Mike Fisher on the fan this morning said the media

[maxdallasfan]

Sorry, I may have mistaken your stance for someone else's. Apologize for that.

But my point is that Romo is not to blame for what happened last night, more than just about any other player, he did his part to help this team win.

But no quarterback, and no offense, can win with a defense that can't even force a single punt.

It's all good. These heated arguments are good therapy for us all!

Our major problem on O is the system. That's my opinion.

 

[noshame]

You're OL did a awesome job running the ball, they did a solid job pass blocking, you 've got a solid group of receivers, your Qb completes 11 passes for a buck. The other teams back-up QB has a career night. What's wrong with this picture? Romo? naw, can't be.

 

[Stash]

It's all good. These heated arguments are good therapy for us all!

Our major problem on O is the system. That's my opinion.

And I would not disagree with you. Garrett has had enough time and resources to do it his way and it hasn't worked. Time's up.

I think we're discussing bad and worse here.

 

[maxdallasfan]

And I would not disagree with you. Garrett has had enough time and resources to do it his way and it hasn't worked. Time's up.

I think we're discussing bad and worse here.

What really burns me is how other teams with way less talent at key positions on offense always seem to have guys wide open. For us, most of the time just getting a first down is extremely difficult.

Our WR's are rarely ever wide open. Heck, most of the time, they are getting hit as the ball is landing in their hands. Witten immediately gets mugged by 3 defenders 9 times out of 10 after catching the ball.

 

[rpntex]

I've seen many teams come back on O and get a quick, 80 yard drive in under 2 minutes to answer a score.

We come out and go a quick 3 and out, then the game gets out of hand and is over.

Nice rewrite of history. It wasn't a 3-and-out. Completion to Dez for a first down to start the drive.

Watch that throw to Murray again....I don't care whether he sits down in the flat or not he isn't catching that ball. Neither is Dez. I am not blaming Romo for the loss when the defense couldn't stop a lingerie football team (no offense to lingerie football, at least they tackle), but he was just as complicit as anyone, he stunk yesterday as was the rest of his team.

I disagree. Romo had no clue what Murray was doing. He was supposed to sit in the seam of the zone, obviously, but he kept drifting. Romo led him with the pass, and suddenly Murray DID stop. The ball looked uncatchable because he was trying to adjust to Murray's "adjustment".

Bottom line---they weren't on the same page on the play.

 

[Stash]

What really burns me is how other teams with way less talent at key positions on offense always seem to have guys wide open. For us, most of the time just getting a first down is extremely difficult.

Our WR's are rarely ever wide open. Heck, most of the time, they are getting hit as the ball is landing in their hands. Witten immediately gets mugged by 3 defenders 9 times out of 10 after catching the ball.

And opponents apparent ability to fool the refs on every play defensively?

I mean they must have 12, 13, even 14 men on the field to be "doubling Dez Bryant", "doubling Jason Witten", and "stuffing the box" to shut down our running game, right?

It just amazes me how the refs keep missing it.

(Well, maybe not this year it doesn't...)

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Sounds like ole Jason is setting up the next scapegoat with his media pals.

 

[rpntex]

Why is anyone counting on Garrett being gone? I can't imagine that any of you actually believe he's going to fire Jason.

The dude isn't going anywhere. He'll be here again next year. I have no doubt about that.

Kiffin will be fired, and along with that we likely lose Rod (Whose probably going to join Lovie where ever he ends up) but I highly doubt that Garrett is touched.

Callahan will probably be canned as well.

The only one I see getting fired is Callahan. The offense has been more consistent in the running game since Garrett made the subtle "change" in the playcalling method. In short, I think it's pretty obvious that he took the duties back himself, as well he should. If he's in danger of getting fired, it needs to be for his decisions, and not for the ones that were forced upon him.

Kiffin will not be fired after only one year. The health situation on the defense is enough to mitigate any cause for his dismissal. Now he MAY retire, and that wouldn't surprise me. But fired---I'd bet good money against it. For the sake of discussion, though, let's say he does get canned. I think we lose Marinelli if that happens.

