Mike Shanahan: RGIII Told Me Which Plays Were "Unacceptable"

[CashMan]

The funny thing is that you admit that he looked like a good player his rookie year.

Now sure you can argue about the injury thing and say that the HC should have stopped him from playing.

HOWEVER what you are missing from the whole thing is this.

RGIII did good his rookie year because he was running a read option offense. When they drafted him they decided to run that offense to cater to his abilities and strengths.

RGIII turned around and started telling the HC that he no longer wanted to be a read option QB. He told the coach he wanted to be a drop back passing QB. He got mad when they catered the offense to Cousins to be more of a drop back QB system and still wanted RGIII to run the read option.

When RGIII started telling the HC which plays were acceptable and unacceptable with language that indicated he has the backing of the owner...he did it so he was doing a drop back passing QB.

He was not the same QB going forward because he was wanting to play in a different system. It was not that he could not run, he did not WANT to run.

So sure anyone can argue that Shanny was an idiot for letting him play injured...however it does not take away from the gist of the article that says RGIII was trying to dictate to the HC which plays were acceptable and unacceptable and the idea that he no longer wanted to play in a system that catered to his strengths but go to a system that he would struggle in for some time.

I fully understand what he did, but if you look around, is that read option really working? Perhaps he said, I should be a drop back passer.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I fully understand what he did, but if you look around, is that read option really working? Perhaps he said, I should be a drop back passer.

It worked for him in his rookie year. He and Alred Morris speared a killer running attack for that team and RGIII had a great TD to INT ratio.

Since he has told them he wants to be a drop back passer...not so much.

 

[CashMan]

It worked for him in his rookie year. He and Alred Morris speared a killer running attack for that team and RGIII had a great TD to INT ratio.

Since he has told them he wants to be a drop back passer...not so much.

Right, but I think there were a few factors:

He was injured
Possible sophomore slump
Teams having tape on him

But perhaps he is not good, I've read he does not put in time preparing.

He is 25, I do not think with teams drafting Weeden at like age 29, and players like Tebow in the 1st rd, you give up on him.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Right, but I think there were a few factors:

He was injured
Possible sophomore slump
Teams having tape on him

But perhaps he is not good, I've read he does not put in time preparing.

He is 25, I do not think with teams drafting Weeden at like age 29, and players like Tebow in the 1st rd, you give up on him.

Whether he was good or not, whether he was injured or not, whether he was having a sophmore slump or not...he was wanting to gravitate away from what got him drafted in the first place and the offense in which they catered to his strengths.

It would be like Drew Bledsoe going up to Bill Parcells as a young QB and telling him...some of these plays where I am standing in the pocket scanning the field are unacceptable...What is acceptable is more plays where I bootleg out to throw or I thrown more on the run.

EVEN if you argue that hey...maybe they should be training him more as a drop back QB because the spread option is not working in the NFL...the idea of a second year QB going to an established HC and telling him what is acceptable and unacceptable is crazy.

 

[CashMan]

Whether he was good or not, whether he was injured or not, whether he was having a sophmore slump or not...he was wanting to gravitate away from what got him drafted in the first place and the offense in which they catered to his strengths.

It would be like Drew Bledsoe going up to Bill Parcells as a young QB and telling him...some of these plays where I am standing in the pocket scanning the field are unacceptable...What is acceptable is more plays where I bootleg out to throw or I thrown more on the run.

EVEN if you argue that hey...maybe they should be training him more as a drop back QB because the spread option is not working in the NFL...the idea of a second year QB going to an established HC and telling him what is acceptable and unacceptable is crazy.

I disagree, and you saw this in Dallas with Parcells, he wanted game managers. What QB did Shanny develop?Pplease give me a list after Elway.

Did he have balls to do this, yes. But, if he is suppose to run the Offense, and didn't want to run a College offense, what is the problem? The option is a gimmick, and it was a matter of time before it was caught up to. Just like that 2 RB play teams were using a few years ago, where Dallas had MB3 and Jones in the backfield.

