Michigan State's Malik McDowell is the latest 30-visit revealed

[Nova]

Sick talent. Questionable Attitude and Effort.

Not the guy I want with the first pick, but it's nice they visited with him at least to see him up close for themselves and pick his brain.

 

[dbonham]

Who in the NFL draws triple teams?

Malik McDowell did it in college, hence my saying he can do whatever he wants if he's drawing triple teams.

 

[rkell87]

This is my no brainer pick at 28, if he's there he is far and away the best player

 

[CATCH17]

At his best, he looks like David Irving.

Just don't see what having two of them and having to figure out how to make them consistent would work.

Marinelli already has yet to figure out what to do with Irving and how to keep him motivated and active. His job would be so much easier with a self starter.

Kinda what Taco Charlton reminds me of too.

I'm all for adding another David Irving type but i'd rather have a DB then another David Irving.

A pass rush specialist is what we need but The Charles Harris and Takk Mckinleys don't excite me too much.

 

[CATCH17]

Probably a good guy to bring in. A lot say if he plays to his potential he could be the best lineman in draft. It is a big IF though otherwise he would be long gone by 28. Bring him in and spend time with him to see if he is a guy you could get the most out of. The answer is probably no but if he came in with his own nickname.....

I will say Jerry likes to gamble but Garrett is not a coach who tends to get the most out of the players with questionable work ethic or off the field concerns. Jimmy was great at it but those players don't fit with jason at most times.

The one thing I will give this organization is they created a culture in the locker room with a lot of hard working guys. I think at this point it's pretty contagious inside that locker room and everyone buys in.


When you have a culture like that I think you can get a few outliers to buy in.

 

[Alexander]

This is my no brainer pick at 28, if he's there he is far and away the best player

He is my no-brain pick for the Cowboys too.

That one player we always pick that seems to have no brain.

 

[CATCH17]

This guy is an elite talent. Could have been a top-10 guy, maybe top-5. If you can't get up for a chance at an NFL-type of payday, what can you get up for? Maybe he's just young and dumb, but maybe he's just dumb and lazy. We've had our share of talented and dumb guys and those typically don't work out too well. Dez is the exception because he at least is willing to work hard.

I'm not in a position to write the guy off, but the coaches and FO needs to find out what (if anything) motivates the guy before picking him.

He screams Bengals draft choice to me.

What scares me about these types of players is that we do not ever correct our mistakes in Free Agency. Ever.

So we allow ourselves almost no room for risks in the first round. We risk everything in the 2nd round for some reason and it always comes back to bite us. We almost never get a contributor in round 2. Even Sean Lee has shown why he was a round 2 player because of his health.


We need to draft clean players for the first 3 rounds. Hard working and dependable guys that will do their job.

I wouldn't mind McDowell but I would hope that he's not our 1st pick unless we traded back and got a few more picks.

 

[rkell87]

He is my no-brain pick for the Cowboys too.

That one player we always pick that seems to have no brain.

See I don't get this with him, all he did was dominant to the point that he was getting triple teamed and the rest of his team couldn't take advantage. Battling injuries, nothing left to play for, team sucks, and if you get hurt you lose millions of dollars. Yeah I'm taking a play or two off at the end of a game that's already decided, it's the prudent thing to do. He would have the biggest net positive impact on this team of anyone we have a shot at drafting.

 

[Sydla]

He is my no-brain pick for the Cowboys too.

That one player we always pick that seems to have no brain.

Tight competition between McDowell and Teez.

 

[pupulehaole]

I'd be ok with McDowell @ 28

 

[TheFinisher]

See I don't get this with him, all he did was dominant to the point that he was getting triple teamed and the rest of his team couldn't take advantage. Battling injuries, nothing left to play for, team sucks, and if you get hurt you lose millions of dollars. Yeah I'm taking a play or two off at the end of a game that's already decided, it's the prudent thing to do. He would have the biggest net positive impact on this team of anyone we have a shot at drafting.