I still have faith in this scheme, but we have to have some QUALITY depth on the d-line and a good free safety to make any defense work. We've spent the majority of this season with the DL staffed by members of "Grocery Baggers Local #401".

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I like his stuff too and I miss it.

But I found the other site to be too sterilized and too much of a cheerleading party for my tastes. If there's one thing I have no tolerance for, it's censorship or controlling information. Right or wrong, that's what I felt was happening.

I think this team has serious issues and wishing them away or turning a blind eye to them isn't my idea of the answer.

I can understand that. I know that I personally haven't had anything censored and I'm not necassarily the most flattering person there when it comes to things like Jerry and our defense. But I can see where some people get that idea when they've been there.

 

[sideon]

When your offense scores 4TDs with no turnovers, they did their job. They can't score every single possession just because our opponents do...

Okay stop it, people want to make it seem like that Denver game was a true representation of the Cowboys when in fact it was just 1 game. You're trying to justify Romo's bad game by saying he scored 3 tds but fail to mention how bad he was in between those scoring drives, 2 of those tds came after the game was heading towards blowout but when it was close the entire offense couldn't move the ball. Fans like you are exactly why Romo gets criticized because if Romo throws for over 250 and 2 tds but throws the key interception ya'll just focus on the tds. Brady Brees & Manning motivate whereas Romo just goes with the flow, if the team plays great then he's great but if they suck then he goes in the crapper with them.

 

[TwoDeep3]

This was not on Romo.

He did throw a couple of bad passes last night, but considering the cold and the circumstance, he did what he could.

So Dez is elite?

Why could Megatron do the things he did without any help and crappy quarterbacks?

I think Dez is very good, but not elite. He has the physical tools, but I am not certain the problem isn't his head and ability to recognize, run precise routes, and know the game like Romo.

One of the best commentary last night came from Steve Young when he said Romo is a savant and has such an understanding he sees things that others don't and this puts him in a realm of understanding the slight nuances of the game, but doesn't align him with the rest of the offense in some cases.

Dez needs a stud receiver across from him and not Miles Austin. Back in the day when Witten was Superman he might have been the player to pull away the defense.

But for this team to succeed - and this so discounts the truth about how this team was built and who built it - they need a real stud across from Dez so you cannot put all your defensive eggs facing the Dez machine.

Romo needs time to throw. Romo needs tools that get open for him to throw. The running game set up the play action pretty well, but if you cannot protect the QB, and cannot get your best receiver open, then you get your butt smacked by 17 and it could have been 27 if the Bears wanted to.

 

[Coy]

With the players we have on Offense, this team should be dropping 35 to 40 points every game.

Denver's defense isn't good (they've given up 3 less points than us), but somehow they are 11-2.

Compare their skill players to ours on O, and explain to me why we only score 27 ppg and Denver scores 42 ppg.

Reason #1: System
Reason #2: QB

So now Romo has to be Payton??? Newsflash, He isn´t, he´s a darn good QB but Peyton he is not, I would say 27 ppg should be enough to win most games except it isn´t when you have one of the worst defenses in History. And I am not saying we are perfect, of course we are not, we could and should be putting up more ppg but this system is ridiculous.

The whole situation is a mess, starting with Jerry, he needs to fire one of the worst HC in the league IMO, get a new one and let him bring in his own staff. It may not happen but it should.

 

[Miller]

Here us my question. Your D is horrible. You know that. On your first drive you run Murray and he gets 52 yards. The day before we saw the Eagles comeback and win handily running McCoy for over 200 yards. So why didn't we keep doing it? Why did we throw so much despite being down 3 late first half and 17 early 2nd half? Doesn't make sense to me. Well it kind of does because it's Captain Process being out coached by a rookie HC with a backup QB but.....

