Mike’s last season scenarios

[75boyz]

Just wondering what would have to happen for Jerrah to realize what Packer fans already knew about MM, and let him go after one season. MM totally conned Jerry...Urban Meyer should be leading us right now. What would have to happen for MM to get one year? Because I’m in favorite of it.

Very ballsy OP bro. Cheers to you bud. Again, I wanted to dream of a make me believe again offseason in which there was genuine culture change and not the proverbial safe hire at HC. It's like once Rivera was taken (who I didn't want but considered an upgrade over MM) it was like the taking of the tallest midgets in the room. He was the only one left if they didn't take Meyer.

Meyer would have "required" full control to accept the job I think. MM is more concerned with a personal vendetta to restore a tarnished image of riding the coat tails of a HOF QB to his success and would have conceded whatever it took in order to prove the naysayers(like me) wrong.

My advice is to Re visit this same topic around Thanksgiving and you might get more takers.

I'm there already though.

Go Cowboys

 

[EJK24]

no green koolaid for me.

I need to see wins, or Mikes gotta go.

he’s made at least two critical mistakes...

1) forcing Jerry to fire Colombo and hiring Philbin to be the OL coach.

the OL is completely jacked right now.

2) hiring his old buddy Nolan to be the DC.

Just to touch on one point, when you say he forced Jerry to fire Columbo and bring in Philbin, would you rather him have kept Columbo and have everyone say that Jerry is calling the shots and forcing assistants on his new coach?

My point is, most of us think Jerry meddles too much and we hate that he gets involved in things he shouldn't, but we can't say Jerry is calling all the shots and he forced us to keep Moore but then say MM forced Jerry to let Columbo go.

I'm no fan of Jerry's antics that we often hear about but we can't blame Jerry for letting Columbo go AND them keeping Moore. If MM is getting blame/praise for staff decisions, it needs to stay that way. Cant cherry pick what suits the argument.

(Edit: Not saying your wrong on Philbin or Nolan. Neither has done anything yet and we are one game in. Just trying to throw it out there that it's MM or Jerry when it comes to blame OR praise for assistants, not one for blame and one for praise depending on our argument.)

 

[75boyz]

Just to touch on one point, when you say he forced Jerry to fire Columbo and bring in Philbin, would you rather him have kept Columbo and have everyone say that Jerry is calling the shots and forcing assistants on his new coach?

My point is, most of us think Jerry meddles too much and we hate that he gets involved in things he shouldn't, but we can't say Jerry is calling all the shots and he forced us to keep Moore but then say MM forced Jerry to let Columbo go.

I'm no fan of Jerry's antics that we often hear about but we can't blame Jerry for letting Columbo go AND them keeping Moore. If MM is getting blame/praise for staff decisions, it needs to stay that way. Cant cherry pick what suits the argument.

(Edit: Not saying your wrong on Philbin or Nolan. Neither has done anything yet and we are one game in. Just trying to throw it out there that it's MM or Jerry when it comes to blame OR praise for assistants, not one for blame and one for praise depending on our argument.)

I can definitely see your perspective mentioned in your last paragraph as cherry picking the staff and whose call was it to make.
My perspective is that MMs hiring interview/process included the conditions of keeping Moore along with Dak in order to receive the job offer.
Diehardblues shares this opinion as well. CouchCoach has offered up a reasonable explanation in saying MM had the final say in keeping Moore onboard as Moore was being offered the OC job for the Univ. Of WA at the same time MM was being hired.
And it was MM who kept him for continuity reasons for Dak as a follow on explanation.

I still think Puppet Master Jerry is keeping Moore around as his next coach in training part II.
Although this is what you described as cherry picking to fit an argument in staff selection, this is just my opinion on how it played out.



Go Cowboys

 

[EJK24]

I can definitely see your perspective mentioned in your last paragraph as cherry picking the staff and whose call was it to make.
My perspective is that MMs hiring interview/process included the conditions of keeping Moore along with Dak in order to receive the job offer.
Diehardblues shares this opinion as well. CouchCoach has offered up a reasonable explanation in saying MM had the final say in keeping Moore onboard as Moore was being offered the OC job for the Univ. Of WA at the same time MM was being hired.
And it was MM who kept him for continuity reasons for Dak as a follow on explanation.

