Mike Lombardi on Roy Williams

[peplaw06]

Where do you see me saying that players never change their jersey number?

Uhhhh, you said ...

And players who are on top of their game don't change their jersey number.

Kobe is at the top of his game and the top of the NBA. He changed his number.

It has happened in the NFL before this. And not because someone on their new team has it or they want to be a different person. Can't remember who or when but I'd bet a fair amt of money it happened.

Trying to indict someone for changing jersey numbers is such a huge stretch, it's laughable. I can't believe you've stuck with it for more than one post.

 

[Seven]

You've lost your memory. I'll fill you in.

You're a professional football player. During one of Roy's gazillion blitzes last season, Roy hit you so hard that it put you in a coma. Thank goodness you're finally awake. You wouldn't believe the bashing Roy gets over his blitzing.

Dude. Thanks a ton. When I was out I envisioned myself in a dress, with a hog nose strapped on and strangely enough, people were calling me "Art".

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Roy Williams is overrated, I will continue to say it, I don't care if he's in a Cowboys uniform or not I call it like it is....

 

[burmafrd]

Roy Williams is a liability as regards our pass D. Fact.

Roy Williams has not been laying the wood or making game changing plays the last 2 years. Fact.

Now why this is happening has many possibilities from Roy just not wanting to put in the effort to the game changing in ways that put him in the worst possible position as regarding his skills.
And it is valid to point out that big hits now seem to get penalties and fines called on them vs kudo's in the past.

However it is happening the fact that it is is undeniable. Its now a matter of what can be done about it. Roy should be doing EVERYTHING he can to get better and assure his team that he is indeed leaving no stone unturned.
Missing OTA's, whinning to the media, scheduling events and vacations the same time as OTA's is NOT the way to do it.

 

[starfrombirth]

june 1 doesn't matter, so let it go.
he's still here, so let the whining go.
jones feels he's good enough to keep, let the whining go

it's not sympathy for roy as much as ourselves and a constant pummelling of this topic.

You're right. Jerry has never said anything before that he doesn't actually mean in order to keep team harmony and a peaceful public perception.

 

[starfrombirth]

You don't have to wait until June 1st to qualify a player as a Jun1 cut. You can qualify them as a Jun 1 cut beforehand and release the player while absorbing an acceleration of bonuses as if they were cut after Jun1. I don't know the dates for this but I think you could do it right now.



Well, the article is not dead on. Saying we blitzed Roy all the time to keep him out of level three is totally incorrect. We seldom blitzed RW last year. I will say I don't think Roy is blitzing as effectively as he used to. But I'm one who thinks his level of play has dropped off significantly all around.

But where I think some people are getting upset is the Roy sucks stuff, we need to cut him, he can't cover, teams are going after him all the time.

When you start using always and never you are setting yourself up as it is rarely true.

In fact RW is playing because no one on the team can beat him out. And they have gotten enough playing time to push him. No one does in all around play. I'm not entirely certain what that means beyond he plays better than Keith Davis and Watkins. But it does say that. So when people say we could have kept Keith Davis and cut RW, you are losing credibility.

The problem with RW is he has not gotten significantly better. He has gotten significantly worse. That's a problem. And he is doing things to aggravate fans and other players. Sure Ellis says some dumb things. But there was truth in what he said. His teammates are wondering what is going on with him. Why. Because they see the problem and it APPEARS they don't know if he is doing all he should do; in the least they wonder if he is distancing himself. Do I actually know that. Not for certain. But it APPEARS there is some llevel of truth in what he said.

And players who are on top of their game don't change their jersey number. That says reams. Sure you can write it off. But I think you're burying your head in the sand if you do.

So Roy does not suck, there isn't anyone here to take his place, and he needs to improve. There is not a lot to argue about with that statement. If you're fair.

In the timeline that the quote was being spoken, Roy was being blitzed often. Look at the timeline of the story. It talks from the past and is amazingly accurate about how qb's are attacking him now.

 

[Alexander]

I thought it was pretty interesting that an agent would call Lombardi or someone like him to get an opinion on a contract.

I believe at the time the contract was done, Lombardi was working with the Raiders.

This thread is a real riot, especially when you see a former NFL executive of 22 years discredited by Williams supporters because he happens to work as a member of the media now.

 

[superpunk]

I believe at the time the contract was done, Lombardi was working with the Raiders.

