Might as well sticky- Jerruh says Wade stays

[theebs]

What do you mean continuity got flushed down the toilet when Phillips was hired? He's been here for two years so far, and it's obviously going to be three, according to Jerry.

Honestly, I wish fans didn't dislike him so much, but I also would much rather keep an unpopular coach who is good (and who has been here for two years) than just get a new one for the sake of having a new one.

the organization for the first time since jimmy was here, had continuity in a philosophy, approach, preperation and style.

He had all the coaches right in his lap. Sporano, pasqualoni, bowles, dehaven, david lee, kacy rodgers etc...

The day he hired wade phillips he ended the continuity. Then in turn wade and jerry spent the spring of 07 making backhanded comments at the former coach and his philosophy.

Well now we are seeing the long term results. And soon we will hear more nonsense about what the next coach is going to do and how the new draft class is going to put us over the hump.

 

[theebs]

Point is that, not me, but John Madden said last night during the game that the Raven corners were "running DALLAS' routs" because they were so predictable. That, combined with what Lewis says, and it makes me believe that we are predictible on offense. You don't think that is a problem friend. THAT IS MY POINT.

well if John Madden said it last night, who could argue.

 

[Mash]

so was norv turners.

We only used 3 running plays essentially in route to back to back superbowls and 6 straight years of making the playoffs.

Whats your point? The offense has to be more difficult in creation, implentation and schematics to be more effective?

That was a different era....plus Aikman was so accurate that the out pattern to Irvin was a gimmie most of the time.

Plus we had a dominate OL and Emmitt back there.......we dont have a OL close to being that dominate running the ball....thats the big difference.

Norv used the run to set up the pass.....teams respected our running game......Garrett uses the pass to set up the run.....(funny how the shotgun draw is the only running play that had any success)

When you have that mind set......and you havent figured out how to beat a cover 2.....you will struggle. Plus Romo is alot more careless with the ball then Aikman ever was.

Bad combination when facing tough games in Dec and playoffs. So yes the offense does have to be more creative.

 

[Givincer]

the organization for the first time since jimmy was here, had continuity in a philosophy, approach, preperation and style.

He had all the coaches right in his lap. Sporano, pasqualoni, bowles, dehaven, david lee, kacy rodgers etc...

The day he hired wade phillips he ended the continuity. Then in turn wade and jerry spent the spring of 07 making backhanded comments at the former coach and his philosophy.

Well now we are seeing the long term results. And soon we will hear more nonsense about what the next coach is going to do and how the new draft class is going to put us over the hump.

Ah, very good point. He definitely could've promoted Sporano.

I'm speaking of making a decision going forward though. Canning Phillips now because of a decision made in 2007 doesn't make much sense. I was saying, for the sake of continuity going forward, Phillips must stay.

 

[theebs]

That was a different era....plus Aikman was so accurate that the out pattern to Irvin was a gimmie most of the time.

Plus we had a dominate OL and Emmitt back there.......we dont have a OL close to being that dominate running the ball....thats the big difference.

Norv used the run to set up the pass.....teams respected our running game......Garrett uses the pass to set up the run.....(funny how the shotgun draw is the only running play that had any success)

When you have that mind set......and you havent figured out how to beat a cover 2.....you will struggle. Plus Romo is alot more careless with the ball then Aikman ever was.

Bad combination when facing tough games in Dec and playoffs. So yes the offense does have to be more creative.

well I agree with all that, and norv turner is head and shoulders above Jason Garrett but I dont think making it more complicated would help any.

The reason it maybe so basic, if that is true is because the players cant grasp anymore. WHo knows. Romo is careless. I really dont have a problem with the first pick it was like a great punt, however it wasnt third down. The second int should never have happened. I wish he would stop trying to get 81 the ball so much. But again, maybe it is basic because the team cant handle more? Maybe it is limited to try and limit romos mistakes?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

the organization for the first time since jimmy was here, had continuity in a philosophy, approach, preperation and style.

He had all the coaches right in his lap. Sporano, pasqualoni, bowles, dehaven, david lee, kacy rodgers etc...