I still think Puppet Master Jerry is keeping Moore around as his next coach in training part II.
Although this is what you described as cherry picking to fit an argument in staff selection, this is just my opinion on how it played out.



Go Cowboys

I can see all these angles being in play as well.

I think MM getting the job definitely came with the condition that Dak is the QB and Moore stays with him, essentially trying to keep continuity or keeping the qb happy, depending on how you want to view it.

You and @Diehardblues have very believable views but I could easily see @CouchCoach and his side having a very real possibility as well.

All good points.

Thanks for the sensible, thought out, reply.

 

[BlueStar22]

Just wondering what would have to happen for Jerrah to realize what Packer fans already knew about MM, and let him go after one season. MM totally conned Jerry...Urban Meyer should be leading us right now. What would have to happen for MM to get one year? Because I’m in favorite of it.

Yall are freaking insane...

 

[MWH1967]

I just wish some of the Zoners could suit up...16-0 baby!!

 

[75boyz]

I can see all these angles being in play as well.

I think MM getting the job definitely came with the condition that Dak is the QB and Moore stays with him, essentially trying to keep continuity or keeping the qb happy, depending on how you want to view it.

You and @Diehardblues have very believable views but I could easily see @CouchCoach and his side having a very real possibility as well.

All good points.

Thanks for the sensible, thought out, reply.

You mean a classy exchange of opinions where there might have even been a difference in perspectives?
That still exists?
I mean, even here?

Sarcasm on.

Appreciate ya bro

Go Cowboys

 

[GORICO]

After one game?

stash--i was thinking exact same thing...but if it looks same against Atlanta then i agree..go full on Hate mode

 

[eromeopolk]

Just wondering what would have to happen for Jerrah to realize what Packer fans already knew about MM, and let him go after one season. MM totally conned Jerry...Urban Meyer should be leading us right now. What would have to happen for MM to get one year? Because I’m in favorite of it.

The only thing that would save the Cowboys is an URBAN RENEWAL...


Jerry grabbed Switzer out the OK Indian Casino, Jason Garrett was unemployed as Saban was not bringing him to Bama, and the big M&M was brought out from his snowed in garage in Wisconsin.

Urban Meyer is the Jimmy Johnson of the 21st century so he will never be the answer for what the Cowboys need as long as Jerry is the still the President, GM, and defacto Head Coach.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

He’ll be here three years at least just based on the contract he got.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Just wondering what would have to happen for Jerrah to realize what Packer fans already knew about MM, and let him go after one season. MM totally conned Jerry...Urban Meyer should be leading us right now. What would have to happen for MM to get one year? Because I’m in favorite of it.

If MM sucks like Garrett, all we can hope is that he doesn't make us wait 10 years.

 

[75boyz]

The only thing that would save the Cowboys is an URBAN RENEWAL...


Jerry grabbed Switzer out the OK Indian Casino, Jason Garrett was unemployed as Saban was not bringing him to Bama, and the big M&M was brought out from his snowed in garage in Wisconsin.

Urban Meyer is the Jimmy Johnson of the 21st century so he will never be the answer for what the Cowboys need as long as Jerry is the still the President, GM, and defacto Head Coach.

Outstanding post bro. Not ashamed to be in the minority and say I fully endorse your opinion here.

 

[Redball Express]

i could see Edwards taking over the DC role at mid season, just like the OL coach change to Colombo a few seasons ago.

OL is a problem.

we don’t have anyone like Colombo to take over for Philbin.

Gonna be a rough month or two if this continues.

Big Mike gets at least two seasons, unless we completely implode.

At this point..

regardless of how the team does in McCarthy's first year..

he HAS to assess Dak as the future or not.

If nothing is decided about any other phase of the team..

Jerrah and Stephen MUST make a decision on who they want.

Is it Dak and $40mil/yr + or..

is it Dalton and look for a permanent QB via FA or the draft.

Until this is decided..

the rest is on the back burner for now as important as all the rest is.

And to me..the only way to do that is for McCarthy to wear the headset and call the plays.

Not filtered thru Moore.

Moore can relay what McCarthy wants called to the huddle.

