Mickey: Do Not Minimize Dak's Availability

[Swagger]

I don’t hate Mahomes. I just don’t think he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. The media needed a lover boy to take over for Aaron Rodgers and they chose him. And the sheep went along. I think he’s an excellent elite quarterback, but he’s not the best not even close.

Well I fully agree with you on that.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I don't know if we can really call Dak "injury prone". For the first four years of his career he didn't miss a start.

-In 2020 that broken lower leg was a fluke play. The safety just rolled over his ankle at the worst possible moment.

-In 2021 he missed one game with a calf strain that he admitted was the result of overcompensating for his ankle; he recovered quickly from that.

-In 2022 he missed five games when he broke his thumb. Another fluke injury; as he hit it on a Bucs player's helmet just as he threw.

-In 2023 he stayed healthy. In 2024 the hamstring avulsion was really the first time he had a significant non-contact injury. So while we can be concerned that he's a tenth year player now that has missed sizeable chunks of three of the past five seasons....is Dak truly injury prone or just plain unlucky?

Looks like you are trying to split hairs and mince words.

 

[DallasEast]

So while we can be concerned that he's a tenth year player now that has missed sizeable chunks of three of the past five seasons....is Dak truly injury prone or just plain unlucky?

My opinion will always be all players in every sport are simply unlucky concerning bodily injuries unless they are suffering from some form of skeletal (i.e. osteoporosis, etc.) or muscular (i.e. sarcopenia, etc.) abnormality. Physics is the explanation for practically all fractures, muscle tears, etc.

I am not sure when sports fans originated the term 'injury prone', but it has been misused almost all the time. Understandably, sports create an invincible, mystical, physical aura around athletes in some fans' eyes, but that personal perception has never been scientifically based.

 

[atlantacowboy]

He's got the hamstring flexibility of a 50 year old man. This should be interesting. People like to forget Dak was healthy last year and started the year 3-4 before his non-contact injury. This wasn't a good team with him healthy.

 

[Swagger]

I don't know if we can really call Dak "injury prone". For the first four years of his career he didn't miss a start.

-In 2020 that broken lower leg was a fluke play. The safety just rolled over his ankle at the worst possible moment.

-In 2021 he missed one game with a calf strain that he admitted was the result of overcompensating for his ankle; he recovered quickly from that.

-In 2022 he missed five games when he broke his thumb. Another fluke injury; as he hit it on a Bucs player's helmet just as he threw.

-In 2023 he stayed healthy. In 2024 the hamstring avulsion was really the first time he had a significant non-contact injury. So while we can be concerned that he's a tenth year player now that has missed sizeable chunks of three of the past five seasons....is Dak truly injury prone or just plain unlucky?

Just keep up that same energy to defend Romo who probably started a higher % of games at the same point in his career than Prescott...yet Romo was apparently made of glass and a walking hospital.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

My opinion will always be all players in every sport are simply unlucky concerning bodily injuries unless they are suffering from some form of skeletal (i.e. osteoporosis, etc.) or muscular (i.e. sarcopenia, etc.) abnormality. Physics is the explanation for practically all fractures, muscle tears, etc.

I am not sure when sports fans originated the term 'injury prone', but it has been misused almost all the time. Understandably, sports create an invincible, mystical, physical aura around athletes in some fans' eyes, but that personal perception has never been scientifically based.

Fact is some humans can withstand impact, infections, disease, cuts, etc more than others. And heal faster. Not sure how you would think otherwise.

I'd entertain the idea that some are MORE lucky than unlucky...especially in contact sports...or even just any "sport" (in my case...something like SLEEPING! ) If you are active...you have a good chance of injury. I know people that have conditions from jogging. Being inactive has it's own risks too.

A pro athlete GENERALLY has certain DNA attributes that allows for strength speed coordination, etc. And of course personal efforts. That doesn't necessarily include invincibility...but it certainly could tend that direction.

No to mention, some athletes sit for hangnail and some and some play with broken collar bones (ahem AC).

I do get what you are trying to say...but...well humans will human. Cognitive bias is a harsh mistress.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Far as I’m concerned, he hit his peak. Kansas City is starting to go backwards.

He is getting older. Swallow some more hopeium and maybe Daniels and Hurts will have hit their peak, too.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Just keep up that same energy to defend Romo who probably started a higher % of games at the same point in his career than Prescott...yet Romo was apparently made of glass and a walking hospital.

Ah...there it is. Good timing.

Romo's problem is he played hurt. Playing hurt gets you more hurt. Some alleged fans can't appreciate he played with a broken collar bone. *** is that!

We get and love Emmitt played with busted shoulder too...but a QB? Romo was a warrior that gave up his body to just play...even with really bad teams.
But...hey "glass".