The day he hired wade phillips he ended the continuity. Then in turn wade and jerry spent the spring of 07 making backhanded comments at the former coach and his philosophy.

Well now we are seeing the long term results. And soon we will hear more nonsense about what the next coach is going to do and how the new draft class is going to put us over the hump.

There isn't a coach that left that would have stayed working for JJ.
They all knew what he was about.

 

[theebs]

Ah, very good point. He definitely could've promoted Sporano.

I'm speaking of making a decision going forward though. Canning Phillips now because of a decision made in 2007 doesn't make much sense. I was saying, for the sake of continuity going forward, Phillips must stay.

I would like to believe that too, its just wade phillips is entirely the wrong guy and in turn another change is going to have to be made.

And I hope it is not a retread or some coach who caters to jerry.

but the chances of it not being are slim and none.

 

[Mash]

well I agree with all that, and norv turner is head and shoulders above Jason Garrett but I dont think making it more complicated would help any.

The reason it maybe so basic, if that is true is because the players cant grasp anymore. WHo knows. Romo is careless. I really dont have a problem with the first pick it was like a great punt, however it wasnt third down. The second int should never have happened. I wish he would stop trying to get 81 the ball so much. But again, maybe it is basic because the team cant handle more? Maybe it is limited to try and limit romos mistakes?

good post but I dont know if its because the players cant grasp it. Previous years their were more adjustments made and Romo handled it well. IF Garrett doesnt trust Romo then that says alot in it self.

I dont know but Im getting tired seeing Romo line up and wait till the last second to hike the ball.....sometimes I think Romo thinks he is Payton Manning. This offense seems to run better when its in a hurry. Instead...Romo waits...lets the defense get set....and then its a panic.

The OL isnt dominating enough to have such a vanilla scheme. The running game has struggled and even when its 3rd and 1....we all know that we cant count on the OL to get us that yard.

Thats why we need to scheme better....sure we may have some talented players....but when a cover 2 defense causes this much problems all year long...then something has to be done. IMHO Garrett just ignores that....he lets the defense dictate.......

 

[Givincer]

I would like to believe that too, its just wade phillips is entirely the wrong guy and in turn another change is going to have to be made.

And I hope it is not a retread or some coach who caters to jerry.

but the chances of it not being are slim and none.

Eh, the only head coach I'd be willing to have this coaching staff blown up for is Belichick, and that's obviously not happening.

Phillips is a good head coach, and I'm glad he's our head coach. Hearing Jerry basically say Wade is staying another year took a lot of the pain out of the loss this week for me.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Eh, the only head coach I'd be willing to have this coaching staff blown up for is Belichick, and that's obviously not happening.

Phillips is a good head coach, and I'm glad he's our head coach. Hearing Jerry basically say Wade is staying another year took a lot of the pain out of the loss this week for me.

So you are looking foreward to more of the same next season?
I hate that we can't keep a HC but I also hate keeping one for the sake of keeping one.

JJ needs to simply get the right guy to stay with.

 

[Givincer]

So you are looking foreward to more of the same next season?
I hate that we can't keep a HC but I also hate keeping one for the sake of keeping one.

Hardly are you "keeping one for the sake of keeping one" when he's 22-10...

 

[bbgun]

We'll have 500 threads about Wade being gone, may as well sticky the one where Jones says Wade will be the HC next yr. FWST and Matt Mosley both have quotes from Jerry saying Wade will not be fired and he doesnt blame him for this disgrace of a season.

I'm not sure what I think about it. Until those last two awful defensive plays he had fixed the defense, yet we still have way too many penalties and missed tackles. He's the HC, thats on him.

Then there's Romo saying it took them 3 quarters to figure out the Baltimore defense and what player was playing a particular position. What the hell man, was 14 games of tape not enough help? Thats on Wade and Garrett too, as it seems to confirm what I have suspected on Romo now for awhile, that he does a poor job of preparing for games.

Anyway, those looking for a new HC are going to be sorely disappointed it appears.

Gotta defend Jerrry, here. I mean, if something's working so well, why change it?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Hardly are you "keeping one for the sake of keeping one" when he's 22-10...

Yup from 13-3 just a season ago.

