Mick Foley done with TNA.

[RoyTheHammer]

Well it's good to see you admit that its the smart move for him to go to the WWE.

It'd be a smart move for anyone, just based on the money. However i gotta respect the guys who stay in TNA because they care about the product and the company and don't just go take the huge contract.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Well it's good to see you admit that its the smart move for him to go to the WWE.

Only smart if they will offer him atleast 1.5 million a year or so, which is the pay range for Orton, Cena level stars... TNA he reportadly makes 500-700k, he is the highest paid guy on the roster besides Hogan, makes more than Kurt Angle(he re signed for 3 years for around 1.2million, so 400k a year, but he gets bonuses for house shows and percentage of merch. It probably comes around the same as Styles). He has a job for life with TNA, in WWE he wouldn't. In TNA he is a main eventer as long as he wants to stay in shape, in WWE with Vince in charge they'd bury him so he can laugh at TNA.

That's the difference, it depends on how they would use him. WWE he could potentially make alot more money, but he is still one of the top 7 or so paid wrestlers in the world, in TNA, so its not like he's starving for money :laugh2:

 

[Cowboy Brian]

It'd be a smart move for anyone, just based on the money. However i gotta respect the guys who stay in TNA because they care about the product and the company and don't just go take the huge contract.

Not anyone, some people such as Styles depending who are in charge are treated much better in TNA than they would be in WWE. Vince always loves burying and rebuilding stars he didnt make, Ron Killings was not a "star" and he was still buried nearly 3 years before getting re-built, AJ is the biggest star not built by vince since WCW closed, so he would be buried without a doubt.

 

[Hoofbite]

Solid movie but one that I read, again in a Foley book, that both Funk and Roberts were not pleased with because they were told it was going to be something totally different (more of a piece to promote and help wrestling) and then it turned out it was more of a darker documentary on some of the stuff in wrestling.

Still it was pretty good. I enjoyed it.

I'd have a hard time believing they weren't aware of his angle.

It was pretty clear what was going on. He had a camera in Funk's face from the moment the guy woke up in pain until the moment the doctor told him he shouldn't even be able to walk in his current state.

I also have no doubt that Foley knew exactly what was going on. He watched the Hell in a Cell match with Foley and Foley flat out stated he felt like a horrible person to put his family through that.

I think the movie was excellent and enjoyed it more-so because it was the side of the business you don't hear about.

Jake's story is completely awful and I can see him being more pissed that the severity and scope of his addiction is out in the open more-so than being under the wrong impression about with the film was about.

Either way, I don't think Funk has anything to be upset about. He was portrayed in a very respectable light and I thought his piece was outstanding.

Jake, he can be pissed all he wants but I think he was portrayed fairly and he really has only himself to blame for the negative half of the portrayal. I think the guy went out of his way to actually relieve some of the burden from Jake by telling you how screwed up his story is and by telling you how strained his relationship with his father was, and is.

All-in-all, I really liked the movie.

 

[DallasGirl50]

Only smart if they will offer him atleast 1.5 million a year or so, which is the pay range for Orton, Cena level stars... TNA he reportadly makes 500-700k, he is the highest paid guy on the roster besides Hogan, makes more than Kurt Angle(he re signed for 3 years for around 1.2million, so 400k a year, but he gets bonuses for house shows and percentage of merch. It probably comes around the same as Styles). He has a job for life with TNA, in WWE he wouldn't. In TNA he is a main eventer as long as he wants to stay in shape, in WWE with Vince in charge they'd bury him so he can laugh at TNA.

That's the difference, it depends on how they would use him. WWE he could potentially make alot more money, but he is still one of the top 7 or so paid wrestlers in the world, in TNA, so its not like he's starving for money :laugh2:

So on the one hand you are suggesting WWE offer him Orton/Cena money but on the other you suggest Vince would bury him to laugh @ TNA. That makes no sense...business or otherwise.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

So on the one hand you are suggesting WWE offer him Orton/Cena money but on the other you suggest Vince would bury him to laugh @ TNA. That makes no sense...business or otherwise.

It would make a ton of sense business wise for WWE.. If they take AJ from TNA it is simply a matter of time until it goes under, and then the closet competition for talent is what, ROH? They pay the top guys 75k-100k a year, so that 1.5m contract would save them tens of millions in future salaries as they could say you take 300k from us, or work for peanuts on the indys.