This thread is a real riot, especially when you see a former NFL executive of 22 years discredited by Williams supporters because he happens to work as a member of the media now.

When you're wrong, you're wrong - no matter what your credentials are. Those credentials were presented in the OP no doubt to give credence to his opinion. But his opinion seems to be based on nothing but what he's heard. Because if he actually watched Roy, there's no way he could come to the conclusion he came to.

This is a guy that was good enough at what he did to lose his job and become a member of the vaunted SI staff. Maybe it was because he evaluates players without watching them. That's not to say that Roy doesn't deserve criticism, but almost all of this particular criticism is flat out wrong. And so most definitely can Lombardi's qualifications be criticized in this instance. He's not immune from being wrong just because he worked for Al Davis for a few years.

 

[Alexander]

When you're wrong, you're wrong - no matter what your credentials are. Those credentials were presented in the OP no doubt to give credence to his opinion. But his opinion seems to be based on nothing but what he's heard. Because if he actually watched Roy, there's no way he could come to the conclusion he came to.

This is a guy that was good enough at what he did to lose his job and become a member of the vaunted SI staff. Maybe it was because he evaluates players without watching them. That's not to say that Roy doesn't deserve criticism, but almost all of this particular criticism is flat out wrong. And so most definitely can Lombardi's qualifications be criticized in this instance. He's not immune from being wrong just because he worked for Al Davis for a few years.

Nor is he "wrong" because you believe he "never watched Roy".

You are making some serious assumptions and its not passing the smell test.

This type of explanation might work if this were John Clayton who wrote the blog.

 

[Hoofbite]

Roy Williams...I have lost hope for this guy.

Lost hope for Roy but have all the hope in the world for Stanback or Mike Jefferson.....

 

[superpunk]

Nor is he "wrong" because you believe he "never watched Roy".

You are making some serious assumptions and its not passing the smell test.

This type of explanation might work if this were John Clayton who wrote the blog.

Hyperbole aside, large parts of his evaluation are incorrect. His resume does not make him infallible. If you watch Roy's game, and really know where he is deficient, then you know that Mr. Lombardi is way off with many of his notions.

Matt Millen GMs an NFL team.

 

[Vtwin]

Sniff

Sniff


Smells like smoke!

I'm sure it's just smoke though.

Dont worry.

There's no fire.

Really.

Just smoke....

 

[peplaw06]

Roy Williams is overrated, I will continue to say it, I don't care if he's in a Cowboys uniform or not I call it like it is....

I don't see how that's even possible. It's en vogue to bash him, how can he be overrated?

 

[Aliencowboy]

Hyperbole aside, large parts of his evaluation are incorrect. His resume does not make him infallible. If you watch Roy's game, and really know where he is deficient, then you know that Mr. Lombardi is way off with many of his notions.

Matt Millen GMs an NFL team.

Your pomposity and dogma about this topic is inimitable.

"large parts" and "infallible" - Most of the article is accurate there are small parts that could be interpreted as hyperbole such as "blitzing him all the time"
Giving up 5 tds and being a targeted his nothing to do with being almost perfect or pretty good. Roy is constantly being exploited by offenses as was Reeves, but at least Reeves was a 7th rounder and playing to about what he was being paid.

 

[theogt]

Your pomposity and dogma about this topic is inimitable.

"large parts" and "infallible" - Most of the article is accurate there are small parts that could be interpreted as hyperbole such as "blitzing him all the time"
Giving up 5 tds and being a targeted his nothing to do with being almost perfect or pretty good. Roy is constantly being exploited by offenses as was Reeves, but at least Reeves was a 7th rounder and playing to about what he was being paid.

Word of the day is irony.

 

[peplaw06]

Giving up 5 tds and being a targeted his nothing to do with being almost perfect or pretty good. Roy is constantly being exploited by offenses as was Reeves,but at least Reeves was a 7th rounder and playing to about what he was being paid.

After reading this about 8 times... I give up.

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[tomson75]

Word of the day is irony.

After reading this about 8 times... I give up.

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[Kilyin]

:roflcopter:

 

[AsthmaField]

After reading this about 8 times... I give up.

Well, he is an alien, afterall. I think he's doing quite well with our language.

So he's trying to impress us indigenous life forms with a few big words... what's the harm?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

no no no, theogt is NEVER right, just ask Bob Sacamano.

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