Mike Ditka is a moron

[MetalHead]

Just saw him in NFL Countdown saying that if TO didn't drop so many passes Bill would be on his way to Miami.
Ditka you idiot,YOU picked the Saints to go all the way,remember?I do.TO could have caught 150 passes and still they would have lost thank to the defense,Bill's defense.
Ri-*****-diculous.

 

[TheProphet]

Just saw him in NFL Countdown saying that if TO didn't drop so many passes Bill would be on his way to Miami.
Ditka you idiot,YOU picked the Saints to go all the way,remember?I do.TO could have caught 150 passes and still they would have lost thank to the defense,Bill's defense.
Ri-diculous.

You're obviously a TO fan. Actually, Dikta has a point...TO did drop too many passes. A compelling argument can be made some of those drops cost us a few wins. Oh, and the Saints were one game away from playing for it all next week. Not a bad call, considering they were 3-13 last season.
TO is an idiot. Let's hope the new coach tosses him to the curb. We don't need this team cancer.

 

[MetalHead]

You're obviously a TO fan. Actually, Dikta has a point...TO did drop too many passes. A compelling argument can be made some of those drops cost us a few wins. Oh, and the Saints were one game away from winning it all.
TO is an idiot. Let's hope the new coach tosses him to the curb. We don't need this team cancer.

This team didn't lose because of TO.
I'll give you the Washington game.That was on TO.
They lost because Bill's 3-4(his groceries,you know) could not make a stop to save its live and his refusal to adjust.
Remember what Zimmer said about flexibility?
When the opposing team went 3 wides and Bill stayed with his standard 3-4?
Remember that?
How about the pass rush,and having your best pass rusher covering WRs???
Think about it.
Bill is not going to Miami because of Bill,not because TO dropped passes.

 

[jazzcat22]

No one can say TO's drops actually cost us wins. But I can see why it is said. He had 2 drops that most likely cost us 2 wins, because that would have put us further ahead, or within one score. He had maybe 5 drops that would have been big plays to turn the game in a better direction for us.

But ultimately it was the Defense that let us down.

I don't have the games taped or tivo, but it would be interesting to see what happened on the play(s) after his drops. Did we punt, FG, still get a 1st down. Go on to score on that drive.

Any one out there that could do this. Or could look at a play by play chart.

 

[Ashwynn]

el dorado did not lose us many games, and he sure as heck did not help win us many games either. Low impact, high maintenence = Not worth the trouble.

 

[TheProphet]

The Prophet did not say TO costs us wins, he said a "compelling" argument can be made that he did. No one can deny TO is a huge distraction and that his untimely drops did hurt us. Besides, your post was about Ditka being an idiot...The Prophet says Ditka is partially correct.
A lousy defense and a team that seemed to be mistake ridden to often, costs us the seaon.
As for The Prophet, I'm glad BP is gone. He was middling at best and his teams failed miserably deep into the season.

 

[MetalHead]

el dorado did not lose us many games, and he sure as heck did not help win us many games either. Low impact, high maintenence = Not worth the trouble.

Fair enough.
My point on the matter is that the defense was the main culprit,not Eldorado.

 

[TheProphet]

Fair enough.
My point on the matter is that the defense was the main culprit,not Eldorado.

Actually your point was Ditka "is an idiot".
My point is Ditka is probably more right than wrong on both TO and the Saints. Yes our D did us in, along with a mistake ridden team, and the drops/distractions of your beloved TO.

 

[stealth]

Fair enough.
My point on the matter is that the defense was the main culprit,not Eldorado.

you wear your anti-bill crap on your sleeve, he is gone stop blaming him. Its not his defense its the way the players excecuted the defense or didn't excecute as it were. If they picked up the right assignments then we woulda been a ton better. The fact is we were a top 5 defense for half the year then the guys got sloppy and tailed off. Perhaps believing their own hype caught up to them, but putting it on bill is ridiculous. I suppose zimmer was responsible for the earlier in the year greatness and bill for the late year collapse huh? Agenda driven troll is all you are, the thing is bill is gone so quit about it already.

 

[Kilyin]

el dorado did not lose us many games, and he sure as heck did not help win us many games either. Low impact, high maintenence = Not worth the trouble.

Yeah, those 1180 yards receiving, 62 first downs, and 13 TDs didn't help us at all.

 

[MetalHead]

Actually your point was Ditka "is an idiot".
My point is Ditka is probably more right then wrong on both TO and the Saints. Yes our D did us end, along with a mistake ridden team, and the drops/distractions of your beloved TO.

 

[MetalHead]

you wear your anti-bill crap on your sleeve, he is gone stop blaming him. Its not his defense its the way the players excecuted the defense or didn't excecute as it were. If they picked up the right assignments then we woulda been a ton better. The fact is we were a top 5 defense for half the year then the guys got sloppy and tailed off. Perhaps believing their own hype caught up to them, but putting it on bill is ridiculous. I suppose zimmer was responsible for the earlier in the year greatness and bill for the late year collapse huh? Agenda driven troll is all you are, the thing is bill is gone so quit about it already.

I showed facts.
It's your decision to view them for what they are.
I'm not anti-bill.
I'm anti-bad coaching.
The team play it's a direct reflection of how it is coached and how much faith it has on the coach.
Learn it ,live it,love it.
Bill just happened to be the coach at the time.

