Mike Shanahan: RGIII Told Me Which Plays Were "Unacceptable"

[CowboyChris]

not a RGIII fan, but could it be possible that Griffin approached the coaches and made some suggestions? what works well for him and what doesnt? Shanahan could be fudging it up a little...saying RGIII demanded they run this and not run that. etc etc

 

[BAZ]

not a RGIII fan, but could it be possible that Griffin approached the coaches and made some suggestions? what works well for him and what doesnt? Shanahan could be fudging it up a little...saying RGIII demanded they run this and not run that. etc etc

A suggestion doesn't cover "unacceptable" and his point was that's a Snyder word. People undervalue the relationship between a coach and QB, but Griffin just telling what's not going to fly fits in with his character. Remember when he launched his logo? Good times.

 

[Rogah]

I'm only guessing Coach Shanahan is glad to be out of that mess. RG3 has turned out to be a wasted draft pick.

I am starting to feel bad for Shanahan.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I am starting to feel bad for Shanahan.

I always thought he was a good coach. I'm sure he's glad to be away from the Commander mess.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The funny thing is that you admit that he looked like a good player his rookie year.

Now sure you can argue about the injury thing and say that the HC should have stopped him from playing.

HOWEVER what you are missing from the whole thing is this.

RGIII did good his rookie year because he was running a read option offense. When they drafted him they decided to run that offense to cater to his abilities and strengths.

RGIII turned around and started telling the HC that he no longer wanted to be a read option QB. He told the coach he wanted to be a drop back passing QB. He got mad when they catered the offense to Cousins to be more of a drop back QB system and still wanted RGIII to run the read option.

When RGIII started telling the HC which plays were acceptable and unacceptable with language that indicated he has the backing of the owner...he did it so he was doing a drop back passing QB.

He was not the same QB going forward because he was wanting to play in a different system. It was not that he could not run, he did not WANT to run.

So sure anyone can argue that Shanny was an idiot for letting him play injured...however it does not take away from the gist of the article that says RGIII was trying to dictate to the HC which plays were acceptable and unacceptable and the idea that he no longer wanted to play in a system that catered to his strengths but go to a system that he would struggle in for some time.

Excellent points,... AND it was his first year. A mystery to most opposing coaches. Even now when they try to cater to "his original offense".... It's ineffective!

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I think the new Niners place is pretty.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Excuse previous post.

Wrong thread!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

not a RGIII fan, but could it be possible that Griffin approached the coaches and made some suggestions? what works well for him and what doesnt? Shanahan could be fudging it up a little...saying RGIII demanded they run this and not run that. etc etc

Well. uh, no.

A suggestion doesn't cover "unacceptable" and his point was that's a Snyder word. People undervalue the relationship between a coach and QB, but Griffin just telling what's not going to fly fits in with his character. Remember when he launched his logo? Good times.

This. Completely.

 

[jrumann59]

Shanny was the QB coach under Reeves during the 80's, OC with the 49ers under Siefert. Some would say he got the most out of Cutler before Cutler went "crazy". He has a record of developing QBs whether in Denver, SF, or Denver again.

 

[Longboysfan]

Amazing.

They gave up THREE 1st rounders and a 2nd for him.

And this is something we should be bothered with?
Or

 

[Rockport]

Love seeing the Commanders fans having such dysfunctional leadership. That team is going no where fast.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

BrainPit wins the thread

Griffin wasn't ready to be a full time pocket passer in 2013, which is fine. I certainly wasn't expecting him to be and didn't understand why you were turning the porsche into a ford. The scheme was excellent in 2012 and damn near unstoppable, which is the baffling aspect of all of this. I think I even posted in 2012 on this board that I didn't want Griffin to be a stand in the pocket scan the field QB, that utilizing the read option made him a much better player. Which again is perfectly fine, his game isn't/wasn't to be Tom Brady and it would take him years to get to the point of being able to function in the pocket properly. Which is why his running ability was so key to his success and continued success

In the end 2013 fell apart because Shanahan wasn't willing to be a leader (nothing was his fault despite having contractual full control) Griffin's ego blowing up and Dan Snyder having a hard on for the shiny new QB.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

I am starting to feel bad for Shanahan.

