Mike Ditka is a moron

[MetalHead]

we would have won the seattle game and the game plan was just fine.
You blaming bill on the collapse in philly only shows your predjucices.
Ware was to become an all around LB and they do cover from time to time, you wanting a merriman clone doesn't make it the right thing to have done.
You fail to understand that all the coaching and game planning in the world does no good if come sunday the players don't stick to what they were coached to do.
What was roy supposed to do differently in your opinion? he should been close to the line and left the back field for watkins to hold on his own?
I am not gonna respond in here again, from day one I have thought you were a troll and I don't argue with trolls. have a nice delusional day.

My man,you can go and play blind man and walk the earth.
I'm keeping my eyes open...

 

[cml750]

Again,the team play is a direct reflection of the way it is coached.
It is not my fault that you fail to understand that.
Coach must put players in position to succeed,not in position to fail(Roy Williams,was he that bad,or did he just quit?).
Coach must utilize players' best talents on the field(Ware covering WR's.Our best pass rusher in a pass rush starved team...even Madden disputed that strategy).
Coach must find the other team's weaknesses and exploit the mismatches(Seattle's secondary,anybody?)
Coach must make adjustments(base 3-4 when the other team lines up 3 wides=we got lit up)
Coach must have the team ready to play(Detroit game,Philly at DAL).
Are these facts or mere figments of my imagination.
Did I make all that up?

I have to agree with you 100%. I just can't understand all the BP apologist. Anyone who thinks BP did a good job this year is either stupid or blind. BP tried to make the players fit his system instead of adapting the system to fit his players strengths.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

you didn't post facts you posted an opinion that it was bills fault the defense fell off late in the season. Thats an opinion since you seem confused. It is not a direct reflection of anything you said, those things do matter but your reaching to say you know thats the issue. The fact is the defense played lights out earlier in the year, then tanked. The argument could be made that earlier in the season the execution was superior to late and as such play went down hill. You want to point the finger at bill, while I point the finger directly at the underachieving players. I would say the on the field performances would dictate I am pointing at the right people while you just hope that your finger is in the right general direction; Cause if it isn't we may be in worse shape than you want to believe.
objectivity is the difference between your opinion and mine.

Blaming the players fits no agenda. Why blame the actual under achievers when you can point to a coach. The same defense that gave the Colts their first loss of the season is the same defense that decided it could play half speed and coast on hype. maybe a few injuries helped but in the end the players slacked off.
If Parcells jumped up and down screaming it would have played better.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I have to agree with you 100%. I just can't understand all the BP apologist. Anyone who thinks BP did a good job this year is either stupid or blind. BP tried to make the players fit his system instead of adapting the system to fit his players strengths.

So it only didn't work less than half the time? The same players were playing the same system all season. They didn't suck all season. In fact they were pretty good most of the season. Who's stupid?

 

[cml750]

So it only didn't work less than half the time? The same players were playing the same system all season. They didn't suck all season. In fact they were pretty good most of the season. Who's stupid?

If it is all on the players and they just quit in December, then no coach will ever help that. If anything I think BP's constant berating wore them down mentally by December. Four December meltdowns would seem to back this up. You can blame the players all you want but the roster has turned over significantly over the last four years yet we had the same results every December. I guess BP looked for players to draft that would give up by December. I'm sorry but the blame lies at the top.

 

[Frozen700]

mike ditka is a ***..i hate him n Tom Jackson

 

[Dave_in-NC]

If it is all on the players and they just quit in December, then no coach will ever help that. If anything I think BP's constant berating wore them down mentally by December. Four December meltdowns would seem to back this up. You can blame the players all you want but the roster has turned over significantly over the last four years yet we had the same results every December. I guess BP looked for players to draft that would give up by December. I'm sorry but the blame lies at the top.

Number one Parcells didn't berate them. If you can remember he was being criticized for being soft. Old players were calling him and asking if he was ok because he was overly calm. So you are incorrect. They didn't look lackadaisical against the Hawks, they just made the same errors as usual.

 

[Mansta54]

Yeah, those 1180 yards receiving, 62 first downs, and 13 TDs didn't help us at all.

:clap2: Why can't people see this. TO helped alot..

 

[cml750]

Number one Parcells didn't berate them. If you can remember he was being criticized for being soft. Old players were calling him and asking if he was ok because he was overly calm. So you are incorrect. They didn't look lackadaisical against the Hawks, they just made the same errors as usual.

