Mike McCarthy or Kellen Moore in 2025?

[thunderpimp91]

Last year Kellen's offensive talent with the Chargers was WHO? Their receivers all got hurt and Herbert missed 1/3 of the season. That...and they had one good o-lineman.

That's the whole point though. He didn't have great players all year and his offense wasn't very good either. Similar for McCarthy this year where his QB missed half the year, one WR to go to. Starting TE has missed time and OL hasnt been very good. Go back a year ago when the Cowboys had a top offense in the league and the roster had them in a better situation. Offenses that have good talent will typically be the better units in the league, offenses without talent finish lower in the rankings. I'm not saying coaching doesn't matter, but at the NFL level I'm not sure the coaching gap is all that much for 80% of these guys. Especially from a schematic standpoint teams are running mostly the same play concepts.

 

[thunderpimp91]

If there is one thing that Jerry is NOT...it's cheap. He would spend any amount of money to make the Cowboys a winner. The Cowboys are a bigger toy for him than his yacht, staaadyum, and some select members of his family.

JJ's vanity is heavily connected to this team at this point. No cap and he'd go wild on players.

He'd spend big on staff too provided of course...he has the control and the spotlight and gets credit. That rules out, of course, many of the top coaches.

In the end we agree that Jerry wont' spend big on a coach. But it dang sure ain't 'cuz he's cheap or doesn't want his toy team to succeed!

I'm not sure if he is cheap or just doesn't have access to cash the same way that other owners around the league do, but the Cowboys have clearly fallen behind most of the league from a spending standpoint, and have been operating like a smaller market organization for years now. The Cowboys continue to manipulate the cap numbers to make it appear that they can't sign players while we see other teams overcome these same obstacles. So while it may not truly be an issue of being cheap I highly doubt the Cowboys would go wild in spending if there was no cap. I suspect the funding rule is more of an issue for the Cowboys than what they would make it appear. You have other teams like Philly/Miami who are selling minority stakes of the team in order to keep up as their teams spend at high levels. I would expect that we see other teams do this moving forward as well. I'd love to see Jerry do the same, and there were some rumblings last offseason about Jerry selling and maybe this is what those reports were referencing. We can hope.

 

[Ussdelavan]

Big Kellen fan. Why would anyone want to coach under the worst GM/Owner in professional sports. 30 years of coaches have not been close To winning a Super Bowl.

 

[quickccc]

Last year Kellen's offensive talent with the Chargers was WHO? Their receivers all got hurt and Herbert missed 1/3 of the season. That...and they had one good o-lineman.

Oddly, it still seems like quite the same with Hebert and the offense ..

do they have a dynamic RB ? .. WR ? ... or TE in that Harbaugh offense ?

 

[plasticman]

I will admit, Moore has grown up quite a lot. He is no longer Jason Garrett 2.0.

I don't know where he picked it up but he is actually pro-running game now. Jalen Hurts isn't passing 40 times a game.

 

[Chuck 54]

If I had to choose, I’d take McCarthy over Moore 100%.
People forget just how bad Moore was. Yes, sometimes the pass game was great…back when we had Cooper and Lamb, but when we had receivers like this year, it was awful. He wouldn’t run the ball, and he loved those reverses from inside the 5. Philly has his stanch all over their offense, despite having stars at every position and a great OL. Hurts has taken a step back because he can’t adjust to the timing required when three guys all run hitches….lol.

I just cannot even imagine him calling the offense and managing the game as head coach.

 

[Chuck 54]

Oddly, it still seems like quite the same with Hebert and the offense ..

do they have a dynamic RB ? .. WR ? ... or TE in that Harbaugh offense ?

People expect Dak and Cooper to run our offense to the playoffs with no wide receivers or consistent run game.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

of those 2...mccarthy.
i'd like to think we could get better.
but with this gm...better ain't coming here.

+1

 

[fairviewfarmer]

If I had to choose, I’d take McCarthy over Moore 100%.
People forget just how bad Moore was. Yes, sometimes the pass game was great…back when we had Cooper and Lamb, but when we had receivers like this year, it was awful. He wouldn’t run the ball, and he loved those reverses from inside the 5. Philly has his stanch all over their offense, despite having stars at every position and a great OL. Hurts has taken a step back because he can’t adjust to the timing required when three guys all run hitches….lol.

I just cannot even imagine him calling the offense and managing the game as head coach.

+1

 

[Praxit]

..none, lets get fresh face in here. ; )..

 

[kskboys]

I will admit, Moore has grown up quite a lot. He is no longer Jason Garrett 2.0.

I don't know where he picked it up but he is actually pro-running game now. Jalen Hurts isn't passing 40 times a game.

Well, Hurts is not a great passer, might have something to do w/ it. Hard to say.

However, I was going to say the same thing. If Mo has truly learned how to run the ball, then maybe so.

 

[quickccc]

I'm not sure if he is cheap or just doesn't have access to cash the same way that other owners around the league do, but the Cowboys have clearly fallen behind most of the league from a spending standpoint, and have been operating like a smaller market organization for years now. The Cowboys continue to manipulate the cap numbers to make it appear that they can't sign players while we see other teams overcome these same obstacles. So while it may not truly be an issue of being cheap I highly doubt the Cowboys would go wild in spending if there was no cap. I suspect the funding rule is more of an issue for the Cowboys than what they would make it appear. You have other teams like Philly/Miami who are selling minority stakes of the team in order to keep up as their teams spend at high levels. I would expect that we see other teams do this moving forward as well. I'd love to see Jerry do the same, and there were some rumblings last offseason about Jerry selling and maybe this is what those reports were referencing. We can hope.

Jones in this era, just strike me as very conservative BY nature. Competitive thru conservatism. The Jones just seem to have their own philosophy
in how they want to pursue player personnel additions. (ala MoneyBall approach)

I don't think its a matter of not having cap money- cap strapped, as several have already said, even the better playoff contending teams find ways to
manipulate the cap to bolster their roster to compete for SBs.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

Don't want to be first ever Kellen HC experiment, I keep the fat man.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Pretty obvious MM and Zimmer will get another shot.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

ill take MM over KM any day

 

[Buzzbait]

MM over KM!!! Not even a contest.

 

[Deionindahood]

Sans a Super Bowl appearance, unlikely this season (no disrespect to the Eagles’ season), Moore will not be getting offers to become a head coach in the NFL, yet.

A OC who takes the team to the 2nd seed in his first year with the Eagles won't get any HC offers? Are you joking?

 

[Londonboy]

Neither, We should get Aden Durde.
Everything sounds better in an English accent.

 

[conner01]

If there is one thing that Jerry is NOT...it's cheap. He would spend any amount of money to make the Cowboys a winner. The Cowboys are a bigger toy for him than his yacht, staaadyum, and some select members of his family.

JJ's vanity is heavily connected to this team at this point. No cap and he'd go wild on players.

He'd spend big on staff too provided of course...he has the control and the spotlight and gets credit. That rules out, of course, many of the top coaches.

In the end we agree that Jerry wont' spend big on a coach. But it dang sure ain't 'cuz he's cheap or doesn't want his toy team to succeed!

We spend less than any team

 

[gimmesix]

Simple question. We which one would you give a 4 year contract to ?

If those were my only choices, I'd go with Moore. Not that I think he's a better coach than McCarthy, but rather because I don't believe in doing the same thing and expecting different results. McCarthy has had his turn and couldn't get it done. Moore likely won't be able to either, because the front office is still the same. I'd just rather we give someone different a chance.