I don't. Not making excuses for Griffin, but Shanny did a fair bit of lying in that interview and somehow nothing in his tenure while in charge was ever his fault. He never takes accountability.

 

[CowboyChris]

I don't. Not making excuses for Griffin, but Shanny did a fair bit of lying in that interview and somehow nothing in his tenure while in charge was ever his fault. He never takes accountability.

thats what i said, and my comments got quickly shot down. I dont believe everything Shanny said.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

thats what i said, and my comments got quickly shot down. I dont believe everything Shanny said.

People around here, as well as ES, are quick to believe anyone that is blaming Snyder for something. Often times it's warranted. But not from Mike Shanahan, the guy has never taken accountability for anything. Somehow, all of the bad decisions were someone else's idea, when he contractually demanded he have full control (how does that work?), and all the hindsight decisions he would've done. Yeah, right.

From that interview, this is what I believe he was truthful about:
- Griffin demanding certain plays not be run anymore.
- Griffin was upset they ran different plays for Cousins than they did for him.
- They would've never traded for Griffin if they knew they would get hit with the cap penalty.

That's it. Everything else was ********. He says he wanted Marc Bulger(who wouldn't have survived considering his injury history behind our terrible OL anyway), but was convinced to make the trade for McNabb. He blames Bruce Allen for that, when he had full control of personnel. On the McNabb benching in Detroit, he claims a completely new reason( his third so far!) on why McNabb was benched in the last two minutes for Grossman.

He has told multiple stories about what Dr.Andrews has told him about Griffin's injuries. He also has told at least three different stories about what Griffin told him against Seattle. Somehow I guess he's never heard Kirk Cousins' accounting that sounded the most reasonable. Cousins says Shanny knew Griffin was injured by the third quarter at the latest, but Griffin convinced him he should "finish the fight" and Shanny let him go back out there on an obviously injured knee. Shanny knows this version of the story makes him look the worse, so he continues to claim Griffin never admitted he was injured and Dr. Andrews never told him he couldn't play.

Absent in this fluff interview by Kevin Sheehan( who is an obvious Shanny supporter in this area), are any questions about Shanny staking his reputation on being able to get productivity out of Rex Grossman and John Beck. Neither are there any questions on his poor drafting, poor free agent signings, hiring of Jim Haslett, hiring incompetent and unqualified friends of his son to be assistant coaches, changing a Top 10 4-3 defense into a bottom tier 3-4 mess, and generally being a petty ******* who alienated coaches and players alike.

Nah, everything is Snyder's fault.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

People around here, as well as ES, are quick to believe anyone that is blaming Snyder for something. Often times it's warranted. But not from Mike Shanahan, the guy has never taken accountability for anything. Somehow, all of the bad decisions were someone else's idea, when he contractually demanded he have full control (how does that work?), and all the hindsight decisions he would've done. Yeah, right.

From that interview, this is what I believe he was truthful about:
- Griffin demanding certain plays not be run anymore.
- Griffin was upset they ran different plays for Cousins than they did for him.
- They would've never traded for Griffin if they knew they would get hit with the cap penalty.

That's it. Everything else was bull****. He says he wanted Marc Bulger(who wouldn't have survived considering his injury history behind our terrible OL anyway), but was convinced to make the trade for McNabb. He blames Bruce Allen for that, when he had full control of personnel. On the McNabb benching in Detroit, he claims a completely new reason( his third so far!) on why McNabb was benched in the last two minutes for Grossman.

He has told multiple stories about what Dr.Andrews has told him about Griffin's injuries. He also has told at least three different stories about what Griffin told him against Seattle. Somehow I guess he's never heard Kirk Cousins' accounting that sounded the most reasonable. Cousins says Shanny knew Griffin was injured by the third quarter at the latest, but Griffin convinced him he should "finish the fight" and Shanny let him go back out there on an obviously injured knee. Shanny knows this version of the story makes him look the worse, so he continues to claim Griffin never admitted he was injured and Dr. Andrews never told him he couldn't play.