 

[DallasGirl50]

It would make a ton of sense business wise for WWE.. If they take AJ from TNA it is simply a matter of time until it goes under, and then the closet competition for talent is what, ROH? They pay the top guys 75k-100k a year, so that 1.5m contract would save them tens of millions in future salaries as they could say you take 300k from us, or work for peanuts on the indys.

IT would make no sense for Vince to pay him what he is paying his top guys & then bury him just "to have a laugh"...that's just silly. And I would think if AJ ever considered WWE & a big contract that he would not sign without an assurance that he would be one of their top guys. The top guys WORK for those millions Vince gives out. He would not sign him for millions & bury him....and if you really think if AJ left that TNA would go under they aren't in very good shape...what if he broke his neck & could never wrestle again? Do you still think they'd go under? Would be the same scenerio..he's not there.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

IT would make no sense for Vince to pay him what he is paying his top guys & then bury him just "to have a laugh"...that's just silly. And I would think if AJ ever considered WWE & a big contract that he would not sign without an assurance that he would be one of their top guys. The top guys WORK for those millions Vince gives out. He would not sign him for millions & bury him....and if you really think if AJ left that TNA would go under they aren't in very good shape...what if he broke his neck & could never wrestle again? Do you still think they'd go under? Would be the same scenerio..he's not there.

Thats not the same, TNA would still have him as an on-screen character. I'm far from the only TNA fan that knows how great AJ is, he carries the company. It's not that they are in bad shape w.o him, but he is what keeps the company financially stable, I remember a few years back TNA ran a show in Westbury NY, and my friends and I only decided to go because AJ was on the card. Again a year ago, only because AJ was on the card. My other friends that enjoy wrestling are mainly WWE fans and only watch TNA for AJ Styles, Jeff Hardy, RVD & Kurt Angle.

AJ Styles is a draw, and most likely no mater what WWE offers him he would turn it down if Vince was in charge, if HHH was in charge he would probably go and probably be used properly.

If you ever go to a TNA live event, which I highly recommend as they usually have 5 or so great matches and it costs you around $15-20 bucks depending where it is, you'll see. The crowd always goes NUTS for AJ Styles, everytime i've seen TNA Live, AJ gets the biggest pop by a mile, except when they had him as a heel/stupid Prince AJ gimmick under King Angle, which was absolutely idiotic. He still received one of the biggest pops of the night, second only to Samoa Joe.

 

[DallasGirl50]

My wrestling bucks are reserved for WWE..i go to RAW/SD's if they come to Houston..sometimes Dallas. Booker has a local promotion I have been to..it's garage wrestling. The guys will never be big time but he's always there to talk to so I've been to that. I have never seen TNA anywhere close..probably wouldn't go unless Sting was heavily involved. I won't argue anymore about Vince/AJ....I'm just spinning my wheels on that discussing that with you.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

It'd be a smart move for anyone, just based on the money. However i gotta respect the guys who stay in TNA because they care about the product and the company and don't just go take the huge contract.

Yes that's what I meant was based on money. I have no issue with people that turn that down to stay where they enjoy it more.

I respect that. I've never said anything bad about AJ not wanting to leave. To each their own and I commend them for it.

Not anyone, some people such as Styles depending who are in charge are treated much better in TNA than they would be in WWE. Vince always loves burying and rebuilding stars he didnt make, Ron Killings was not a "star" and he was still buried nearly 3 years before getting re-built, AJ is the biggest star not built by vince since WCW closed, so he would be buried without a doubt.

You know that Ron Killings was in the WWE for like a year or so before he ever went to TNA, right?

He was K-Kwick, or something like that, and was getting over a little bit as a face before moving to TNA.

I'd have a hard time believing they weren't aware of his angle.

It was pretty clear what was going on. He had a camera in Funk's face from the moment the guy woke up in pain until the moment the doctor told him he shouldn't even be able to walk in his current state.

I also have no doubt that Foley knew exactly what was going on. He watched the Hell in a Cell match with Foley and Foley flat out stated he felt like a horrible person to put his family through that.

I think the movie was excellent and enjoyed it more-so because it was the side of the business you don't hear about.

Jake's story is completely awful and I can see him being more pissed that the severity and scope of his addiction is out in the open more-so than being under the wrong impression about with the film was about.

Either way, I don't think Funk has anything to be upset about. He was portrayed in a very respectable light and I thought his piece was outstanding.

Jake, he can be pissed all he wants but I think he was portrayed fairly and he really has only himself to blame for the negative half of the portrayal. I think the guy went out of his way to actually relieve some of the burden from Jake by telling you how screwed up his story is and by telling you how strained his relationship with his father was, and is.

