Mike Mayock has Brandon Flowers as his #1 corner

[BrAinPaiNt]

They are? And I always thought the experts were the guys that actually scout for the nfl.

Well...I think that is debatable at times.:laugh2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Speed and quickness are so important for CBs; as well as very limber hips. After that its all in the head. I think that the evaluations made right after the college season are more straightforward; now people start to factor in pro days and the combine and lose sight of the fact that game film tells more of the tale then all the others.

Sometimes I think there is a legit reason to weigh the combine along with the tale of the tape.

I think is not the norm but there are times when you have to judge a players speed because you just don't know how he will do vs top talent if he played at a smaller school or against some competition that is not great.

We have seen many good corners that play great in college but the speed of the nfl just blows them away.

Of course the opposite is even more telling IMO. If a guy has pure speed to burn but does not have the instincts or abilities ...scouts will put too much import on their combine numbers. I think that happens more than the other way around.

But...there are times where I think looking at the combine numbers of some players are a legit thing that can help.

 

[JPM]

All the draft guru's will be adjusting their rankings after the scouting combine and team pro days. Once we get into April, I'll start taking some of them a little more seriously. Until then, everything is still pretty fluid.

So true, we'll see a bunch of movement after the combine/pro days.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

I think Flowers is a really good corner who on the next level could be a star in this league. His tackling ability and instincts puts him ahead of guys like Porter, Jackson, Godfrey. but I wouldn't put him ahead of Cromartie, Jenkins, Talb or McKelvin just yet.

 

[burmafrd]

Flowers played with VT against serious competition; that should be the marker against which he is judged. ALL too many put too much emphasis on the combine; it is a valid operation but too much importance is placed on what guys do in shorts and track shoes.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Flowers played with VT against serious competition; that should be the marker against which he is judged. ALL too many put too much emphasis on the combine; it is a valid operation but too much importance is placed on what guys do in shorts and track shoes.

I think the one thing that the combine does that is hard to argue against is the idea of the medical exams.

I also find it amazing how the results are kept so quiet for the most part.

We see someone drop every year and most don't have a clue why until we find out later that their were some red flag medical issues at the combine.

Once again, that does not always work, but the combine does serve it's purpose...it is the scouts, gms and owners that ultimately should be accountable after that.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I've never watched Flowers, but isn't his speed and quickness in question? I'd ask people to think about when a corner with questions like that was ever the best corner in his class. Most often, those guys end up like Antrelle Rolle.

In this league, you almost have to have truly great -- not good -- athleticism to excel at corner.

 

[PullMyFinger]

ROTFL

I see SOME people didnt watch a VA Tech game this year.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

In 2007 6 CB's were taken in Rounds 1 and 2 which was down drastically from prior years.

2006-9
2005-13

With the depth and talent of this years class compared to the 2007 and 2006 class it's very likely as many as 10-13 corners could be taken in the first 2 rounds and Flowers is with out a doubt in the top 13 corners.

As far as Mayocks rankings, he is not the only "expert" that has him rated that high.

Russ Lande for the previous three years, was a college scout for the Cleveland Browns; covering the mid-west region while evaluating all eligible prospects for the NFL Draft. He also covered all-star games, the NFL Combine and pro days. He ranks Flowers 3rd among CB's behind Jenkins and McKelvin.

Frantzy Jourdain who worked 6 years as a talent scout for the Patriots and now works as a independant scout ranks Flowers 2nd behind Jenkins.

Gary Horton is a fromer Cleveland Browns scout and not assists for TSN ranks Flowers 4th among CB's.

It doesn't matter where all these guys have him ranked, the only expert that counts is our very own, thegoat, I mean theogt.

If he says that Flowers is a 3rd rounder, then that's the end of the argument.

Don't bother with Kiper or Mayock, or even Goose...........if you want the real scoop, just come to this board and ask thegoat. He will set you straight.

 

[CPonder14]

Flowers is the best pure cover corner in the draft. he has great hips and has enough speed and quicks to stay with his man. he is also physical.

 

[VThokie7]

ROTFL

I see SOME people didnt watch a VA Tech game this year.

I'm with you, there is no way anybody that says he is a third round prospect at best has watched his line of work. Brandon Flowers is a very good corner and has played and shutdown some very good competition. Not to mention the fact he hits like a safety and isn't afraid of contact at all. He may not be the best corner in the draft this year, I wouldn't know for sure because I didn't see all of the other guys tapes; however, i'd guarantee nobody else here has either.

 

[theogt]

I'm with you, there is no way anybody that says he is a third round prospect at best has watched his line of work. Brandon Flowers is a very good corner and has played and shutdown some very good competition. Not to mention the fact he hits like a safety and isn't afraid of contact at all. He may not be the best corner in the draft this year, I wouldn't know for sure because I didn't see all of the other guys tapes; however, i'd guarantee nobody else here has either.

You may think he's a first round talent, but the bottom line is that there are 8-10 better corners in this draft and it pushes him down pretty far.

 

[theogt]

It doesn't matter where all these guys have him ranked, the only expert that counts is our very own, thegoat, I mean theogt.

If he says that Flowers is a 3rd rounder, then that's the end of the argument.

Don't bother with Kiper or Mayock, or even Goose...........if you want the real scoop, just come to this board and ask thegoat. He will set you straight.

Unless of course Mrs cowboy tells us he's a first round pick, then he must be a first round pick.

Nope. It's not clever when I do it either.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'd take Mike Jenkins from Univ of South Florida, he's a stud... He can cover the slot just as well as the outside!

 

[BourbonBalz]

For what it's worth, I've been hearing a lot of good things about Flowers lately. Personally, I know very little about him, but many of the so-called experts like him quite a bit.

 

[SDogo]

You may think he's a first round talent, but the bottom line is that there are 8-10 better corners in this draft and it pushes him down pretty far.

Bottom line is that it's YOUR opinion there are 8-10 better corners and your opinion is not the bottom line. There are 8-100 experts out there that get paid 10x your yearly earning making a living evaluating talent that disagree with you, that pushes you down pretty far.

 

[masomenos]

Originally Flowers was given a 2nd round grade by the NFL Advisory Committee. I think he probably has been underrated up to this point, but I'm not ready to say he's the best CB in the draft. I'd take him before guys like Porter, Thomas, and Jackson, and probably Talib. So I guess he ranks around 6th for me right now. If he runs a 40 in the 4.3s, as he supposedly can, then he's going to be a lock for the first round.

 

[theogt]

Bottom line is that it's YOUR opinion there are 8-10 better corners and your opinion is not the bottom line. There are 8-100 experts out there that get paid 10x your yearly earning making a living evaluating talent that disagree with you, that pushes you down pretty far.

Name one.

 

[masomenos]

Name one.

I dunno but you'd have to make about 10,000 dollars to have any of the analysts make 10 times as much as you. Somehow I imagine you're a little better off than that.

 

[theogt]

I dunno but you'd have to make about 10,000 dollars to have any of the analysts make 10 times as much as you. Somehow I imagine you're a little better off than that.

Just a little.