Reverse the roles b/w McCarthy and Moore.

The HC has to make a decision.

Just get on with it McCarthy.

 

[jblaze2004]

we could go 2-14 and Jerry will not fire MM.

 

[75boyz]

At this point..

regardless of how the team does in McCarthy's first year..

he HAS to assess Dak as the future or not.

If nothing is decided about any other phase of the team..

Jerrah and Stephen MUST make a decision on who they want.

Is it Dak and $40mil/yr + or..

is it Dalton and look for a permanent QB via FA or the draft.

Until this is decided..

the rest is on the back burner for now as important as all the rest is.

And to me..the only way to do that is for McCarthy to wear the headset and call the plays.

Not filtered thru Moore.

Moore can relay what McCarthy wants called to the huddle.

Reverse the roles b/w McCarthy and Moore.

The HC has to make a decision.

Just get on with it McCarthy.

Really good description of "how things are supposed to be" post. I'm growing impatient waiting on this HC too. Yes, I know it's only been one game.

This win now squad's window of opportunity and room for error is beyond razor thin at this point.

There's always hope though, just ask the Joneses, lol

Go Cowboys

 

[Redball Express]

Very ballsy OP bro. Cheers to you bud. Again, I wanted to dream of a make me believe again offseason in which there was genuine culture change and not the proverbial safe hire at HC. It's like once Rivera was taken (who I didn't want but considered an upgrade over MM) it was like the taking of the tallest midgets in the room. He was the only one left if they didn't take Meyer.

Meyer would have "required" full control to accept the job I think. MM is more concerned with a personal vendetta to restore a tarnished image of riding the coat tails of a HOF QB to his success and would have conceded whatever it took in order to prove the naysayers(like me) wrong.

My advice is to Re visit this same topic around Thanksgiving and you might get more takers.

I'm there already though.

Go Cowboys

Yes.

I agree about the McCarthy hire.

I have been chipping away at him since that disastrous Blue/White scrimmage..

and before that when he said one thing about being the playcaller and then turning around and bringing back Moore to call plays.

I could not understand the lack of conviction to back out of calling the plays.

And I never have heard how McCarthy faired on getting those rookies he was protecting by removing jersey identifications at the Blue/White?

He never has told us if his brainstorm worked... was it a fail?

He seems to like smokescreens. That's for sure.

 

[Diehardblues]

The only way I could see him firing him in 1st year would be a total collapse like in 2010.

But expectations were so high this year that anything below .500 without losing Dak or half of our stars on offense to injury could spark a move.

 

[75boyz]

Yes.

I agree about the McCarthy hire.

I have been chipping away at him since that disastrous Blue/White scrimmage..

and before that when he said one thing about being the playcaller and then turning around and bringing back Moore to call plays.

I could not understand the lack of conviction to back out of calling the plays.

And I never have heard how McCarthy faired on getting those rookies he was protecting by removing jersey identifications at the Blue/White?

He never has told us if his brainstorm worked... was it a fail?

He seems to like smokescreens. That's for sure.

Totally with ya Red. Don't care about all the different explanations on why he isn't calling plays.
That's the main part of my argument as well and haven't understood it since his hiring either.

Yeah, although he seems to have displayed some secretive type behavior with the team that Garrett kept open to public access, the team's performance in game one looked no better than Garrett. I hear ya man.

Nice post.

Go Cowboys

 

[Redball Express]

The only way I could see him firing him in 1st year would be a total collapse like in 2010.

But expectations were so high this year that anything below .500 without losing Dak or half of our stars on offense to injury could spark a move.

I may be dreaming..

but wasn't Big Mike hired on the belief he was a better than average "QB Whisperer" having developed Farve and Rodgers?

He was intentionally hired to answer whether or not Dak is the QB to go forward with and be deserving of a record deal?

Of course winning a SB trophy is another goal but Dak has to be decided on before any SB happens.

So if that's true..

settling that issue is McCarthy's chief obligation to the Franchise and down the line..

for the fans.

No?

Not trying to confuse anybody.

Just trying to qualify what is supposed to be expected of 2020.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

It's been 1 game!!!

And add the fact with no offseason, OTAs, mini camp or preseason