Well God's gift to coaching, sure didn't do a very good job of correcting the errors they made. Using your logic, we should have cut the whole team and kept BP since they could not execute his absolutely perfect game plans. Please, BP has lost this team EVERY December he has been here. That is on the coach and not the players. Besides, who bought the groceries?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Well God's gift to coaching, sure didn't do a very good job of correcting the errors they made. Using your logic, we should have cut the whole team and kept BP since they could not execute his absolutely perfect game plans. Please, BP has lost this team EVERY December he has been here. That is on the coach and not the players. Besides, who bought the groceries?

Every coach since the great Jimster lost this team in December. It's a fact, go look it up. The game plans were not perfect, no coach implements the perfect plan. It does make a heap of difference if the players don't execute the game plan though.

 

[cml750]

Every coach since the great Jimster lost this team in December. It's a fact, go look it up. The game plans were not perfect, no coach implements the perfect plan. It does make a heap of difference if the players don't execute the game plan though.

Oh yea thats right, Jimmy's team fell apart in December and lost in the first round too didn't they. No, there is a difference in small slump and falling apart. Jimmy's team may have had a small hiccup in December but they rebounded quite nicely. Jimmy motivated the team and let his coordinators game plan and make game day changes to adjust to the opposition. BP was in control of everything and wasn't very good at adjusting either. Look you can defend BP till the cows come home but it will not change the fact that he is gone and it was his decision to leave. Maybe he realized that he doesn't have IT anymore. He was a great coach at one time but that was before he got to us. I think we will be better off in the long run. Peace!

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Oh yea thats right, Jimmy's team fell apart in December and lost in the first round too didn't they. No, there is a difference in small slump and falling apart. Jimmy's team may have had a small hiccup in December but they rebounded quite nicely. Jimmy motivated the team and let his coordinators game plan and make game day changes to adjust to the opposition. BP was in control of everything and wasn't very good at adjusting either. Look you can defend BP till the cows come home but it will not change the fact that he is gone and it was his decision to leave. Maybe he realized that he doesn't have IT anymore. He was a great coach at one time but that was before he got to us. I think we will be better off in the long run. Peace!

I did say every coach AFTER Jimmy.

 

[cml750]

I did say every coach AFTER Jimmy.

Sorry my mistake! But I don't think that we had any real coaches between Jimmy and BP! :

 

[Bleu Star]

I haven't changed my mind about his idiocy and his ridiculous statement.
In the end,it was the defense that did us in.

You are absolutely correct sir. By trying to prove a good point you created a TO hate thread. It's not your fault. They swarm like vultures.

 

[Bleu Star]

you didn't post facts you posted an opinion that it was bills fault the defense fell off late in the season. Thats an opinion since you seem confused. It is not a direct reflection of anything you said, those things do matter but your reaching to say you know thats the issue. The fact is the defense played lights out earlier in the year, then tanked. The argument could be made that earlier in the season the execution was superior to late and as such play went down hill. You want to point the finger at bill, while I point the finger directly at the underacheiving players. I would say the on the field performances would dictate I am pointing at the right people while you just hope that your finger is in the right general direction; Cause if it isn't we may be in worse shape than you want to believe.
objectivity is the difference between your opinion and mine.

The argument can be made that everything in this thread is an opinion. What was your point again?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Sorry my mistake! But I don't think that we had any real coaches between Jimmy and BP! :

No problem, good point.

 

[Bleu Star]

I have to agree with you 100%. I just can't understand all the BP apologist. Anyone who thinks BP did a good job this year is either stupid or blind. BP tried to make the players fit his system instead of adapting the system to fit his players strengths.

I'm glad he's hanging around to help Jerrah but thank god the 3 headed monster of Bill for HC, Bill for DC, and Bill for OC will no longer be roaming our sidelines.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

You are absolutely correct sir. By trying to prove a good point you created a TO hate thread. It's not your fault. They swarm like vultures.

Did you notice how everbody but you let the TO comment slide?

 

[Bleu Star]

Number one Parcells didn't berate them. If you can remember he was being criticized for being soft. Old players were calling him and asking if he was ok because he was overly calm. So you are incorrect. They didn't look lackadaisical against the Hawks, they just made the same errors as usual.

Thios only goes to prove the point that Bill has been coaching waaaay past his shelf life. Old players called to show concern because the Bill they knew that once willed them to wins by simply being himself was no longer in clear view. There's no better critic than former players that excelled in your system (years ago).

 

[Bleu Star]

Did you notice how everbody but you let the TO comment slide?

Why let it slide? It was part of the discussion. Therefore, my reply to it is a fair response to a slanted post (in support of Artie's point which I believe to have been well made).