Mike Martz: Deep Dive Analysis of Dak's Ints This Year

[basel90]

So in your estimation there are 4 good QB's in the league? Nick Foles being one of them? 3 TB#12 is retired

No there are many who were better options than dak depending on which year you are refereing to.
Last 2 years dak is in the 14-16 ranking behind the top QBs like Mahomes, Brady ,Burrows, lawrence , Allen, Hurts, Rodgers, Herbert, Watson , Geno , jackson , Stafford, Garapolo, Cousins , Murray etc

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No they were not the best team to win a SB during these years . But, with a difference maker at QB anything is possible ( Heck Nick Foles pulled it off with the Eagles) .
Joe Burrows took an equally talented team to the cowboys to a few minutes away from a lombardi wiin,
Jalen Hurts almost won one for the Eagles last year
Dak just is not a big game performer , period.

Don't disagree with much. HE hasn't shown us to be that guy yet. But you do think he showed it against the Buccaneers, no?

Well I disagree on Hurts. Ultimately, his fumble for 6 cost his team the game.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No there are many who were better options than dak depending on which year you are refereing to.
Last 2 years dak is in the 14-16 ranking behind the top QBs like Mahomes, Brady ,Burrows, lawrence , Allen, Hurts, Rodgers, Herbert, Watson , Geno , jackson , Stafford, Garapolo, Cousins , Murray etc

how is he behind Geno who has been nothing but failure except a semi decent season last year?
How is he behind Cousins? who has accomplished much less with probably more?
How is he behind Murray who sucks and hasn't done squat?
how is he behind Watson who just got reinstated after two year absence and plain sucked last year.


nah, you don't have a biased. you are as objective as they come.!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

how is he behind Geno who has been nothing but failure except a semi decent season last year?
How is he behind Cousins? who has accomplished much less with probably more?
How is he behind Murray who sucks and hasn't done squat?
how is he behind Watson who just got reinstated after two year absence and plain sucked last year.


nah, you don't have a biased. you are as objective as they come.!

Man the list just goes larger and larger of guys who are "better" than Dak. Geno Smith is CRAZY to say......Garopolo, Stafford and Lamar get hurt and don't finish out the season...Watson flat out SUCKS now....but these guys are better somehow...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Man the list just goes larger and larger of guys who are "better" than Dak. Geno Smith is CRAZY to say......Garopolo, Stafford and Lamar get hurt and don't finish out the season...Watson flat out SUCKS now....but these guys are better somehow...

its result based, unless it defeats their argument, then its not results based and its eye test based

 

[basel90]

how is he behind Geno who has been nothing but failure except a semi decent season last year?
How is he behind Cousins? who has accomplished much less with probably more?
How is he behind Murray who sucks and hasn't done squat?
how is he behind Watson who just got reinstated after two year absence and plain sucked last year.


nah, you don't have a biased. you are as objective as they come.!

no GM will take dak over murray or watson , period. injury issues aside for Murray , he is a far better QB than dak. watson is on another planet from Dak.
Cousins had a better year and so did geno last year . Not talkiing about Geno before that because he was not given a chance.

 

[basel90]

Man the list just goes larger and larger of guys who are "better" than Dak. Geno Smith is CRAZY to say......Garopolo, Stafford and Lamar get hurt and don't finish out the season...Watson flat out SUCKS now....but these guys are better somehow...

injuries aside, all these are better QBs especially wiith the value teams would pay compared to dak, . Geno smith comparison based on last season as he only had a chance to play last year.

 

[basel90]

Don't disagree with much. HE hasn't shown us to be that guy yet. But you do think he showed it against the Buccaneers, no?

Well I disagree on Hurts. Ultimately, his fumble for 6 cost his team the game.

win against the bucs was great but these are far and few . He has to be consistent to get this team to the SB.
Jalen had a good year and threw 330 yards in the SB , but yes he made that fumble and it was costly.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

no GM will take dak over murray or watson , period. injury issues aside for Murray , he is a far better QB than dak. watson is on another planet from Dak.
Cousins had a better year and so did geno last year . Not talkiing about Geno before that because he was not given a chance.

how do you know? there are already plenty of rumors from AZ about their regrets in resigning Murray. that's only Bash Dak over Dallas crowd perception. zero reality to that.

Watson....plenty who wouldn't touch him. Plenty didn't. , unless desparate. didn't play for two years. cost a lot. and sucked. plain sucked last year and may never be the same again.

so you bash dak based on One year now...? Geno sucked, really sucked. was a bench warmer for yeeeaaaarrrss...and his season was half decent. now, he is all of a sudden a better player than Dak who despite all the things you say was clearly better than Geno. Geno wasn't given a chance...in fact he was given a chance. he proved he wasn't any good. and he wasn't given a chance, because he was bad.

and cousins@!? he is 1-3 in the playoffs. he lost in the first round last year. he wasn't better than Dak last year and in head to head got detroyed at home.

so it seems like you base your argument on last year's performance for Geno, and then in the same sentence, talk about cousins I guess based on his prior year performance.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

injuries aside, all these are better QBs especially wiith the value teams would pay compared to dak, . Geno smith comparison based on last season as he only had a chance to play last year.