 

[Stash]

I can understand that. I know that I personally haven't had anything censored and I'm not necassarily the most flattering person there when it comes to things like Jerry and our defense. But I can see where some people get that idea when they've been there.

No. I didn't mean to say that they censored anything there. I have no reason to believe that is the case.

But I just find an invitation only message board to be, in and of itself, censoring.

To each their own and I respect and miss many of those guys.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

With the players we have on Offense, this team should be dropping 35 to 40 points every game.

Denver's defense isn't good (they've given up 3 less points than us), but somehow they are 11-2.

Compare their skill players to ours on O, and explain to me why we only score 27 ppg and Denver scores 42 ppg.

Reason #1: System
Reason #2: QB

I agree with this, but reason #1 should be clueless coaching. Take last night for example, the run game is going and the only thing that can stop it is our own offense. Which is exactly what happened, Garrett couldn't stand not passing the ball, so he starts throwing,, a couple of incompletions and a sack, and there goes the momentum. Another difference is that Denver uses the entire field and all their players to accomplish what they need to on offense. Dallas passes are outside the hash marks, and the passing game goes through the TE. Denver puts its best players in position to succeed, Cowboys rarely moves its playmakers in motion.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Okay stop it, people want to make it seem like that Denver game was a true representation of the Cowboys when in fact it was just 1 game. You're trying to justify Romo's bad game by saying he scored 3 tds but fail to mention how bad he was in between those scoring drives, 2 of those tds came after the game was heading towards blowout but when it was close the entire offense couldn't move the ball. Fans like you are exactly why Romo gets criticized because if Romo throws for over 250 and 2 tds but throws the key interception ya'll just focus on the tds. Brady Brees & Manning motivate whereas Romo just goes with the flow, if the team plays great then he's great but if they suck then he goes in the crapper with them.

I think fans like to focus on wins and teams win games. Tom Brady won two AFC Championships and threw 3 INT's in both of them. Brady was awful in those games but he won. Can you explain that? Nobody focused on those INT's. In fact it's hardly known, but he did it. And when you mention Brady Brees and Manning in the same sentence, you're talking about generational players. Compare them to Staubach, AIkman, Montana, Elway, not Stafford, Romo, Flacco or Ryan, etc it apples to oranges. It's a disingenuous argument.

 

[FLcowboy]

look the whole thing needs to be flushed. This core of players just don't know how to play big when they need to. This isn't a revelation as its been going on for long time now. Dallas just needs a cultural change. I would bring in new hc. Draft QB for future now. Get Ware to restructure his contract. Make dedicated move in draft for trench players on DL & OL.

And how do you do this when the guy in charge hasn't a clue.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No. I didn't mean to say that they censored anything there. I have no reason to believe that is the case.

But I just find an invitation only message board to be, in and of itself, censoring.

To each their own and I respect and miss many of those guys.

Oh gotcha. I can understand that as well.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Okay stop it, people want to make it seem like that Denver game was a true representation of the Cowboys when in fact it was just 1 game. You're trying to justify Romo's bad game by saying he scored 3 tds but fail to mention how bad he was in between those scoring drives, 2 of those tds came after the game was heading towards blowout but when it was close the entire offense couldn't move the ball. Fans like you are exactly why Romo gets criticized because if Romo throws for over 250 and 2 tds but throws the key interception ya'll just focus on the tds. Brady Brees & Manning motivate whereas Romo just goes with the flow, if the team plays great then he's great but if they suck then he goes in the crapper with them.

Ummm Romo and the offense had it close until the end of the half when the defense completely melted down. As I recall it was 14-14 at one point and then only 17-14 until the defense blew it right at the end of the half.

Fans like you are why people don't take most people who do have legit complaints about Romo serious. Cause you spout off stupid garbage all the time.

 

[Gameover]

Is this a joke? When your offense rarely sees the field and you force the run all night, your QB who still manages to score 3 TDs ISN'T to blame. This loss is completely on the defense.

Murray gave us three TD.