Interesting Dak stayed healthy with Frederick...but once lost Dak injured. QB protection matters. But...hey...Romo was GLASS with all those all pros on HIS line.

 

[DallasEast]

Fact is some humans can withstand impact, infections, disease, cuts, etc more than others. And heal faster. Not sure how you would think otherwise.

I'd entertain the idea that some are MORE lucky than unlucky...especially in contact sports...or even just any "sport" (in my case...something like SLEEPING! ) If you are active...you have a good chance of injury. I know people that have conditions from jogging. Being inactive has it's own risks too.

A pro athlete GENERALLY has certain DNA attributes that allows for strength speed coordination, etc. And of course personal efforts. That doesn't necessarily include invincibility...but it certainly could tend that direction.

No to mention, some athletes sit for hangnail and some and some play with broken collar bones (ahem AC).

I do get what you are trying to say...but...well humans will human. Cognitive bias is a harsh mistress.

1. In regards to healing, infections, disease, cuts, etc., fall within the purview of the body's circulatory, lymphatic and immune systems primarily. 'Injury prone' is a term associated with injuries to the musculoskeletal system (e.g. broken bones, muscle/tendon/cartilage damage, etc.)

2. The human body will suffer the exact same damage if enough force is applied in the exact same matter. For instance, any sports athlete who ever lived would have suffered the same 'foot on a swivel' as Dak Prescott IF their ankle had been exposed to the same amount of force. Physics.

Apologies. I felt the need to address our fellow member's injury prone comment earlier. I will step out of this sub-conversation from this point forward. I participated in the injury prone discussion nonsense at one point during Tony Romo's career. I can assure everyone I will never repeat that mistake again, lol.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Just keep up that same energy to defend Romo who probably started a higher % of games at the same point in his career than Prescott...yet Romo was apparently made of glass and a walking hospital.

Romo broke the same collarbone three times and suffered two separate back injuries in a span of six years. His injury history dwarfs Prescott's.

2010: Broken collarbone
2011: Broken rib and punctured lung
2013: Ruptured back disc
2014: Broken bone in back
2015: Broken collarbone twice
2016: Preseason back compression fracture

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

1. In regards to healing, infections, disease, cuts, etc., fall within the purview of the body's circulatory, lymphatic and immune systems primarily. 'Injury prone' is a term associated with injuries to the musculoskeletal system (e.g. broken bones, muscle/tendon/cartilage damage, etc.)

2. The human body will suffer the exact same damage if enough force is applied in the exact same matter. For instance, any sports athlete who ever lived would have suffered the same 'foot on a swivel' as Dak Prescott IF their ankle had been exposed to the same amount of force. Physics.

Apologies. I felt the need to address our fellow member's injury prone comment earlier. I will step out of this sub-conversation from this point forward. I participated in the injury prone discussion nonsense at one point during Tony Romo's career. I can assure everyone I will never repeat that mistake again, lol.

Okay....we will HAVE to disagree...civilly.

Human bone structure is not universal. If you kick my wife in the shin...it will not be the same outcome as if you kick me in the shin. Or if you kicked larry allen in the shin.

Not sure why it's so complicated. But hey...you can disappear about it.....that's fine. I would too if I were you.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Romo broke the same collarbone three times and suffered two separate back injuries in a span of six years. His injury history dwarfs Prescott's.

2010: Broken collarbone
2011: Broken rib and punctured lung
2013: Ruptured back disc
2014: Broken bone in back
2015: Broken collarbone twice
2016: Preseason back compression fracture

How many games did he play during those times?

 

[Whirlwin]

He is getting older. Swallow some more hopeium and maybe Daniels and Hurts will have hit their peak, too.

Prescott is 10 times better than Jalen hurts

 

[Whirlwin]

They didn't just randomly choose him ,

he was good since day one ,I mean maybe you missed all the AFC championship game appearances and the Super Bowl rings ,and he was doing some crazy things on the field, he was definitely a fan favorite even for non-Kansas City fans..​

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that is how you end up with a new goat candidate,​

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he is literally that, I mean we have Lamar Jackson with MVP maybe one he didn't deserve and Prescott deserved it but now he didn't get one he deserved and Allen got it but regardless it's not just how great you are they could pick Lamar Jackson, why would he not be the face he's MVP caliber, it's because he's not winning the big games, you have to have both, the man's doing great things early in his career and winning Super Bowls..​

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he's going to get on people's radar he is a good ratings grab and there's nothing wrong with that...​

His first five years in the league he was the best quarterback in the NFL. And there was a gap... i'm not a lover of Patrick Mahomes, but I know what my eyes tell me...he has done some miraculous things in great moments and got the hardware.

Now I can tell you this in recent the last three years as they took all the talent from him and some of the other teams have caught up he's just looked like a really great quarterback instead of an MVP caliber quarterback but that does happen...

