis. There are similarities there. Grant does have more pass rush production though. 6.5 sacks the last two years so far

 

[baltcowboy]

There is a bit of a threat that Grant could be like Davis. There are similarities there. Grant does have more pass rush production though. 6.5 sacks the last two years so far

I just look at Grant as someone that will make the whole line better. Stats are meaningless if he can clog the middle. I think if Mazi can actually get a full offseason of training and weight lifting he will take another step. I like Harmon from Oregon the best out of the tackles. Te me he has the most upside as a pass rusher of the defensive linemen.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I just look at Grant as someone that will make the whole line better. Stats are meaningless if he can clog the middle. I think if Mazi can actually get a full offseason of training and weight lifting he will take another step. I like Harmon from Oregon the best out of the tackles. Te me he has the most upside as a pass rusher of the defensive linemen.

I think Harmon is going to be a stud. I think he winds up the 2nd DT off the board. He may not make it to us

 

[baltcowboy]

I think Harmon is going to be a stud. I think he winds up the 2nd DT off the board. He may not make it to us

I will be honest. I think if we lose to Cincinnati we lose out. Our offense is putrid especially with CeeDee’ s injury. I think we will get a top 10 pick. Harmon could go before Graham though. So he may not make it to us.

 

[gtb1943]

I just look at Grant as someone that will make the whole line better. Stats are meaningless if he can clog the middle. I think if Mazi can actually get a full offseason of training and weight lifting he will take another step. I like Harmon from Oregon the best out of the tackles. Te me he has the most upside as a pass rusher of the defensive linemen.

I see no sign that Mazi needs so called weight training
what I see is lack of technique and consistent effort

EITHER Grant or Harmon would make the DL 50% better day one

 

[Cowboyny]

Both Grant/Williams are ideal NT’s, where I see the likes of Graham, Harmon, Nolan more as 3’s. Graham, Harmon probably could play both, those are the higher rated players cause of their 3 down abilities

 

[baltcowboy]

I see no sign that Mazi needs so called weight training
what I see is lack of technique and consistent effort

EITHER Grant or Harmon would make the DL 50% better day one

Mazi had no offseason because of shoulder surgery. He needs to be on a NFL weight training regimen. This offseason he can work on his technique as well. He basically was not cleared to play until right before training camp in August.

Maybe Grant and Harmon are good prospects but it takes time. You know if one of them does not have two sacks and gets washed on a run play folks on the board will call them a bust.

 

[rambo2]

My point is we have rushers to get the quarterback. We need big people to clog up the middle and stop the run. The defense will always have issues if we don’t stop the run.

Grant can clog the middle and rush the passer. He is a solid 1st round player.

 

[cnuball21]

My point is we have rushers to get the quarterback. We need big people to clog up the middle and stop the run. The defense will always have issues if we don’t stop the run.

We have 1 proven pass rusher in Parsons…Kneeland is a run stopper and Williams has proven to be completely unreliable.

100% agree about stopping the run though.