 

[TheProphet]

LOL...thanks for correcting me my friend.

 

[Richmond Cowboy]

This team didn't lose because of TO.
I'll give you the Washington game.That was on TO.
They lost because Bill's 3-4(his groceries,you know) could not make a stop to save its live and his refusal to adjust.
Remember what Zimmer said about flexibility?
When the opposing team went 3 wides and Bill stayed with his standard 3-4?
Remember that?
How about the pass rush,and having your best pass rusher covering WRs???
Think about it.
Bill is not going to Miami because of Bill,not because TO dropped passes.

Just for the sake of argument:

TO catches the ball that went through his hands vs Washington, we win
That gives us one more divisional win and we likely win the division
We don't go in as the lowest seed and likely have a home playoff game
And so on and so forth

I like that scenario better than going in to rainy (& wet...) Seattle as the last seed

 

[MetalHead]

Actually your point was Ditka "is an idiot".
My point is Ditka is probably more right than wrong on both TO and the Saints. Yes our D did us in, along with a mistake ridden team, and the drops/distractions of your beloved TO.

I haven't changed my mind about his idiocy and his ridiculous statement.
In the end,it was the defense that did us in.

 

[stealth]

I showed facts.
It's your decision to view them for what they are.
I'm not anti-bill.
I'm anti-bad coaching.
The team play it's a direct reflection of how it is coached and how much faith it has on the coach.
Learn it ,live it,love it.
Bill just happened to be the coach at the time.

you didn't post facts you posted an opinion that it was bills fault the defense fell off late in the season. Thats an opinion since you seem confused. It is not a direct reflection of anything you said, those things do matter but your reaching to say you know thats the issue. The fact is the defense played lights out earlier in the year, then tanked. The argument could be made that earlier in the season the execution was superior to late and as such play went down hill. You want to point the finger at bill, while I point the finger directly at the underacheiving players. I would say the on the field performances would dictate I am pointing at the right people while you just hope that your finger is in the right general direction; Cause if it isn't we may be in worse shape than you want to believe.
objectivity is the difference between your opinion and mine.

 

[zrinkill]

Mike Ditka is a moron.

well yeah ....

 

[MetalHead]

Just for the sake of argument:

TO catches the ball that went through his hands vs Washington, we win
That gives us one more divisional win and we likely win the division
We don't go in as the lowest seed and likely have a home playoff game
And so on and so forth

I like that scenario better than going in to rainy (& wet...) Seattle as the last seed

That possible win at WAS would have been for nothing because we lost to Philly and Detroit at home back to back meaning 5th seed in the playofs regardless.
NYG had the last seed.

 

[MetalHead]

you didn't post facts you posted an opinion that it was bills fault the defense fell off late in the season. Thats an opinion since you seem confused. It is not a direct reflection of anything you said, those things do matter but your reaching to say you know thats the issue. The fact is the defense played lights out earlier in the year, then tanked. The argument could be made that earlier in the season the execution was superior to late and as such play went down hill. You want to point the finger at bill, while I point the finger directly at the underacheiving players. I would say the on the field performances would dictate I am pointing at the right people while you just hope that your finger is in the right general direction; Cause if it isn't we may be in worse shape than you want to believe.
objectivity is the difference between your opinion and mine.

Again,the team play is a direct reflection of the way it is coached.
It is not my fault that you fail to understand that.
Coach must put players in position to succeed,not in position to fail(Roy Williams,was he that bad,or did he just quit?).
Coach must utilize players' best talents on the field(Ware covering WR's.Our best pass rusher in a pass rush starved team...even Madden disputed that strategy).
Coach must find the other team's weaknesses and exploit the mismatches(Seattle's secondary,anybody?)
Coach must make adjustments(base 3-4 when the other team lines up 3 wides=we got lit up)
Coach must have the team ready to play(Detroit game,Philly at DAL).
Are these facts or mere figments of my imagination.
Did I make all that up?

 

[stealth]

Again,the team play is a direct reflection of the way it is coached.
It is not my fault that you fail to understand that.
Coach must put players in position to succeed,not in position to fail(Roy Williams,was he that bad,or did he just quit?).
Coach must utilize players' best talents on the field(Ware covering WR's.Our best pass rusher in a pass rush starved team...even Madden disputed that strategy).
Coach must find the other team's weaknesses and exploit the mismatches(Seattle's secondary,anybody?)
Coach must make adjustments(base 3-4 when the other team lines up 3 wides=we got lit up)
Coach must have the team ready to play(Detroit game,Philly at DAL).
Are these facts or mere figments of my imagination.
Did I make all that up?

we would have won the seattle game and the game plan was just fine.
You blaming bill on the collapse in philly only shows your predjucices.
Ware was to become an all around LB and they do cover from time to time, you wanting a merriman clone doesn't make it the right thing to have done.
You fail to understand that all the coaching and game planning in the world does no good if come sunday the players don't stick to what they were coached to do.
What was roy supposed to do differently in your opinion? he should been close to the line and left the back field for watkins to hold on his own?
I am not gonna respond in here again, from day one I have thought you were a troll and I don't argue with trolls. have a nice delusional day.