Comparing a QB who literally can not move, to RG3 is ridiculous. If you compared Romo when he was younger to RG3 wanting to run more, that is more believable.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I disagree, and you saw this in Dallas with Parcells, he wanted game managers. What QB did Shanny develop?Pplease give me a list after Elway.

Did he have balls to do this, yes. But, if he is suppose to run the Offense, and didn't want to run a College offense, what is the problem? The option is a gimmick, and it was a matter of time before it was caught up to. Just like that 2 RB play teams were using a few years ago, where Dallas had MB3 and Jones in the backfield.

Comparing a QB who literally can not move, to RG3 is ridiculous. If you compared Romo when he was younger to RG3 wanting to run more, that is more believable.

Shakes head.

The comparison is taking a PURE pocket passer and acting like he can dictate to a superbowl winning head coach what is and is not acceptable in wanting to change to something that goes directly against his strengths and abilities.

This is what RGIII was doing. He was telling a superbowl winning HC that he wants to go away from what got him the heisman, what got him drafted high in the first round to something that is not his strength.

Comparing Romo to the situation would have been idiotic because Romo was always able to move around. His moving around early in his career was a strength to the team when the Oline could not pass block.

But carry on.

 

[CashMan]

Shakes head.

The comparison is taking a PURE pocket passer and acting like he can dictate to a superbowl winning head coach what is and is not acceptable in wanting to change to something that goes directly against his strengths and abilities.

This is what RGIII was doing. He was telling a superbowl winning HC that he wants to go away from what got him the heisman, what got him drafted high in the first round to something that is not his strength.

Comparing Romo to the situation would have been idiotic because Romo was always able to move around. His moving around early in his career was a strength to the team when the Oline could not pass block.

But carry on.

He is 25, and you are acting like he is Tebow, who can not throw. Shake your head all you want. Who cares if Shanny won SBs, so did Jimmy, and he could not replicate it in Miami. I could give you a list of HCs who were lucky to be HCs on certain teams that won SBs, who sucked.

Switzer
Seifer
Holmgren

Please give me that list of QBs he developed to show he knows how to develop RG3.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

He is 25, and you are acting like he is Tebow, who can not throw. Shake your head all you want. Who cares if Shanny won SBs, so did Jimmy, and he could not replicate it in Miami. I could give you a list of HCs who were lucky to be HCs on certain teams that won SBs, who sucked.

Switzer
Seifer
Holmgren

Please give me that list of QBs he developed to show he knows how to develop RG3.

I don't care if only Developed one QB or 5,000 QBs...You don't go as a second year player and tell a Superbowl winning coach which plays are and are not acceptable. I really don't know how you can argue this unless you have some crazy arse shanny hate that blinds you to what should be clear as a bell to see.

There would be nothing wrong with a QB asking if they could try these plays over those plays more and most coaches would go with that...not going into a meeting telling your boss...hey this is acceptable and this is unacceptable.

As far as him being able to throw vs not being able to throw. He can throw great and has a great TD to INT ratio and QB rating...when he is running a read option system like when he was at baylor and his rookie year.

When he moved over to being a pure pocket passer and getting what he wanted...his numbers dropped considerably.

 

[CashMan]

I don't care if only Developed one QB or 5,000 QBs...You don't go as a second year player and tell a Superbowl winning coach which plays are and are not acceptable. I really don't know how you can argue this unless you have some crazy arse shanny hate that blinds you to what should be clear as a bell to see.

There would be nothing wrong with a QB asking if they could try these plays over those plays more and most coaches would go with that...not going into a meeting telling your boss...hey this is acceptable and this is unacceptable.

As far as him being able to throw vs not being able to throw. He can throw great and has a great TD to INT ratio and QB rating...when he is running a read option system like when he was at baylor and his rookie year.

When he moved over to being a pure pocket passer and getting what he wanted...his numbers dropped considerably.

So, he shouldn't question a HC, who has never developed a QB, to develope him with an offense catered to a college style that is a gimmick in the NFL? I am soo sorry for being wrong, you are right.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So, he shouldn't question a HC, who has never developed a QB, to develope him with an offense catered to a college style that is a gimmick in the NFL? I am soo sorry for being wrong, you are right.