It's just mindless groupthink

Teams are more concerned that he's immature, which at only 20 years old is fairly common

 

[waving monkey]

See I don't get this with him, all he did was dominant to the point that he was getting triple teamed and the rest of his team couldn't take advantage. Battling injuries, nothing left to play for, team sucks, and if you get hurt you lose millions of dollars. Yeah I'm taking a play or two off at the end of a game that's already decided, it's the prudent thing to do. He would have the biggest net positive impact on this team of anyone we have a shot at drafting.

reasonable

 

[waving monkey]

On the strength side of Malik McDowell i say hell ya.
On the weak side I say "what does Marineeli say"

I don't know how bad a head case this kid is but his talented enough for a through check out.
When you say "very immature" what actions is he demonstrating? Is he coach-able? Is he a good locker room guy?

Is he just silly and a goof off? but plays hard. He took plays off what does that mean, what were the circumstances?

Let's say Marinelli thinks he can reach him. [1]We address a big time talent to the 3T that
can rotate to strong side rush if needed. We addressed a pressure solution in a creative
way.
[2] Marinelli might want to have two 3T's on certain downs.

Malik Collins is already our 3T and his a solid guy. Could Collins be that good influence
on McDowell like he was on Gregory in college. Just thinking.

 

[Alexander]

See I don't get this with him, all he did was dominant to the point that he was getting triple teamed and the rest of his team couldn't take advantage. Battling injuries, nothing left to play for, team sucks, and if you get hurt you lose millions of dollars. Yeah I'm taking a play or two off at the end of a game that's already decided, it's the prudent thing to do. He would have the biggest net positive impact on this team of anyone we have a shot at drafting.

You can go on YouTube and watch interviews he gives. I know it sounds silly, but he really gives off this vibe he is in it for himself. I can see why his Combine interviews went so poorly. If asked about a disappointing junior year and all he offers is a shoulder shrug and excuses, it is hard to put a lot of faith in him. Maybe it is me, but spending a first round pick on a flake is hard to justify, no matter how talented. The IF is very big.

 

[fishspill]

It's just mindless groupthink

Teams are more concerned that he's immature, which at only 20 years old is fairly common

The vast majority of this board we're falling over themselves to create new ways of writing about Bosa in order to dismiss him more than the poster above them last year. It was so plain how talented he was. I trust what I see over what anybody on here says.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Who in the NFL draws triple teams?

Eagles cheerleaders?

 

[baltcowboy]

The vast majority of this board we're falling over themselves to create new ways of writing about Bosa in order to dismiss him more than the poster above them last year. It was so plain how talented he was. I trust what I see over what anybody on here says.

People were listening to Broaddus on the draft show instead of believing there eyes.

 

[Alexander]

People were listening to Broaddus on the draft show instead of believing there eyes.

If it was all about "believing their eyes" then there would rarely be draft busts.

When is the last time you saw a first round pick who bombed that didn't look good playing in college?

There is a work ethic and character element involved in player success.

 

[fishspill]

There is a work ethic and character element involved in player success.

You are 100% correct and I think that's where the problem is. People in the NFL have better access to this information and still screw it up. People on this board get second and third hand information and present it as gospel. Make decision; think no more.

Zeke had character issues as much as Bosa but didn't have that frat boy look people tend to despise. Zeke's immaturity got a pass and here we are now hoping he doesn't appear on TMZ in the next 3 months.

 

[chicago JK]

If it was all about "believing their eyes" then there would rarely be draft busts.

When is the last time you saw a first round pick who bombed that didn't look good playing in college?

There is a work ethic and character element involved in player success.

yep, I think most times people can see who is an NFL prospect and who isn't. The things we cannot see is much bigger imo. Who will not get hurt? Obviously we can't tell this but I think an injury early in an NFL career probably lowers success by 30% or so.

Who truly loves football vs plays because they are really good. I am sure there are hall of famers who just played because they were really good. But if you don't really love the game, you would be more likely to walk away after some setbacks with your one contract.

How do you react when you feel like you are one of the worst players on the team. Do you put in the work to improve every day or do you lose confidence and never get it back?

How do you fit in with a lockerroom full of alpha males who can smell doubt a mile away? You are going to have some crazy teammates. How do you survive where everyone is an alpha male and you need to stand your ground and push back when necessary.

IMO, outside of the college tape this stuff above is more important than height, 40 time, 10 yard split, vertical jump etc.