I mean people around here overrated Troy and Roger, they didn't do it by themselves, you guys are ridiculous ,anybody who thinks Prescott and Romo weren't on the same level just really forget how great teams are and forget that teams win championships..

so yes, Andy Reid along with some great talent early on helped Patrick Mahomes career but Patrick Mahomes was still the best quarterback in the league his first 5 years in the league he was hands down he took over for Brady not Rogers,​

rogers still had a little bit of juice left but Rogers was already on a decline, tom Brady passed the torch to Mahomes.3 SB wins already at 29

Mahomes has led the Chiefs to seven consecutive AFC Championship Game appearances and five Super Bowl appearances since becoming their starting quarterback in 2018.

If that somehow lacks some respect from you, that's insane look the man was super great to start his career he's got all the hardware now to go into the HOF today.. if he retired, he's on the trip five years from now to be first ballot Hall of Famer, it is true... He is the new G O A T, for now...

Show me another player in today's game that came in as a rookie and then ever since then has been in every afc championship game that means they must have won their division almost every single time as well and already have three Super Bowl rings in what's supposed to be the afc has the better quarterbacks and a little bit better talent at least up until the last few years so that means he was having to beat better teams..

Yes, I realize it's a team game but dude seriously from 2018 up until today they've been in every single AFC championship game and probably won every one of their division titles But that's seven straight division titles along with seven straight afc championship game appearances...3 SB wins...thats is bigtime

Come on, he threw up a Hail Mary in the Super Bowl against San Francisco. He had the best team in the league. Most overrated quarterback in the entire league since the beginning.

 

[Whirlwin]

They didn't just randomly choose him ,

he was good since day one ,I mean maybe you missed all the AFC championship game appearances and the Super Bowl rings ,and he was doing some crazy things on the field, he was definitely a fan favorite even for non-Kansas City fans..​

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that is how you end up with a new goat candidate,​

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he is literally that, I mean we have Lamar Jackson with MVP maybe one he didn't deserve and Prescott deserved it but now he didn't get one he deserved and Allen got it but regardless it's not just how great you are they could pick Lamar Jackson, why would he not be the face he's MVP caliber, it's because he's not winning the big games, you have to have both, the man's doing great things early in his career and winning Super Bowls..​

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he's going to get on people's radar he is a good ratings grab and there's nothing wrong with that...​

His first five years in the league he was the best quarterback in the NFL. And there was a gap... i'm not a lover of Patrick Mahomes, but I know what my eyes tell me...he has done some miraculous things in great moments and got the hardware.

Now I can tell you this in recent the last three years as they took all the talent from him and some of the other teams have caught up he's just looked like a really great quarterback instead of an MVP caliber quarterback but that does happen...

I mean people around here overrated Troy and Roger, they didn't do it by themselves, you guys are ridiculous ,anybody who thinks Prescott and Romo weren't on the same level just really forget how great teams are and forget that teams win championships..

so yes, Andy Reid along with some great talent early on helped Patrick Mahomes career but Patrick Mahomes was still the best quarterback in the league his first 5 years in the league he was hands down he took over for Brady not Rogers,​

rogers still had a little bit of juice left but Rogers was already on a decline, tom Brady passed the torch to Mahomes.3 SB wins already at 29

Mahomes has led the Chiefs to seven consecutive AFC Championship Game appearances and five Super Bowl appearances since becoming their starting quarterback in 2018.

If that somehow lacks some respect from you, that's insane look the man was super great to start his career he's got all the hardware now to go into the HOF today.. if he retired, he's on the trip five years from now to be first ballot Hall of Famer, it is true... He is the new G O A T, for now...

Show me another player in today's game that came in as a rookie and then ever since then has been in every afc championship game that means they must have won their division almost every single time as well and already have three Super Bowl rings in what's supposed to be the afc has the better quarterbacks and a little bit better talent at least up until the last few years so that means he was having to beat better teams..

Yes, I realize it's a team game but dude seriously from 2018 up until today they've been in every single AFC championship game and probably won every one of their division titles But that's seven straight division titles along with seven straight afc championship game appearances...3 SB wins...thats is bigtime

Three Super Bowls is big-time but yet people don’t give Troy Aikman the Credit

 

[Whirlwin]

His head? Or your head?

I rely on speak and text. I have neuropathy nerve damage in my hands from the military.
People know this about me I guess you never knew . Google changes even after I proofread what I say, and I can’t help their spelling.
That’s why a lot of my posts seem gobbled and the punctuation is atrocious.
But to answer your question, I think it went over somebody else’s head. First.
But that was funny, lol

 

[big dog cowboy]

Far as I’m concerned, he hit his peak. Kansas City is starting to go backwards.