Please tell me where I said he can not or should not question someone?

Please...if not...stop.

I said he should not go in and tell the HC what is and what is not acceptable.

Big Difference.

 

[CashMan]

Please tell me where I said he can not or should not question someone?

Please...if not...stop.

I said he should not go in and tell the HC what is and what is not acceptable.

Big Difference.

If someone is developing me, or mentoring me, I would want to see example of them succeeding at that. If I am RG3, and I look at Shanny, who was unsuccessful after Elway left or even developing them while Elway was there, I 100% would say I want to be a pocket QB. I think Gruden is a bigger idiot than Shanny. If RG3 is to be successful, it will not be with him or it might be in another City.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I think the lesson here is you let coaches coach & players play.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If someone is developing me, or mentoring me, I would want to see example of them succeeding at that. If I am RG3, and I look at Shanny, who was unsuccessful after Elway left or even developing them while Elway was there, I 100% would say I want to be a pocket QB. I think Gruden is a bigger idiot than Shanny. If RG3 is to be successful, it will not be with him or it might be in another City.

I am done with this conversation as it is clear you are aguing with someone else and not what I am talking about. I don't know who the heck you are arguing with because you are not taking on the points I am talking about and you are acting as if I am saying stuff I am not saying.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think the lesson here is you let coaches coach & players play.

Or...learn how to read.

 

[CashMan]

Or...learn how to read.

Thanks for the dig.


I read every post, and you regurgitated the same thing: SB coach. And when I asked a simple question, which you wouldn't give me 1 person as to developing, you just kept saying he was a SB winning coach. IMO, that means nothing, when you have a QB who needs developing. If the guy who signs his checks, is telling him to go talk to the coach, you can not fault him.


RG3, has played 3yrs in the league, getting hurt at the end of his 1st.Some of his numbers went down, in his 2nd year, but he might of been dealing with that injury still. And his 3rd year, he got hurt. I think he is an NFL QB. Who is developing.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Or...learn how to read.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

It's AWESOME to read about the mess that the Commanders are.

Players going to coaches telling them how to coach. The owner involved in everything (that one I totally get but I think maybe Stephen has his daddy under some control finally).

A new coach who probably has no clue how to deal with all this.

Awesome.

And if the Cowboys lose to these goofs again next year they need to run laps till they all drop.

 

[Jenky]

Well when Dan Snyder fantasizes and salivates over his jockstrap, then it begins to make sense.

He gives preferential treatment for certain players.

Which is why we HATE him.

Even Joe Gibbs was only able to get us to the playoffs 2 of 4 season with Danny Boy as owner.

Griffin is in bed with Snyder. I'm pretty sure Shanahan DID NOT want to play him in that playoff game against Seattle. The QB and owner colluded and got their way. I'm sure you live in the D.C. area and hear talks of Griffin being a "me" player quite frequently.

 

[Jenky]

Thanks for the dig.


I read every post, and you regurgitated the same thing: SB coach. And when I asked a simple question, which you wouldn't give me 1 person as to developing, you just kept saying he was a SB winning coach. IMO, that means nothing, when you have a QB who needs developing. If the guy who signs his checks, is telling him to go talk to the coach, you can not fault him.


RG3, has played 3yrs in the league, getting hurt at the end of his 1st.Some of his numbers went down, in his 2nd year, but he might of been dealing with that injury still. And his 3rd year, he got hurt. I think he is an NFL QB. Who is developing.

If by developing you mean regressing, then you are probably right.

 

[Stryker44]

Griffin is in bed with Snyder. I'm pretty sure Shanahan DID NOT want to play him in that playoff game against Seattle. The QB and owner colluded and got their way. I'm sure you live in the D.C. area and hear talks of Griffin being a "me" player quite frequently.

That's what I'm saying. I seriously think he's a cuckold for Griffin III and Tanya Snyder. He has his sweet boys that he favors over all others.