All-in-all, I really liked the movie.

Oh I agree. It was darn good. I enjoyed it. As for if they didn't know or not I have no idea. I can only go by what I've read, including from Foley in his books, about how they were not pleased because the guy told them he intended to show it in one way and then did it the complete opposite.

Thats not the same, TNA would still have him as an on-screen character. I'm far from the only TNA fan that knows how great AJ is, he carries the company. It's not that they are in bad shape w.o him, but he is what keeps the company financially stable, I remember a few years back TNA ran a show in Westbury NY, and my friends and I only decided to go because AJ was on the card. Again a year ago, only because AJ was on the card. My other friends that enjoy wrestling are mainly WWE fans and only watch TNA for AJ Styles, Jeff Hardy, RVD & Kurt Angle.

AJ Styles is a draw, and most likely no mater what WWE offers him he would turn it down if Vince was in charge, if HHH was in charge he would probably go and probably be used properly.

If you ever go to a TNA live event, which I highly recommend as they usually have 5 or so great matches and it costs you around $15-20 bucks depending where it is, you'll see. The crowd always goes NUTS for AJ Styles, everytime i've seen TNA Live, AJ gets the biggest pop by a mile, except when they had him as a heel/stupid Prince AJ gimmick under King Angle, which was absolutely idiotic. He still received one of the biggest pops of the night, second only to Samoa Joe.

You realise that him as just an on screen character wouldn't save TNA, right? Maybe for a while but if you're convinced he's the biggest reason TNA stays going then they'd be screwed if he broke his neck and couldn't wrestle anymore.

Why? Because it would take away the part of him that actually makes him popular and over, his in-ring work. Without that he'd be a very average on screen character with average to slightly above average mic skills that people simply wouldn't tune in to see for very long.

It just wouldn't be the same if he couldn't wrestle. It's not like if Austin or HBK or HHH or Foley or The Rock or Flair or Angle or someone like that were to not be able to wrestle anymore and they just did segments as on screen characters. Those guys people would still tune in to see and watch them talk smack and what have you.

AJ would have a very difficult time with that because he's just not terribly good at it. Much improved from where he once was but still nothing more than slightly above average at it.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

It would make a ton of sense business wise for WWE.. If they take AJ from TNA it is simply a matter of time until it goes under, and then the closet competition for talent is what, ROH? They pay the top guys 75k-100k a year, so that 1.5m contract would save them tens of millions in future salaries as they could say you take 300k from us, or work for peanuts on the indys.

No offense man but if TNA were this great company, that had so much more going for it than WWE like you're always claiming, then the loss of one superstar, even their biggest name, shouldn't cause it to close.

The mere fact that you can admit that shows you exactly how far away TNA is from being a viable competitor to anyone. They're obviously not even as stable as ROH then.

WWE loses their biggest draws, on a regular basis, and just keeps on trucking. In my lifetime alone they've weathered losing Hogan, Nash, Hart, HBK, Stone Cold, The Rock, Edge, etc.

Some how they just continue to keep right on making stars, keep right on trucking along, and you're telling me that I'm supposed to just believe you that TNA is the better company when you admit something like that?

One guy? The loss of one guy seriously spells doom for the place?

That's not good. At all.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

No offense man but if TNA were this great company, that had so much more going for it than WWE like you're always claiming, then the loss of one superstar, even their biggest name, shouldn't cause it to close.

The mere fact that you can admit that shows you exactly how far away TNA is from being a viable competitor to anyone. They're obviously not even as stable as ROH then.

WWE loses their biggest draws, on a regular basis, and just keeps on trucking. In my lifetime alone they've weathered losing Hogan, Nash, Hart, HBK, Stone Cold, The Rock, Edge, etc.

Some how they just continue to keep right on making stars, keep right on trucking along, and you're telling me that I'm supposed to just believe you that TNA is the better company when you admit something like that?

One guy? The loss of one guy seriously spells doom for the place?

That's not good. At all.

The difference is this.. WWE has not always "kept on trucking".. They fell from a dominant #1, to a failing #2 quickly.... TNA wouldn't go bankrupt without Styles, but they would HAVE to develop another megastar, and there is no one in the industry that could fill AJ's shoes currently. He is exactly what TNA needs on top, doesn't matter if you like him or not, but there is not one person who could get that over with the TNA audience.

Only close example is John Cena with WWE, and around 40% of the audience wishes he would never be on TV again... Actually, Edge is the perfect example.. I've never heard a WWE fan not like Edge, same with TNA fans and Styles.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Yes that's what I meant was based on money. I have no issue with people that turn that down to stay where they enjoy it more.