 

[Givincer]

Yup from 13-3 just a season ago.

?

Were you trying to make my point?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Jerry isn't about to sell Wade down the river with the possibility of the playoffs still looming.

Put it this way: at the same point of the 2002 season, Dallas bumbling along at 5-10, Jerry told us all Dave Campo's job was safe. The next week, Jones is holding "secret" meetings on a runway with Bill Parcells.

Par for the course.

Exactly what I was thinking, scott.

It's a tough situation. We all know Jerry planned to promote Garrett, but lately he can't coach his way out of a paper bag IMO. I haven't been really, truly, frustrated with him until last night. So do you promote someone whose arrow is pointing down, as Jerry would say?

And like I've said before, it's okay to fire Wade if you're sure you have a clear upgrade in mind. But change for the sake of change just delays progress. And I don't buy the stadium angle -- IMO fans want wins and don't care who the coach is, unless you're talking a Campo-to-Parcells kind of situation. And most of the tickets for next year are already sold, right? If they aren't, it's far more on the economy than who the head coach is.

And on the Sparano thing... In fairness, IIRC several of those coaches like Dehaven and Lee took other jobs when Parcells was taking two weeks to make up his mind on retirement, and they couldn't wait any longer before they had to ensure themselves of employment for the upcoming year.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

?

Were you trying to make my point?

Yup, he starts strong and finishes weak and unemployed as a HC.
same ole same ole for Wade.

 

[wileedog]

Ah, very good point. He definitely could've promoted Sporano.

I'm speaking of making a decision going forward though. Canning Phillips now because of a decision made in 2007 doesn't make much sense. I was saying, for the sake of continuity going forward, Phillips must stay.

Keeping a historically and demonstrably bad HC for the sake of "continuity" is beyond moronic.

This is a team that week in and week out is under-prepared, undisciplined, often fails at basic fundamentals like tackling, and has an absolute penchant for critical mistakes at critical moments.

You can put some of that on the players - but when the HC has hired assistants who need to be 'benched' mid -season, when he runs notoriously easy camps, no contact practices and holds absolutely no one accountable for anything, then the buck stops at the top. Wade clearly is expecting this team to 'self-motivate', and this team is just as clearly not the self-motivating type. Not realizing that or being able to adjust is a fatal flaw for Wade's job - just as it hindered Parcells here.

Sorry, another year of Wade is another year just like this one - a highly talented team that can give away any given game on any given Sunday to any given team because they are largely allowed to slide by on their talent alone, and will face no consequence if they fail at their job. I'm not particularly interested in that type of 'continuity'.

 

[alancdc]

well if John Madden said it last night, who could argue.

I guess you.

 

[Rogerthat12]

He is a joke because the team had a hard time recognizing who was dropping and who was rushing? Really?

That is interesting as are many things I am reading this morning. This, just like the pittsburgh game was a difficult challenge for the offense.

Jason witten described the ravens defense wednesday as 2 lineman and 7 guys walking around. So with no previous familiarity it was to be expected that the offense would struggle.

And last time I checked The ravens confuse and frustrate nearly every team they play on defense. And in the end we scored more on them than they usually give up.

We missed a few plays early and then in the second half the defense just didnt play well, couple that with an unforgiveable fake fg run and you lose the game.

People calling out romo for a poor first half is fine. Just make sure you understand why he struggled, along with his teammates.

This is not the only game Romo has struggled in a similar way.

The December swoon time frame is the same, the big games are the same, the poor decisions are the same.

Is he alone, of course not but it starts with the QB always.

You can still like Romo as QB and admit with honesty that he is not ready as of YET (operative word) to be the December and Play Off winning QB we desire and need.

Romo was confused, buckled under pressure most of the game, he was inaccurate and was clearly out of sink with his Wr's.

We all know Romo can not block or run routes ect..but we also know that Romo does often make poor throws and bad decisions thus far in big games.

Come out of denial and admit, its ok, that he has more work to do with regard to becoming a championship QB.

Other issues are related to Wade and Garrett to be sure but Romo does and should take some blame for his December collapses, it is ok to admit that and the fact that Romo needs to mature to this level.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

good.