3 super bowls in a row is starting to go backwards?

 

[blueblood70]

Come on, he threw up a Hail Mary in the Super Bowl against San Francisco. He had the best team in the league. Most overrated quarterback in the entire league since the beginning.

Not having this conversation with you I stated all the facts and you're just trying to belittle his career by mentioning one play that made his career no the man has been a monster back there moving in the pocket taking off getting first downs you know winning games when they need to be won that's what makes you a champion crunch time the man in crunch time has been 1 of the best quarterbacks i've ever watched he's better than Aikman..

He definitely has been part of a great organization great coach great offense to be in but don't try to compare players especially when you're only using one play dude troy was carried by Emmett Smith the offensive lying to defense jimmy Johnson in that entire coaching staff do you want to talk about somebody that was overrated it was him he has three championships but I'm betting you could probably put Romo or dak in there in that same situation they would have won i'm not sure about that in Kansas City especially some of the later ones....

I am not a Kansas City Chiefs fan I hate Texas Tech as a Longhorns fan so I'm not a fan of Patrick Mahomes and I can tell you this as a fan of the NFL he deserves every damn bit of positivity and whatever label you want to give him he's already earned that you can't take it away...

 

[blueblood70]

3 super bowls in a row is starting to go backwards?

Well, it would have sealed his goat status the new goat if he'd actually won it, 3peat,

but yeah 7 Straight AFC championship games 7th straight division championships,

he already has three Super Bowl wins, yes going to three Super Bowl somehow all of a sudden it's a team game and in in the case of the KC yes the organization is great but he had a big part of that success he fit perfectly with Andy Reid's offense and of course at the beginning he wasn't alone it was all loaded, but I saw the plays with my own eyes the man was crazy back there in the pocket the OFF script runs for first downs a crazy throws, I think people think that that's easy, no that is a talent that you can't teach he has a clutch gene he has a dont quit gene and that's what makes him great..

No, he's not the best quarterback I've ever seen but he's definitely already probably in the top 10 all time conversation or higher and going to three straight Super Bowls is great but it was the rest of his resume to back that up as even better because we saw JIm Kelly go to four straight and lost, you got at least back that up with some other things on your resume...

I'm not sure why whirlwin is trying to downplay this guys career it's insane I mean I get it it is a team game but we all saw it the man is great is he fall as snow did he have help yes but that is what we tried to say around here sure would be nice if the coaching staff and the support system was better for our quarterbacks then they can show who they really are not just being blamed for everything that goes wrong...

 

[blueblood70]

Three Super Bowls is big-time but yet people don’t give Troy Aikman the Credit

No because Troy is being considered overrated I watched him play the game he's nothing like Patrick Mahomes but Troy gets enough credit for the three cerebral he's just questioned the team that was assembled and where it ran through was Emmett Smith and the offensive line then the defense and then you had the coaching staff one of the best ever assembled.

There are similarities but he didn't win 7 straight division titles or 7 straight NFC championship game appearances he didn't almost have a 3 peat..

Yes Troy was great but there was a reason people question him look at his stats they're going to say it was because he didn't need to put up big stats because he had one of the best runners in the run game and they ran 1st but why all the turnovers why all the low production that's where they questioned him the man was protected on every level and still threw a lot of interceptions he still fumbled the ball he still made mistakes and big moments that nobody remembers but when we're talking about comparing a player like Patrick Mahomes who's not even that deep into his career you know like Tom took a 19 year career to build what he built that's why they call him the goat but this is where Patrick Mahomes is already on that road to that kind of career.

troy did not do that..... I'm not downplaying Troy's career but there's a difference here between these two players if you can't see it I'm sorry it's not just their athleticism off script plays because that is what makes Mahomes more special but they took a bunch of his talent away the last three years and sure he doesn't look exactly the same but they're still getting to the Super Bowl the last three years they've been almost as inactive and lame in the offseason and free agency as the Cowboys and yet there they are still going to Super Bowls still getting into the championship games that's where the separation comes in my mind no ones trying to discredit Troy but sometimes you can look at the teams assembled and you can say ok could somebody like Romo or Prescott be substituted for Troy and they still get it done and they answer it to a lot of people is yes..

But I'm not sure just anybody could have done all the things that my homes have done and it wasn't just one Hail Mary go read look at all those games the 1st downs the clutch plays it isn't just 1 throughout the entire game he makes those very subtle and yes see it looks easy and unimpressive because that's why he's great he makes it look effortless even though there's not a lot of people that can do what he's done..

Look man like I said I'm not a fan of Texas Tech as a matter of fact I hate them i'm not a fan of the Chiefs and I'm not a fan of Patrick Mahomes but when you're going to ask me how I feel about him you're going to get the truth not somehow being **** hurt and jealous and trying to discredit what he's done...