I respect that. I've never said anything bad about AJ not wanting to leave. To each their own and I commend them for it.




You know that Ron Killings was in the WWE for like a year or so before he ever went to TNA, right?

He was K-Kwick, or something like that, and was getting over a little bit as a face before moving to TNA.





Oh I agree. It was darn good. I enjoyed it. As for if they didn't know or not I have no idea. I can only go by what I've read, including from Foley in his books, about how they were not pleased because the guy told them he intended to show it in one way and then did it the complete opposite.





You realise that him as just an on screen character wouldn't save TNA, right? Maybe for a while but if you're convinced he's the biggest reason TNA stays going then they'd be screwed if he broke his neck and couldn't wrestle anymore.

Why? Because it would take away the part of him that actually makes him popular and over, his in-ring work. Without that he'd be a very average on screen character with average to slightly above average mic skills that people simply wouldn't tune in to see for very long.

It just wouldn't be the same if he couldn't wrestle. It's not like if Austin or HBK or HHH or Foley or The Rock or Flair or Angle or someone like that were to not be able to wrestle anymore and they just did segments as on screen characters. Those guys people would still tune in to see and watch them talk smack and what have you.

AJ would have a very difficult time with that because he's just not terribly good at it. Much improved from where he once was but still nothing more than slightly above average at it.

Difference is, if AJ was gold on the mic it wouldn't help as much as others. I know it sounds insane, but the TNA core audience is built on fans that love wrestling, in ring wrestling. Your not finding more than 3-4 people in the world on AJ's level right now. While as an on-screen character those that love AJ styles and respect what he did would still watch him, not a great example since Edge is gold on the mic, but people would still watch him... Better example, Bret Hart, AJ is very similar to him as he is "the best in the world" in the right, but average or slightly above average at best on the mic(although i'd give AJ the edge, as Bret is just plain boring on the mic. AJ can hold his own with some of the greats on the stick.), people still tune in to see Bret, and he's had a stroke, been out of the ring 10 years+ & is average at best on the mic. People respect what he accomplished, would be the same with AJ as an on-screen character in TNA.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

My wrestling bucks are reserved for WWE..i go to RAW/SD's if they come to Houston..sometimes Dallas. Booker has a local promotion I have been to..it's garage wrestling. The guys will never be big time but he's always there to talk to so I've been to that. I have never seen TNA anywhere close..probably wouldn't go unless Sting was heavily involved. I won't argue anymore about Vince/AJ....I'm just spinning my wheels on that discussing that with you.

That's your right, but if you ever see TNA coming around look into it. You will not ever hear a bad thing about a TNA house show that isn't ridiculous, they always deliver in the ring and usually have an interesting promo on them.

 

[DallasGirl50]

That's your right, but if you ever see TNA coming around look into it. You will not ever hear a bad thing about a TNA house show that isn't ridiculous, they always deliver in the ring and usually have an interesting promo on them.

They don't come around here...I've seen the only 2 wrestlers I care to see on TNA live plenty of times so there is no interest for me in going to a TNA show.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

They don't come around here...I've seen the only 2 wrestlers I care to see on TNA live plenty of times so there is no interest for me in going to a TNA show.

Well thats your opinion ... I think they did just announce a tour of texas though

 

[DallasGirl50]

Well thats your opinion ... I think they did just announce a tour of texas though

What a weird response...I'm just like 99.9% of the public...I have X amount of money to spend on entertainment and if I spend it on wrestling it'll be on WWE...the only 2 wrestlers I care about in TNA are Sting & Angle & I have seen them both multiple times so I'm not missing out on a thing for my buck. I hardly watch TNA on TV as it is..I ff almost the whole program so why would I pay to see them?

 

[Cowboy Brian]

What a weird response...I'm just like 99.9% of the public...I have X amount of money to spend on entertainment and if I spend it on wrestling it'll be on WWE...the only 2 wrestlers I care about in TNA are Sting & Angle & I have seen them both multiple times so I'm not missing out on a thing for my buck. I hardly watch TNA on TV as it is..I ff almost the whole program so why would I pay to see them?

The live events are nothing like the TV show's, its a ton of excellent wrestling and has constantly been praised as the best wrestling show going on. Google TNA house reviews, you'll find excellent things about it.

 

[Yeagermeister]

TNA has a show here on the 11th and I'll be skipping it just like I do with WWE shows. :laugh2:

 

[big dog cowboy]

I hardly watch TNA on TV as it is.