Absent in this fluff interview by Kevin Sheehan( who is an obvious Shanny supporter in this area), are any questions about Shanny staking his reputation on being able to get productivity out of Rex Grossman and John Beck. Neither are there any questions on his poor drafting, poor free agent signings, hiring of Jim Haslett, hiring incompetent and unqualified friends of his son to be assistant coaches, changing a Top 10 4-3 defense into a bottom tier 3-4 mess, and generally being a petty ******* who alienated coaches and players alike.

Nah, everything is Snyder's fault.

Way too much information. I prefer to just blame RG3 & be done with it.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

BrainPit wins the thread

Griffin wasn't ready to be a full time pocket passer in 2013, which is fine. I certainly wasn't expecting him to be and didn't understand why you were turning the porsche into a ford. The scheme was excellent in 2012 and damn near unstoppable, which is the baffling aspect of all of this. I think I even posted in 2012 on this board that I didn't want Griffin to be a stand in the pocket scan the field QB, that utilizing the read option made him a much better player. Which again is perfectly fine, his game isn't/wasn't to be Tom Brady and it would take him years to get to the point of being able to function in the pocket properly. Which is why his running ability was so key to his success and continued success

In the end 2013 fell apart because Shanahan wasn't willing to be a leader (nothing was his fault despite having contractual full control) Griffin's ego blowing up and Dan Snyder having a hard on for the shiny new QB.

Doesn't matter the year... 2012, 13.... 2015... 2016.... He will never be a picket passer. Right now he is having trouble being a "passer"

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

People around here, as well as ES, are quick to believe anyone that is blaming Snyder for something. Often times it's warranted. But not from Mike Shanahan, the guy has never taken accountability for anything. Somehow, all of the bad decisions were someone else's idea, when he contractually demanded he have full control (how does that work?), and all the hindsight decisions he would've done. Yeah, right.

From that interview, this is what I believe he was truthful about:
- Griffin demanding certain plays not be run anymore.
- Griffin was upset they ran different plays for Cousins than they did for him.
- They would've never traded for Griffin if they knew they would get hit with the cap penalty.

That's it. Everything else was bull****. He says he wanted Marc Bulger(who wouldn't have survived considering his injury history behind our terrible OL anyway), but was convinced to make the trade for McNabb. He blames Bruce Allen for that, when he had full control of personnel. On the McNabb benching in Detroit, he claims a completely new reason( his third so far!) on why McNabb was benched in the last two minutes for Grossman.

He has told multiple stories about what Dr.Andrews has told him about Griffin's injuries. He also has told at least three different stories about what Griffin told him against Seattle. Somehow I guess he's never heard Kirk Cousins' accounting that sounded the most reasonable. Cousins says Shanny knew Griffin was injured by the third quarter at the latest, but Griffin convinced him he should "finish the fight" and Shanny let him go back out there on an obviously injured knee. Shanny knows this version of the story makes him look the worse, so he continues to claim Griffin never admitted he was injured and Dr. Andrews never told him he couldn't play.

Absent in this fluff interview by Kevin Sheehan( who is an obvious Shanny supporter in this area), are any questions about Shanny staking his reputation on being able to get productivity out of Rex Grossman and John Beck. Neither are there any questions on his poor drafting, poor free agent signings, hiring of Jim Haslett, hiring incompetent and unqualified friends of his son to be assistant coaches, changing a Top 10 4-3 defense into a bottom tier 3-4 mess, and generally being a petty ******* who alienated coaches and players alike.

Nah, everything is Snyder's fault.

All of this is because of the dysfunction that starts with Danny Boy. Im not defending rat face at all, but the whole thing in Ole DC is a mess and its all on Danny Boy ultimately.