I just haven't seen it. Geno's career has sucked....Cousins can't win in prime time......Garapolo is a backup now....Watson at his peak could be compared to Dak but he was terrible last year and its been years since he was good. Lamar is a MVP but its well known he's not much of a thrower but he can run the hell out of a football. Stafford has had 3 great careers out of his career which one resulted in him winning a SB despite leading the league in interceptions....I Don't know you can argue these are all the same caliber of player at their best....but some of these guys are years removed from being at their best.

 

[blueblood70]

No there are many who were better options than dak depending on which year you are refereing to.
Last 2 years dak is in the 14-16 ranking behind the top QBs like Mahomes, Brady ,Burrows, lawrence , Allen, Hurts, Rodgers, Herbert, Watson , Geno , jackson , Stafford, Garapolo, Cousins , Murray etc

no hes still top 10

go away troll

top 5 in qb wins since 2016 and hes 19-9 with b2b playoff appearances and playoff win the last 2 years, also has 60 Tds and 25ints 21-22.. right Daks been horrible thats a horrible win -loss record and td-int ratio sure has him falling OFF LMAO


your eyes and brain are both broken. show me all those records and payoff wins for just 21-22 for your list of qbs.. It wont hold up. Jones had 60tds and 34iNts Geno 64 tds in 9 years, (dak has 60 the last 2) for their entire careers LMAO..good try though..

 

[basel90]

how do you know? there are already plenty of rumors from AZ about their regrets in resigning Murray. that's only Bash Dak over Dallas crowd perception. zero reality to that.

Watson....plenty who wouldn't touch him. Plenty didn't. , unless desparate. didn't play for two years. cost a lot. and sucked. plain sucked last year and may never be the same again.

so you bash dak based on One year now...? Geno sucked, really sucked. was a bench warmer for yeeeaaaarrrss...and his season was half decent. now, he is all of a sudden a better player than Dak who despite all the things you say was clearly better than Geno. Geno wasn't given a chance...in fact he was given a chance. he proved he wasn't any good. and he wasn't given a chance, because he was bad.

and cousins@!? he is 1-3 in the playoffs. he lost in the first round last year. he wasn't better than Dak last year and in head to head got detroyed at home.

so it seems like you base your argument on last year's performance for Geno, and then in the same sentence, talk about cousins I guess based on his prior year performance.

these QBs are far superior than dak. I cannot believe you think dak is better than Watson . Aside from the personal issues , from a pure talent perspective , dak is not even in the same category. Same for Murray. Heck we saw dak vs murray in dallas before and the game was over by half time.
When you say what has geno done or when you say geno had one good year. The question is , what has dak done in 8 years?
Last 2 years was a great chance to showcase how he can take it to the next level , great WR and OL and RB and Defense. He threw 15 interceptions while missing the 5 games !!!. How is that a good QB.

 

[basel90]

no hes still top 10

go away troll

top 5 in qb wins since 2016 and hes 19-9 with b2b playoff appearances and playoff win the last 2 years, also has 60 Tds and 25ints 21-22.. right Daks been horrible thats a horrible win -loss record and td-int ratio sure has him falling OFF LMAO


your eyes and brain are both broken. show me all those records and payoff wins for just 21-22 for your list of qbs.. It wont hold up. Jones had 60tds and 34iNts Geno 64 tds in 9 years, (dak has 60 the last 2) for their entire careers LMAO..good try though..

you must be a dak slobberer and completely trolling anyone who criticizes dak. Dak managed to throw 15 interceptions while missing 5 game !!! enjoy your boy and your low football IQ

 

[basel90]

I just haven't seen it. Geno's career has sucked....Cousins can't win in prime time......Garapolo is a backup now....Watson at his peak could be compared to Dak but he was terrible last year and its been years since he was good. Lamar is a MVP but its well known he's not much of a thrower but he can run the hell out of a football. Stafford has had 3 great careers out of his career which one resulted in him winning a SB despite leading the league in interceptions....I Don't know you can argue these are all the same caliber of player at their best....but some of these guys are years removed from being at their best.

you are right , some of them currently are not at their peek anymore.
The issue is dak has never helped this team reach a CCG nor a SB in 8 years. And he threw 15 interceptions while missing 5 games last year. That is not good.

 

[CowboyFrog]

you are right , some of them currently are not at their peek anymore.
The issue is dak has never helped this team reach a CCG nor a SB in 8 years. And he threw 15 interceptions while missing 5 games last year. That is not good.

Well the SF team literally took both QB's there so are we sure its the QB's taking the team to a NFCCG? How bout Allen last year TB#12 did you not dismiss the TB win because "They sucked" does that not mean TB#12 coudlnt "Raise the Talent" to win? Again other than P Mahomes what QB is raising the team around them? Trevor looks like he may have figured some things out...is he not about to ask for insane money and may not see a CCG with a team that has had what 10 top ten picks the last 6 years something like that? Browns have THE MOST top 10 picks on thier team in the NFL and Watson couldn't win games...come on man Dak is not special but neither is anyone not named Mahomes..Maybe Burrow also.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

these QBs are far superior than dak. I cannot believe you think dak is better than Watson . Aside from the personal issues , from a pure talent perspective , dak is not even in the same category. Same for Murray. Heck we saw dak vs murray in dallas before and the game was over by half time.
When you say what has geno done or when you say geno had one good year. The question is , what has dak done in 8 years?
Last 2 years was a great chance to showcase how he can take it to the next level , great WR and OL and RB and Defense. He threw 15 interceptions while missing the 5 games !!!. How is that a good QB.

they are far superior? how, oh, ok, your opinion. not reality. just an opinion. so grapolo, who was a back up now. is far superior...got it? based on what, last year's performance? wait, there wasn't any.

I didn't say Dak is better than Watson. you did. I used your logic. you put Geno above Dak based on last year performance. right? I used that exact same exact logic....last year Dak was better than watson...
now you are taking issue with your own logic.

and you continue to contradict yourself again...you say what has dak done for 8 years? ok, what has Geno done for the past 9 years? but based on last year, Geno is better than Dak? which is it. which side of the fence are you going to choose?

btw, last year we had one great WR. average TE (Unless you think we should have kept Schultz given his greatness), average OL....tell me how that's not true? oh, yeah I forgot we signed Hilton. that made the group great.
was Zeke great? just say Zeke was great last year.

and on your last statement. you contradict your own logic again. you say last year he threw 15 interceptions. how is that great, then two sentences before, you say how about the past 8 years?

you can't even stick to your own logic, why? because there isn't any.

just say its my opinion. I can't prove it and be done with it. none of what you said made any sense given you contiuosly contradicted yourself by your own logic.

 

[basel90]

they are far superior? how, oh, ok, your opinion. not reality. just an opinion. so grapolo, who was a back up now. is far superior...got it? based on what, last year's performance? wait, there wasn't any.

I didn't say Dak is better than Watson. you did. I used your logic. you put Geno above Dak based on last year performance. right? I used that exact same exact logic....last year Dak was better than watson...
now you are taking issue with your own logic.

and you continue to contradict yourself again...you say what has dak done for 8 years? ok, what has Geno done for the past 9 years? but based on last year, Geno is better than Dak? which is it. which side of the fence are you going to choose?

btw, last year we had one great WR. average TE (Unless you think we should have kept Schultz given his greatness), average OL....tell me how that's not true? oh, yeah I forgot we signed Hilton. that made the group great.
was Zeke great? just say Zeke was great last year.

and on your last statement. you contradict your own logic again. you say last year he threw 15 interceptions. how is that great, then two sentences before, you say how about the past 8 years?

you can't even stick to your own logic, why? because there isn't any.

just say its my opinion. I can't prove it and be done with it. none of what you said made any sense given you contiuosly contradicted yourself by your own logic.

so in your logic a QB who throw 15 interceptions while also missing 5 is a 42 mil QB ? give me your opinion because these are facts that i am stating.
Many QBs come in and make a differnce and take their teams to SB and CCG . Not Dak. We have seen what mahommes , Burrows , but also saw stafford take the rams to a win in the SB. We saw hurts in his second year take the eagles to the SB. Heck , the 49ers rookie QB , and the last person drafted took them to the CCG and outplayed Dak. Too many examples . These are not opinions.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Don't disagree with much. HE hasn't shown us to be that guy yet. But you do think he showed it against the Buccaneers, no?

Well I disagree on Hurts. Ultimately, his fumble for 6 cost his team the game.

Can;t for the life of me figure out why ...some people...continue to use the 2022 Bucs as a benchmark.

"But...Brady". "But SUPER BOWL TEAM".
That team was in no way shape or form the same team. Their record shows it. If you need me to explain it to you...you shouldn't be using them in the first place. Just an easy lazy, very lazy...way to get Dak propped up.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Can;t for the life of me figure out why ...some people...continue to use the 2022 Bucs as a benchmark.

"But...Brady". "But SUPER BOWL TEAM".
That team was in no way shape or form the same team. Their record shows it. If you need me to explain it to you...you shouldn't be using them in the first place. Just an easy lazy, very lazy...way to get Dak propped up.

Did Dak play good in the TB playoff game? Again its not diferent than giving him credit for playing bad in the SF game. Take Daks name out of it and I feel the same way about any QB, there are good QB's who had bad games against TB last year but if we are talking about Dak's playoff games then you dont just throw out the ones that dont help an argument you use them all or it looks like a rigged argument.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yes, dak is not to blame for the 1997 to 2016 period . after that , is a different matter , especially the years the team had stellar OL and RB talent . or the times like the last 2 years with great Defense and very functional offense. Dak could not get it done.

Very functional offense? LOL. Where was the Oline? Where were the weapons this past year? Where was the better schemed passing routes and playcalling...or in-game adjustments?